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Re: Anxiety/Fatigue/Muscle Stiffness/Depression » morganator

Posted by bleauberry on April 4, 2010, at 14:14:53

In reply to Re: Anxiety/Fatigue/Muscle Stiffness/Depression, posted by morganator on April 2, 2010, at 18:58:45

Well, let me start by saying I don't want to get sidetracked talking about lyme. You have bad symptoms and they need to be eased. That is the primary focus in the short term. Meanwhile, things look identical to the symptoms you describe need to be vigilanting examined along the journey. Don't want to put them on the shelf.

> Is it possible to have some good times when you feel pretty good even when you have a Candida or Lyme issue?

Yes. Candida for example will wax and wane depending somewhat on what you eat. Sugars of any kind equal explosive growth. Lack of sugars equals death. So you get some see-saw stuff going on based on food choices.

Lyme generally follows a 4 week wave that so many people are familiar with. It probably has something to do with the lifecycle of the organisms. Some say it even has something to do with the phase of the moon. I thought that for a while, until I realized I was looking at the full moon feeling fairly decent, while a couple months earlier I was looking at the full moon and feeling like death. I personally didn't see a relation.

When patients are undergoing treatment for Lyme, it is almost expected than one week out of the month will be particularly bad, almost like clockwork, and another week fairly good.

>I just have so many injuries and such bad anxiety and have been on so many medications, it really is hard to tell what is going on here.

Yep. I do not believe mankind has enough knowledge at this point for many medical issues. We do what we can.

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> So, even if I had a negative result after having my blood sent to the lab that you speak of, it is possible that I may still have Lyme?

Absolutely. Happens a lot. That is what keeps people undiagnosed and sick for much longer than they need be. Keep in mind, according the CDC who invented the lab test, it was NOT intended for diagnosis. It has a significant built-in error rate. That error rate does not affect widespread monitoring of regional outbreaks enough to make any difference in identifying those outbreaks, but it certainly does make a massive life changing affect on a person's individual diagnosis. This happens a lot, all the time.

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> Is there a specific way of testing for Candida?
>

Well, sort of, but who knows for sure. To me the best diagnostic test is to set out to kill candida and see what happens.

I read on the web that a home test works. I've done it a bunch of times. To me, it did work. First thing in the morning, right out of bed, work up some saliva and spit into a glass of water. Let the spit float there and see what happens. Normal spit just floats there and doesn't do much of anything. Infected spit develops milky white strings that sink to the bottom of the glass. In my case they were more like wide milky curtains, very thick. After taking anti-fungal herbs or meds for a couple weeks, those turned to thin faint strings instead of curtains. The only thing that made them completely disappear was a garlic extract, the smelly kind. The odor is what kills. Odorless garlic is not a potent antimicrobial, but strong odor garlic is amazingly potent. Also potent to the noses of people around you, which is why I couldn't keep taking it. :-)

Another test that Integrative MDs, Alternative MDs, and Naturopaths use is a urine test. Candida produces a unique identifying chemical that only it produces, and it shows up in urine. Everyone has some in minute quantities. But in excess above the norm, a problem is identified by high urine levels of that chemical. I've never done this test and cannot vouch for its accuracy one way or the other.

Killing these things doesn't feel good. When more corpses are created than can be cleared out by the kidneys and liver and lymph nodes, a bottleneck happens where the toxins build up. That causes inflammation and also frieks out the immune system. Symptoms can vary, ranging from flu-like, lethargy, depression, anxiety, psychotic-like stuff, muscle and joint pains, chronic fatigue, and such. It's called the Herxheimer reaction and in my opinion is a very powerful diagnostic tool in probing for any hidden infection.

How does lyme get a negative lab? Complicated story. The first thing the organisms do when entering the bloodstream is send out enzymes to turn off the part of the immune system that would hurt them. Thus the absence of antibodies is not unusual. They burrow deep in tissues, where the immune system can't see them. They are not free-floating in the bloodstream, and thus any lab test based on a blood sample is hit or miss. They have three forms they mutate into. One of them is a cyst. Basically a protective layer, like a cacoon, in which they live. They can go dormant for long periods of time. The immune system does not recognize the cyst as an enemy. When the organisms sense danger, they immediately go into the cyst form for protection and anti-detection.

Kind of weird, but a common pattern is this...
Someone tests negative, several times. But some doctor decides let's try antibiotics anyway and see what happens. A month later they do another blood test, and guess what, now the test is solidly positive. The antibiotics killed and weakened the organisms in a manner that exposed them from hiding. The immune system could now see them and go after them. Their dead bodies and parts of bodies are now freely flowing in the bloodstream. Now a positive lab test is obvious.

Again, I don't want to get sidetracked on this issue. It may or may not apply to you. The symptoms fit, but what can I say. I do want to say, keep the issue alive until proven without a doubt one way or the other. Right now, with lab tests as the only guiding factor, there is too much doubt. That won't happen until a good antibiotic approach has been tried.

Meanwhile, the psychiatric toolbox has some options for your specific symptoms. So hopefully you'll find some things that help. Trial and error is the only way, unfortunately.

My LLMD said that one of the most useful meds he has seen with his patients is Gabapentin, in the brand form, not generic. It seems to be able to touch all of the symptoms one way or another. He was very specific about insisting on brand however. A med mentioned on the web by other llmds is Modafinil.


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