Posted by desolationrower on July 15, 2011, at 22:19:32
In reply to Lou's request-mudgebeddr » desolationrower, posted by Lou Pilder on July 9, 2011, at 7:24:54
hey, this could be a good discussion.
> d/r,
> You wrote,[...drug addicts are much better than...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. What criteria do you use to mark the difference between a religious fundamentalist and other people that are not?i don't have a good shibboleth here, but fundamentalism meaning the tendency toward using a single framework for evaluating the world. nietzche said god was dead because people were no longer willing to kill for god; abraham was a fundamentalist most def.
> B. If the drug addicts are {much better}, what are the areas in their lives that are better, if that is what you are wanting to mean? What is meant by {better}?i would consider the main advantage is in the not believing their 'drug' makes them morally superior; people high on coke might be the exception here. (please note i am including all people labeled 'drug addicts' by the original poster, not only the subgroup of people who have hit rockbottom b/c of drug-related problems)
in general, drugs are actually pleasant or at least beneficial.
also, 'their lives' is not synonymous with the people themselves which is what i was refering to. people who chose drugs probably are worse off than people in general, but see: selection bias. i was referring more to moral character of the people, not to quality of life.
> C. If a religious fundmantalist lives their life drug free, and the drug addict does not, could the religious fundamentalist's lives be compared to the drug addicts lives by a standard unbeknownst to you that could conclude otherwise from your statement here in question? If not, why not?
you can compare people by lots of things. i really only care about good standards. my fundamental values are for the most happiness, engagement, and senseofwonder, and the least pain. i grew up fundamentalist, so i am generally beknownst of said standards. i am not very familiar with 'drug addicts' though i have def. had my share of RXs.
-d/r
Better living through chemistry, socialism, and big phallic rockets (with a side of roquette)
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