Posted by mindevolution on January 2, 2007, at 21:01:48
In reply to Re: Has anyone here had a remssion for long?, posted by linkadge on January 2, 2007, at 18:26:40
hiya linkadge you bring up some good and interesting points, which made me think!
> >you can't cure it with drugs only get some >relief from symptoms while you get therapy.
> I think that depends on the nature of the underlying problem. Thyroid problems for instance, are a biochemical cause of depression in some. For some of these people, thyroid can cure the problem.
sure, but I said you can't cure or prevent mental illness with drugs. thyroid problems, cancers, viruses, etc can all cause mental illness symptoms, but they have a physical cause and therefore and not considered mental illnesses, well at least that's how I understand it. :)
> >problem is some drugs cause physical brain >damage particularly the toxic ones like >antipsychotics, and you can't cure permanent >damage to your CNS.
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> I agree with that.
>it makes me shudder to think how many people have been permanently damaged by the mental health system that forces toxic brain damaging chemical such as antipsychotic down mental illness patients throats against their will. I think i read somewhere that sales of antipsychotics are now greater than sales of antidepressants. why don't they force mental illness patients to have therapy as a front line treatment and then if that fails hit the meds????
> >so if you want a permanent cure to mental >illness, try no meds and therapy.
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> I've gone both ways. With or without meds. I wouldn't say that no meds and therapy have cured anything, but thats not to say it doesn't work for some.
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as long as your meds don't have toxic side effects I say go for it and enjoy the relief! when we have a cold, no one says you have to tough it out without sleeping aids and pseudoephidrine. but even anti depressants cause an antipsychotic side effect of akathisia which increases suicide potential, they even put warnings on ssris and snris. akathisia is generally linked to damage to the cholinergic system in particular (bad damage = Alzeimers), nerve toxins such as vx or sarin gas or pesticides kill via damaging the cholinergic system. with less damage it shows up as akathisia, insomnia, and anxiety.so starting on an antidepressant may lead to suicide or physical damage to the cholinergic system creating a physicl disease in the patient in the form of physically based chronic anxiety, and once physical damage is incurred, the patient is no longer able to make as high a level recovery. also they may trigger mania requiring antipsychotics and before you know it the patient is on a one way path to severe disease and illness.
i still think that many can benefit from the drugs, and i am in no way anti-drugs in any way shape or form, I just think due to the risks they should be seen as second line treatments, if you know what i mean?
> >can someone tell me why psychiatrists are the >front line for treatment for mental illness >rather than psychologists?????? surely mental >illness can be cured with good therapy,
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> Thats not always true. I know people who have attended years of the best therapy money can buy, and can gain tremendous insight to the nature of their suffering, but are yet still completely unable to change the way they feel on a daily basis. Brain chemistry can profoundly affect mood just like it can affect movement, hence I would say that depression is no less a biochemical problem (for some) than parkinsons.
>thumbs up, therapy can cure, but doesn't work for everyone. but those that get cured with therapy make a complete recoveries of the highest level. so that's why i think it should be front line rather than forcing drugs on people.
> >but zap someone with ect or give them toxic >doses of antipsychotics and it doesn't matter >how much therapy they have after that, the >patient will never be able to recover fully!
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> I'd have to say I agree. Thought, just because our treatments are fairly crappy, doesn't detract from the fact that some people's mood disorders may be a result of some form of brain abnormality.sure, but it is impossible to separate those with things like pathological depression from depression from choosing the wrong wife or the wrong job, or childhood issues, etc. can't we try everyone on therapy first then send those that still have problems to get some meds? by sending them all to meds introduces unnecessary disease in many patients that could have otherwise made a full recovery.
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> >or am i missing something?
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> I think that some people are prone to these types of illnesses. Just because they havn't found a cure doesn't mean there isn't one (for certain forms of depression)
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> Its just like depression in epilepsy. Some think that the epileptic dysfunction is the same dysfunction that mediates the mood disorder. As such, the depression is no less a brain abnormality than the seizures.
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I don't know enough about epilepsy to be able to comment, is it a mental illness or a physical disease?
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> Linkadge
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