Posted by bulldog2 on July 1, 2009, at 15:03:51
In reply to Re: A similar study, posted by Larry Hoover on July 1, 2009, at 9:15:39
> > People have developed diabeties *solely* as the result of say zyprexa. Psychiatric medications can screw up your metabolism (zyprexa as a prime example). No not everybody is going to get diabetes, but some are - thats why lawsuits have been won against Lilly.
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> This isn't directed at you, Link. I feel a rant coming on.
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> I do not accept the premise that Zyprexa causes diabetes. It does, however, affect glucose metabolism. The problem is not with the drug, it is with the medical management of the patient.
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> By no means am I minimizing the consequences of weight gain and diabetes associated with prolonged Zyprexa intake. But why was the patient permitted to progress to a serious state of medical abnormality without intervention?
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> And how is that the fault of the drug manufacturer? Post-marketing surveillance isn't an instantaneous process. It takes time to realize that there may be a significant concern that needs to be brought forward in public warnings, etc. However, no one on this planet has ever developed diabetes overnight. Where were the doctors in all of this?
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> Just for the record, some may think I am pro-Big Pharma, biased and selective in my interpretations. That is flat out false. I am a scientist, with many years of professional experience in the critical analysis of other people's scientific work. And I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
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> Just a few of my own drug experiences....
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> 1. In only 11 days on Serzone, I was rendered so stupified that I could not avoid walking into a telephone pole adjacent to a sidewalk seven feet wide, knocking myself to the pavement. I made it back to my car and proceeded to drive through at least two red lights, totally oblivious to my state. I discontinued the medication.
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> 2. In 42 days on Remeron, I gained 30 lbs. I shop and cook for myself, and I did not change my eating habits, portion size, or anything like that. My doctor simply said that my weight gain was not possible. I had to buy new clothes, and it took me a year to get the weight off. I discontinued the drug.
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> 3. In less than two weeks on Lamictal, I developed oligohydrosis, the complete inability to sweat. I detected this condition while driving my black car (no air conditioning) during a heat wave, realizing that I was showing signs of heat stroke. I somehow made it to an air conditioned environment, where I collapsed. I have no recollection of how I made it there, or how long it took me to come to my senses. I discontinued the medication.
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> 4. In three weeks on Neurontin, I lost the ability to produce speech, and had such profound episodic sensory disturbances that I could neither see nor walk. I discontinued the medication.
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> There are others, too.
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> I am very sensitive to medication. What I will not do is generalize from my experience, because it appears to be inconsistent with that of the far larger numbers of those who tolerate the medications well. And I do not blame anyone for my poor outcomes. The medications were prescribed to me in good faith, for the treatment of conditions for which I was seeking help. It didn't work out as predicted. End of story.
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> Lar
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>Again well put Larry and I would like to add some addtional points:
1. Some in this room attack psychotropic drug and isolate them as if they are uniquely evil. All drugs are powerful agents and can create side effects that range from mild to life threatening. I may be able to gobble advil like candy without any problem where others might be one of 16,500 a year who die from nsaids.
2. Testing(all drugs) may be done in a scientific
moral way and may not find all potentially serious sides until the drug has been released and used for a while. I don't think there is any conspiracy to use us as guinea pigs. I don't think big pharm enjoys these massive class action law suits.3. Big Pharm companies get critisized all the time for taking to long to release drugs that are waited for. So they're in a no win situation. Some say they test to long and others say they don't test enough.
4. People have allergic reaction to peanuts and die.5. Drugs can be dangerous. So don't take them if you fear sides. But these conspiracy theories and there's anything uniquely dangerous about psych drugs just don't hold water.
6. Under capitalism you make money by making the best product you can produce. The product may be very flawed in the end but not done intentionally. Law Suits cost the companies millions in the end and damage their reputation.
7. If I'm that anti-drug I just stop taking them. If I take them I understand the risk I'm taking. I take them because I just have not found alternative medicine to be effective. To many quacks making unsubstantiated claims. I have spend money by the bucket load on alternative supps and methods that just plain did not work. So what am I left with? Allopatic medicine that is flawed but yields more results than alternative med.
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