Posted by Four Feathers on June 17, 2008, at 17:58:33
In reply to Re: Nardil users/experts information needed, posted by blueboy on June 17, 2008, at 10:48:48
Blueboy,
Thank you for taking the time to provide such thorough information, it is much appreciated.
> Also, after I went off the Nardil, I got a diagnosis of Bipolar II. If you have had a lot of lack of success with AD's, you might want to double check with a really good diagnostician -- one that will listen more than three minutes before making a diagnosis. I would also suggest writing out two lists, one a historical list, one grouped by symptom type.The current Pdoc that I am now working with is anti "15 minute appts". He takes as much time as necessary and I have never once been pressured to hurry up and get out. This is likely b/c he does not participate with many insurance carriers here in the US so he sets his own rules, which in my opinion works well if one can afford to pay his rates.
I have asked about the possibility of BP spectrum and have had multiple pdocs tell me that they don't see any signs of hypomania or mania in my past. While I have had different dx around anxiety and dep, the one from my current doc, atypical depression, I feel is the best based on documented symptomology.
> This isn't a drug anyone WANTS to take. You sound like a younger man and I'm sure the prospect of weight gain and sexual problems is extremely worrisome. My guess is that you will have less of a problem actually conceiving children than with things like 1) attracting or keeping a woman happy when you are fatter and less sexually able, 2) embarrassment over perceived failure as a man, i.e. self-image, 3) sexual frustration, 4) social embarrassment over higher weight.I am 35 and currently in a very good relationship. I have been successul in my life both professionally and personally, but I have had to hide many of my depressive feelings and work much harder to comprehend and learn things over the years than others. I have a girlfriend and things are great in that area. Unfortunately, she does not suffer from depression or anxiety so finds it difficult at times to understand what I go through. She is very supportive though. I actually believe that getting some of my good mood back and ability to feel pleasure from things again will help our relationship further. How I long for the way I remember actually being able to get excited about things! :)
> I'd imagine that among women who want children -- and for sure among women who HAVE children -- they'd take a happy chubby guy with a job who can't have much sex over a depressed unemployed skinny sexual guy, any day of the week. I have talked to a number of young people who are amazed and distressed about "never" having sex after the baby comes.I have plenty of friends who would echo that statement!
> I would say that in my case I would once have put the importance of sexuality at a 10 out of 10 -- totally inconceivable that I could live without being sexual and sexually attractive -- whereas, in practice, once I started taking the Nardil, the sexual and weight problems were less distressing than the insomnia. Maybe a 5 or 6 out of 10.
>I met with my Pdoc today and he gave me a script for Nardil, along with Procardia should I ever have a hypertensive reacation. I am usually med sensitive so he is hoping that I may respond well to a low dose. In our discussion today I found that he has actually been on this med for 20+ years himself and speaks with great candidness regarding its effects and side effects. He is by far the best Pdoc that I have ever seen and I truly trust his judgement and opinions on my condition. Of course, I realize that YMMV with any of these meds!
You sound as though you had very positive effects while you were on Nardil...why did you stop? What led to the subsequent BPII dx and what are you currently taking to control your symptoms? Just curious....
Did you ever experience a hypertensive crisis while on Nardil?
Thanks again Blueboy!
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