Posted by TiredofChemicals on May 30, 2012, at 23:28:57
In reply to Re: Did you know this about klonopin?, posted by Novelagent on May 24, 2012, at 7:42:10
> A body builder -would- think a rat is a mini person, and pretend they can draw immediate conclusions and simply assume things from it.
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> It reminds me of how people reading memantine studies that say it causes "reverse tolerance," not know the phenomonenon of reverse tolerance in the context of amphetamine use, and thinks it reads "reverses tolerance." These people then conclude from studies they can't read basic terms from that it "reverses" tolerance, and take it thinking tolerance will go away (tolerance that typically exists mainly in their head).
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> And that's relatively educated people. Imagine what absurd translations occur in the minds of a bodybuilder! Trying to extrapolate from rat studies! These people can't even spell extrapolate, or understand how everything with animals requires all sorts of creative, loose assumptions dependent on one another in a chance of creative hunches that could very well be sh*t. And that's assuming they're mini, fuzzy humans with similar results-- which they're not.
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> People forget that mental illness is usually self-reported-- having forced swim tests, etc. are just creative hunches. I had a psychopharmacology professor always doing studes in rats using GABAergic drugs like Gabitril to treat cocaine addiction in rats.
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> Here's why it would work: rats push levers when they're bored, and when you make them less agitated and not care, they're less likely to press the lever that increases their dose. That DOESN'T mean Gabitril is going to treat a coke addict. They've cured rats all the time of cocaine addiction because of this. Give a cokehead a Valium, and they will not care, but they'll still do coke. Bodybuilders aren't going to figure this out if a psychopharmacology professor hasn't yet.
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> > There is some evidence out there pointing to it being correct.
> > This is in rats though.
> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1326109
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> > > an opinion is not a fact. Meatheads do not go to psychopharmacology classes, and are the last people to trust on scientific matters. They're all full of it. They also think anything under the sun enhances libido or causes muscle. We like to have a little more critical skepticism on this board, and do not post heresy and conjecture.
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> > > They just make stuff up. It's easier for meatheads to make stuff up than to read studies. They're not readers.
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> > > > Two facts i found out about the drug and can be verified with a simple google search are,
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> > > > Klonopin aside from a anti anxiety agent,is also a powerful mood stablizer.
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> > > > Klonopin is used by some body builders as like ghb it releases natural gh,growth hormone which is crucial to growing strong muscles fast.
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I'm not completely following you. Probably because I'm not as good at critical thinking as I once was.Maybe I'm jumping "midship" and not knowing all the details.
I would like to respond to the following.....
"It reminds me of how people reading memantine studies that say it causes "reverse tolerance," not know the phenomonenon of reverse tolerance in the context of amphetamine use, and thinks it reads "reverses tolerance." These people then conclude from studies they can't read basic terms from that it "reverses" tolerance, and take it thinking tolerance will go away (tolerance that typically exists mainly in their head).
^^^ I was always told by numerous psychiatrists that a person has to taper slowly while coming off klonopin...???I know from personal experience that I definitely had a physiological dependence on klonopin after I was prescribed, up to 8 mgs a day.
I did slowly titrate down from that dose. I've been told (by numerous psychiatrists) that a
person can end up in a potentially lethal situation if klonopin is abruptly stopped.However, at one point, (because I moved out of state) I did abruptly stop taking klonopin after I was taking around 2-3 mgs per day for an extended period of time.
^^^^ I would not advise this to others because I suffered greatly going "cold turkey". I was in very good physical shape at the time and I believe that helped me to withstand my physical cravings.Whether it was in my head or not is up for debate but I felt a strong physical desire for the klonopin. After my move to another state, I knew that I was not going to be prescribed the amount of klonopin that I was taking, up to that point.
The new doctors would not have known my history and I was told that, in my new location, the doctors were very ant-benzo.
It sucked, is all I remember.Once again, I'm not sure I really contributed anything her and apologize if I am speaking out of context.
Tired
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