Posted by steel on June 11, 2007, at 8:34:55
In reply to Re: Combining Provigil and Parnate, posted by F00TBALL on June 11, 2007, at 6:52:44
> > These are all common cases.No new abstracts have shown up.In these some were under direct inpatient care,others watched closly,and even blood maoi levels were tested at times.This most likly wont be the case,the docs in these articles were famialir enough to know the maois well,now your lucky if a doc even knows what a maoi is.
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> > Can it be done,well the milage will vary person to person.However i dont recmend it be considered safe,or common,rather make sure first you know your maoi well,i.e its onset and all around feel,this way if u do attempt it you can pick up on a crisis immediatly.
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> > Also basic scieance shows due to mostly the maois fault,the chemicals will accumalte,so dont consider it long term,instead use the combo as a aid to get past a plateu,and try to stop the psycho stimulant when you hit remission,only to continue this on/off pattern when needed.
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> > staying on a maoi and psycho stimulant is not recomended unless in very rare cases,as in these reports most times the doc invovled is one familiar and comfortable with maois,as well as the patient is usualy monitered very closly.
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> > Maois simply dont hold this respect to pdocs today,and crappy or not the combination is not recomended by most because it is dangerous,and it does require both the patient and doc to know the maoi drugs feel very well.A new user should not be on this combo,it can be deadly,its not stated as a contradiction for light reasons as some of the maoi diet is.
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> > Also more dangerous is some people have various tolerance,and can handle his combo fairly well,but again the risk is real,and THERE of a very fatal sitaution,be careful .
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> 1. As far as I know there have been ZERO reports of someone dying from combining an MAOI with Provigil
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> 2. It's stated as a contradiction because there have been no official studies on combining the two NOT because it's known to be extremely dangerous.
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> 3. Your post seems to be your opinion more then fact. If you're gonna make such a bold statement as to say... "the combination is not recomended by most because it is dangerous,and it does require both the patient and doc to know the maoi drugs feel very well.A new user should not be on this combo,it can be deadly,its not stated as a contradiction for light reasons as some of the maoi diet is," please provide a link that actually says this.
>I dident say provigil,or maybe i dident make it clear,amphetamines.Did people actualy die,i dont know,i dont know if any of the contradictions have documented cases on Maois.
Yess of course im stating my opinion,id hope nothing anyone says here is taken as more than that,im not even really impressed with short weak abstracts either.
What i can speak of is what i know,which is ive used the combo personaly,and have read on others who have.
Maoi inhbits,and i actualy read in a google post of a dramatic case of cranial hemorage due to a combo as such,these particular chemicals stock piling up in the brain due to slow maoi acitivity just in theory alone cant be safe.
Lol dont take offense,i search for augmentation constantly,but if i dident say to choose using a amphetamine with parnate carefully then i wouldent be myself.
Provigil,caffiene etc are weaker stimulants,both maois and amphetamines are powerful drugs,and i stand behind recomending it not be a general option of augmentation.
FYI this is willyee,just a new handle,seem to stuck a cord there eh,well sorry man i have augmented parnate a long time now,and its been the scariest combo for me,i use the caffiene now which is medacore but better than nothing,i posted how it seemed to be pretty harmless,everything i post is purly opinion of course,its our job to gather it all up and make the final choice ourselves,i personaly wouldent advise anyone doing something they in there gut felt wasnt safe just because a abstract said so.
I dident feel safe with a ritalin/parnate combo,and i should have went with my gut on it.
Anyway sorry you took my info the way u did,im in the same boat as you are.Over and out.
poster:steel
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