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Re: Switch from Parnate to (TCAs, Cymbalta)?Help ;-) » desolationrower

Posted by Vincent_QC on January 10, 2009, at 16:39:17

In reply to Re: Switch from Parnate to (TCAs, Cymbalta)?Help ;-), posted by desolationrower on January 10, 2009, at 11:36:01

> Yes, in general the TCAs and other older ADs similar you face a trade off, there are ones that are better for anxiety, but they cause more sedation and weight gain, no way around that.
>
> Cymbalata is more noradrenergic than venlafaxine, in fact i am skeptical that venlafaxine has much effect on NA at all.
>
> Have you ever tried an anticonvulsant? It might help with anxiety but not be addictive the way you find benzos since they take a long time to build up effect. pregabalin and gabapentin are the most benzo like, but topirimate, valproate, tiagabine, vigabatrin all might be helpful and wouldn't have the same risks.
>
> -d/r

Hi -d/r ;-)
Yeah, I try a lot of anticonvulsives drugs...Topamax (Topiramate)...had a lot of cognitives problems (short term memory loss and word-finding difficulty) on that one, but I also loose more than 20 pounds on it, in less than 1 month. It was not really helpfullfor social phobia, so I stop it. I had also cold extrimities...feets, hands...I was always feeling like it was freezing everywhere...even in a hot bath...

I try also Lyrica before the Gabapentin. Lyrica was hard to tolerate for me, too much sedation and some rash on the skin...it was strange...I dont use it for more than 1 month also. Gabapentin was more easy to tolerate but the excessive amount of pills you have to take each day because of it's short half-life was borred me at the time. I was on it for more a couple of months at the max dose, don't remember the exact mg...but I stop because it was innefective on me and I never had any improve of my social phobia and my anxiety. I was on the rivotril at the same time (8mg/day)...I remember that I had a lot of pins and needles feeling in my head, my legs and hands...but nothing else.

I never try the lithium, the valporate acid or vigabatrin...or the lamictal as well...In fact, when I will find the good AD with a tolerable side-effects profile for myself and good results on my social phobia or in my anxiety in general and some help in the depression, I will maybe ask for a mood stabilizer...

I'm also skeptical about the Effexor NA or the so minimum DA effects it's suppose to have...in fact, i'm sure at a dose of 370-450mg/day, I had some drug in my system , even if I have a small intestine track, and I was not feeling good at all on it...It was like I was on the Prozac or something like this...more energizing profile, but more anxious in any way...

The onlyt one SSRI I never try is the Luvox...but I think I will also avoid this solution cause I know that I don't react well on the others SSRI's...I know he have a different structure than the regular SSRI and a shorter half-life, but I will not take any chance of trying it...

So for now, I will discuss the options with my PDOC next week...it will be probably a TCA's or the Manerix, even if the Manerix fail to show some positives results in some studies compare to the placebo group...but well, it work and help some people so maybe I will be one of them!!!

For the Parnate, I read in another post that people who persist are the one who will get more positive results...I don't argue on that statement. But for me it was too much... I can feel the difference now, i'm off the Parnate since 3 days soon and I had some panic attacks today and I had to return to my normal dose of Valium, so 20mg/day...I'm not stupid, I know that the Parnate had some good effects on my social anxiety and general anxiety, but the side-effects was untolerable for me. I was too much tired at the end...

Maybe my Pdoc will ask to return on the Parnate also but a 20mg or something like this....but I will absolutely try to change his minds and talk about others possibilities...

So for now I take my valium again, i'm more anxious than in my one month try of Parnate, but that's maybe just the withdraw efects I feel for now, since I stop cold turkey...who know...A lot of things can make me feel more anxious and more fragile to the panic attacks, especially in social events like I had last night and that I will have tonight...i'm suppose to go out with a friend and i'm not really in the mood for that...but well if I stay at home I will also be anxious so why lost another evening at home alone...I'm used to do panic attacks, I will not die...lol

Anyway, i'm out of subject for now...thanks for your help !!! That's very nice from you!!!

Bye!

Vincent ;-)


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