Posted by linkadge on January 18, 2007, at 19:09:02
In reply to RE: I am not going to post on ECT anymore » linkadge, posted by SLS on January 18, 2007, at 17:47:24
>Afterall, I think the person who started it was >pretty specific that she wanted to avoid such >posts and that she felt she was sufficiently >educated regarding the risks of this treatment.
The fact that there was another post made on the issue is testament to the poster's uncertainty.
Nevertheless, it is not my goal to infringe one anyones rights.Although, no more posts = no more responces.
>I believe Karen has already demonstrated the >maturity as an adult to make such decisions.
It just scares me when somebody says I am going to do something and I am going to close the door to all other input.
>I don't think people like to be told what they >want and what they don't want, or what they want >to believe.
Nobody does.
>It is presumptuous, in my way of looking at >things, to presume to know the mind of another.
People make inferences. Sometimes wrong, sometimes right.
For instance, the following is an inferance:
The people who probably do best on ECT are the ones who hadn't previously got themselves caught-up in internet discusions about ECT induced glutamatergic neurotoxicity, cholinergic dammage, tempoal lobe neuronal loss and gliosis, fibrosis, mitochondrial dysfunction, EEG abnormalities, heat shock protein induction, oxidative stress, altered gene expression, GFAP induction, animal models of permamant cognitive deficit, shadow cells and neuronophagia, areas of cortial devistation, Astrocytic proliferation, necrosis in cortex hippocampus and medulla, Central chromatolysis, induction of ghost cells, Chromatolysis, cell shrinkage, glial nodules beneath the ependyma of the third ventricle, Schemic and pyknotic ganglion cells, Pigmentation and fatty degeneration, Decrease in ganglion cells in frontal lobes, lipoid pigment in globus pallidus and medical nucleus of thalamus, gliosis around ventricles and in marginal areas of brain stem, perivascular gliosis in white matter.
But wait, the good news is that you likely won't remember all of that after the procedure is over!!!
>It
>sounds like you are describing the mind of a >disturbed child.Are you saing that only disturbed children cut? Of course one could argue it is childish. I am not trying to liken having ECT to cutting, but it is a way to kind of injure oneself to order to attain both psychological and psychosocial responces to injury.
>I don't know, Link. It doesn't sound like you >understand what cutting is all about. It always >works.
????
>Aha! An admission of treatability! Optimism? >Feels good.
Thats what I mean. Although, placebos work best when you are ignorant of their potential dangers.
When did I ever say that depression was not treatable? Just because I don't put much faith in modern psychiatry doesn't mean I don't believe it is treatable.>Don't look now, but now you are >equating "strong" with "effective". Don't worry. >It's a common mistake.
I don't understand what you are saying. I said there exists a treatment which is strong enough (or effective enough) to get a person well.
(Note: Above I was saying that *harshness* was not equatable to effectivness.) In this context strong does not mean harsh. Harsh implies side effects wherase strong doesn't necessarily.>Perhaps it doesn't belong on a pedestal, but I >am not clear on where it should be placed. There >are some pretty compelling stories out there >that argue for having it remain available.
Well I believe that it will be done away with in my lifetime. We are in an age of the presuit of hard facts. Crackdowns on numbrfudging. 10 years ago one might believe that only 13% of citalopram users experienced sexual dysfunction. Hopefully in the future those kinds of lies will not be tollerated.
>Specifically, her wishes were, "I don't want >people to try to talk me out of ECT if that is >what I ultimately decide to do"
No more posts = no more responces.
Linkadge
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