Posted by linkadge on November 5, 2006, at 13:49:25
In reply to Re: wait a second?, posted by clint878 on November 5, 2006, at 12:31:58
>Antidepressant-induced mania, however, is not >something that just goes away after you stop >taking the pills.
I don't think that is something that has been thoroughly tested. The protocols insist that the patient be placed on mood stabilizers right away, before seeing what coming off the drug might do. Thats not fair. Antidepressants can induce mania in animal models. My mother had a manic episode on a TCA. She has since been on lithium. I would argue that the mania would have subsided if the drugs had been removed. If you take street drugs like meth, and have a manic episode, that doesn't mean you have bipolar. They will not put you on lithium for life. But somehow antidepressants are different? They're still messing with your neurotransmitters. The science isn't exact.
>Manic episodes, even those induced by >antidepressants, can last for weeks or months. >The patient might commit suicide as a result.
Not always though. A lot of people get stuck on drugs they probably don't need.
>More importantly, though, it's been shown that >very few people EVER recover fully from a manic >episode, suffering permanent cognitive >dysfunction as a result.
Its hard to say too, because all the drugs that are used in bipolar can cause major cognitive impairment. When I came off lithium, my grades improved 2 letter grades. They have stayed that way. Again, this could be a way that doctors pawn off the cognitive side effects of mood stabilizers an AP's. Well, bipolar causes cognitive impairment. Whatever cognitive impairment is caused by bipolar, the drugs make it 10X worse.
>As to poop-out and all the other things you >brought up, those just hint at bipolarity and >could certainly be caused by other things. But >with antidepressant-induced mania, if you >weren't bipolar before, you are NOW.
Hey, I can agree with that. What I was implying with the drug induced mania is this. We think there is a link between epileptic like brain activity, and some forms of mania. That is why anticonvulsants work in bipolar. So, if a drug can induce seizure like activity in normal people, is it too much of a stretch to suggest that they induce mania like acitivity in normal people?
Psychiatrists will never admit that their drugs can induce mania in normal people since then it is their fault. Instead, they simply pawn it off as underlying bipolar. Then it becomes "your" fault.
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