Posted by Questionmark on March 22, 2006, at 0:28:35
In reply to Re: Nardil vs. SSRI w/ augmentation » Questionmark, posted by Chairman_MAO on March 15, 2006, at 16:02:51
> D-amphetamine or d-meth will be a lot more tolerable than Adderall, most likely (adderall just has more side effects, as that makes for a better anorectic, which is what it was).
>Good. This is encouraging news.
> D-amphetamine increases libido on Nardil, definitely. It is the best treatment next to prohibitively high doses of testosterone I have tried. It is not a panacea, but it's a lot better than going without.
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Awesome. Thank you. Hm, so you could not handle the testosterone needed to help these Nardil side effects? That's too bad. i remember you mentioned testosterone some time ago and always had that in my mind as a possible remedy to try in the future (when i get enough $ and insurance, and appropriate doctors). Man, i really thought that would be a good remedy, barring some slightly frusterating & frightful yet bearable side effects. i'd like to hear more about your experience with this if you wouldn't mind-- sometime when you have time.
But at least i can hopefully look forward to d-amphetamine. Do you think it would be significantly better than methylphenidate? Cuz the latter works the same for me as it did, but it doesn't really help my libido or anything that noticeably. And although the enhanced focus is nice & helpful at times, it often causes me to overfocus and can really aggravate my perfectionism. (Sorry i'm rambling).
> My doctor is really frustrating me. Now he wants me to try clomipramine after cymbalta was a failure (he does not know I am taking Nardil + d-amphetamine, but i cannot function otherwise). As if that will work for social phobia after failure with EVERY SSRI (and TCAs barely work for my depression). Then he wants to try the selegiline patch, because it is WEAKER as an MAOI than Nardil. Great, that's just what I need. I told him I tried selegiline in the past, but no go because it was the tablet. So I have to waste my time for god knows how long until I exhaust every conceivable option under the sun. How long, years? I am so frustrated; I have zero complications from taking this combination, and the side effects of each drug are mitigated by the other. I am just going to play along and hope I can get him to agree to this within 7 weeks from now, which is how much Nardil I have left (including refill).
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Man that's ridiculous. i definitely sympathize with you. That would be a terrible situation. Actually it's frusterating just to read.
Can't you find a new pdoc??? This guy is obviously incompetent. Ugh, so irritating!!
i would really advise shopping for a good pdoc who will give you what you need. Don't give up. Try every avenue. Search for and contact organizations
that may be able to help. i admit this is so much easier for me to say since i would not even know where to begin in applying those suggestions, other than calling pdocs in the phonebook (and even then you can't get any information from them until you pay for an initial visit for 100+ dollars, only to be most likely told that they will not prescribe an MAOI.. sorry, i'm not helping). But seriously, try try try to do those things. Heck, even email pdocs whose names you see in abstracts if you have to-- ask them if they know of anyone.> It is utterly inane that we need permission slips from physicians to take remedies for depression. This is my body, and I will take care of it the way I see fit. It is legal for me to go to the corner store and buy 24 beers and a carton of cigarettes, but not Nardil. Fantastic.
So true. Such a good point. It is absolutely ridiculous. ... YOU"RE RIGHT!!! YOU CAN DRINK YOURSELF TO DEATH FROM A DRUG AT THE CORNER STORE BUT YOU CAN"T GET A DRUG THAT COULD SAVE YOU FROM CONSTANT DESPAIR OR EVEN DEATH!!! It's RIDICULOUS!!
("You" in previous paragraph was rhetorical "you").
i don't get it.
i wish i had the power to change so many things.Anyway, good luck. Let me or us know if you have any questions or suggestions needed.
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