Posted by AIK on September 29, 2004, at 7:48:03
In reply to Re: Effexor -tapering Q » Dave001, posted by Bubblehead on September 28, 2004, at 20:51:42
Good Morning Kelly,
The horrible withdrawal you're experiencing seems to have you in a whirl-wind; please call or go see someone who has the ability to pull you through this. Your family needs & wants you, this site needs & wants you, and you need to want you!
The withdrawal has brought you here to defend and protect this generation and you have my support and respect for that. If you read my post yesterday with my attempted experiment, I took the spheroids out of an Effexor capsule and put them in 30 ml of water. @ 8:45 am yesterday. 24 hours later, they're all still accounted for
and have not dissolved. I do not have the equipment available to measure how much of the venlafaxine permeated into the water and/or if any remained inside the spheroids. In order to be consistant with tapering with the appropriate dosage, one would have to count the spheroids inside the capsule, divide them up equally, and go from there. Sounds ridiculous to me. I thought possibly to crush the spheriods before adding water but that may or may not change the action from sustained release to immediate release. It reminds me of what they do on the streets. Get a hold of oxycontin, crush them, and snort it. It's just wrong. Changing a drug form for which it was intended should not be done in a kitchen, but in a controlled environment. I also agree with you that there are ding-dongs out there and the great thing is that you realize it. Our knowledge has increased significantly and you will aid in educating others. Please write back to me and let me know how you're doing this morning. AIK
> > I think it is the individual's choice whether to ask their doctor for "permission," which
> they will not receive, to reduce the dose in the manner described. A compounding
> pharmacist whom has specifically prepared custom Effexor formulations would likely
> know more about this than your doctor.>
>
>
> Sorry Dave, but I've got to disagree with ya here. I did not even ask my doctor to do this
> (mixing the stuff in water) and guess what? Yep, He told me to. Actually he told me to
> just dump out half of the capsule and take it that way. After reading what you all have
> said about this; it makes me wonder what kind of ding-dong I was going to. See Dave,
> this is what I was trying to express before. These Doctor's are not educated on the meds
> and we are the ones paying the price for thier ignorance.
>
>
> >> experimentation on my part (like I don't have enough to do). Support group, this has
> nothing to do with ingesting the drug...don't attempt it at this point. In fact, Dave did say
> earlier that it may be an alternative to tapering with capsules, but doesn't recommend it. I
> think he has raised the hair on the back of our necks when he minimizes our physical and
> mental pain. Also using asterisks when he refers to "if the withdrawal effects are *that*
> bad". Yes, it is *that* bad for these readers or they wouldn't be on this site.
>
> >Nothing I said was intended to minimize anyone's pain. I've already said that, but I guess
> it's not enough. Yes, I used asterisks when I said, "if the withdrawal effects are *that*
> bad." That just means what it says: if they are *that* bad for *you*. Some people don't
> find the withdrawal that big of a deal; others have a lot of difficulty. It varies. For someone
> not having great difficulty tapering the conventional way, it probably wouldn't be worth
> the hassle to fiddle with the capsules. That's all that was meant. The OP didn't indicate
> having a problem with tapering; IIRC, she had not yet even begun the process.<
>
>
> Oh my Dave, I think we all have seen the worst in you without even noticing the good. I
> think your post about the withdrawl and the need to sue has given you a bad reputation.
> Don't be confused, I am still in disagreement with you about this; but from reading your
> prior posts I see where you are coming from. Let me see if I have this right. You feel that
> by sueing the Drug company we are saying that there will be an end to them finding great
> cures and helps for the others that need it in the world. Is that it? If I am right, let me just
> say that, that is not our intentions. Have you seen what has been going on lately with the
> Effexor? Children and young kids are killing themselves not only from the withdrawl but
> some are doing it just from taking the meds. Now I don't know if you have kids, but I do
> and I will do anything, I mean "ANYTHING" within my power to protect them. If my
> child killed himself from taking this medicine and the company that produces the drug had
> knowledge of its effects, I sure as heck am not going to stand by and take a slap on the
> cheek. I assume you are trying to, for the drug companies, protect the rights to develop
> new things by saying we should not sue. But like you we also are trying to protect. By
> sueing we are protecting ourselves, others, and children most of all; from ever having to
> suffer like this again. Do you understand what I am saying?
>
> Anyhow, I think we all need to agree to disagree and move on. We need to get back to
> supporting one another through these hard times. Yes Dave, they really are hard. I
> wanted to kill myself last night but couldn't because I have to much resposibilty to others
> (sometimes that makes me angry). That responsibility is all that keeps me here somtimes
> (especially during this withdrawl process).
>
> Kelly
>
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