Posted by ParnateStarted2008 on December 21, 2008, at 14:43:41
In reply to Re: Whats your sleep med? If bad Med induced insom » ParnateStarted2008, posted by Vincent_QC on December 21, 2008, at 0:00:11
> > Yes, I do know what you mean. We worry alot about sleep because if we dont sleep were worried about being tired the next day and axious or worse.
> > Remeron shouldn't be used but maybe a small dose is ok.. depends on you.
> > Hopefully the insomnia gets better. Right now its really bad. I slept good last night on 50mg trazodone, 50mg seroquel. Im still a bit tired but Ill be fine in an hour or 2. I didnt take those pills until 2 am last night.
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> > I quit zopiclone and dont like it at all. It used to be good with Nardil at 1 pill but now I need like 6 pills and the taste is disgusting, I cant stand it the next day.
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> > Does Unisom actually work for you for more then a couple days?
> > For me, any over the counter antihistamine looses effectiveness in 3 days about. gravol/unisom/nytol etc.
> > Its really good once in a while.
> > Im just hoping insomnia will get better as time goes by.
> > Right now im cycling back and forth between Trazodone, seroquel and Diphenhydramine hydrochloride(1-2x a week)
> > Good to hear your feeling a bit better.
> > Im doing good too at 70mg's a day.
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> Hummm ok...so you are now at 70mg/day of Parnate...is it worse for insomnia at this stage...or insomnia begin at a low dose like the one I take (20mg/day)...
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> Well i'm really confuse about sleep pills...I mean, my psychiatrist or my family doctor don'T want to prescribe Trazodone, they always talk about serotonin syndrome possibilites...I'm sure a low dose is safe no? But I can't get it...
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> Do you find the "zombie" sensation the next day to be less strongh with trazodone or with seroquel? I was on 50mg of seroquel but the XR version and it was crazy as hell the next day...I was completly pass out and lost. Maybe I should ask just for regular seroquel?
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> For what I know and for the answers I get from my pharmacist, Remeron is not safe at all with Parnate, even at a low dose...but at the same time, he told me also that Unisom, Gravol or any pills make with diphenhydramine hydrochloride are dangerous with the Parnate ???
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> On other side, i'm sure the pharmacist don't know what he talk about, for the MAOI'S at least... he just take a website about drugs and read the interractions to me...He was not aware that the Parnate was still a prescribe drug in these day...I was the first one to had a prescription of Parnate in more than 14 years at this place.
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> I never find the diphenhydramine hydrochloride effective, in fact, it tend to make me more anxious and agited, so I don't use it often, I was using it the day after I had drink too much at the time lol
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> As a kid, I had STRONG allergy seasonal problems in the summer, and I took a lot of Chlorphenamine (Chlor-Tripolon), for that reason, I think the sedation effect have lost is action on me since a long time.
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> Aparently, Unisom 2, made with doxylamine succinate is a more potent drug to help people sleep...I have to command one box this week at my drugstore because they never have it in stock... I will try it...I have nothing to loose...
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> What I can say...I feel a little bit well but at the same time no...I find the Parnate to be more hard for the system than the Nardil. I'm a lot tired between the dose in the day, at night it's worse... My blood pressure is often high, and at the same time I have orthostatic hypotension...I will have to be more carefull with what I eat and what I drink...slow down the coffee a little bit.
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> IF you don't count these 3 side-effects, Parnate is a wonderfull drug, for now. and show some promising success on me. But I feel so tired sometimes, I hope it will be more stimulating at a more high dose and I hope the hypertension or the hypotension problems will not get worse...
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> Well that's all for now... When I will have my box of Unisom 2, I will inform you , just to let you know if it's working more well than regular sleep pills...
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> Have a nice day ;-)
>Hi, Most of the time gravol/unisom/diphenhydramine are all safe with Parnate... Im sure most people can take remron or a sedating TCA at bedtime for a sleep aid while taking Parnate.. The risk of serotonin syndrome is small. Pharmacists/doctors dont want to be in trouble if they perscribe a medication that 'might' interact. There have been no tests to see if Parnate is safe with most other drugs.. for some people it may be risky, it all depends on your brain chemestry. I react to Parnate differently then you and another person on this site who I talk to..
I dont get tired between dosing at all, my blood pressure is always perfect and I can eat anything so far including very very old cheese.. dont tell anyone to try it because they might react alot differently then me. Nardil I did notice if I ate Tyramine, my heart would start beating very fast and hard and I went to the Emergency twice. On Parnate I dont get those symptoms. Trazodone is the most widely perscribed sleep aid for long term with MAOI's and it is quite safe. But there is a risk to everything. Every drug says dont combine it with a MAOI... so it is a decision and risk you'll have to take if your desperate enough to do so.
I dont find Trazodone as sedating as seroquel for the next day.. seroquel is worse.
I find My insomnia is much worse now at 70mg's a day because it is really starting to work for me..
you might have just as bad insomnia at 30mg's if that dose works as strong for you as 70 does for me.
I guess Ill buy some doxylamine aswell to use once in a while,,
Do the over the counter antihistamines loose their effectiveness with you very fast?
Even Doxilamine succinate I could couly take for 3-4 days and then I become immune and I have to quite for a week or two..
thanks for the info,
aurevoire ton ton
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