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Re: Psychquackery

Posted by Psychquackery on August 25, 2003, at 18:33:47

In reply to Re: Psychquackery, posted by linkadge on August 25, 2003, at 18:00:59

> You cannot say that rTMS doesn't work,
> you see I could just as easily say that
> ECT does not work.
>
>
> You must understand that the 'science' behind
> these treatments is really secondary to
> their effect. All of the drugs, and other
> AD treatments were made before the 'science'
> behind them was understood. And yes, even
> ECT was used before anyone knew what the heck it did for the depressed brain.
>
>
> Anyhow, can you see how you are perhaps being
> a little dogmatic. I mean even the scientist
> who are proposing these mechanisms aren't as
> assertive as you seem to be.
>
>
> I mean all you can really say is that
> rTMS didn't work for you. You don't really
> know how it effects others. And if you
> think you have some sort of telepathic power
> that enables you to sense what others are sensing
> then I'd say there is a little more wrong
> on your side of the coin - no offense.
>
>
> Linkadge
>
>
>
>
>
>

Linkadge, rTMS DOES NOT work across the majority of people with severe depression! The studies done by rTMS researchers conclude that a meek antidepressant effect is there, but its not "clinically" relevant." Do you know what "clinically relevant" means? It means that its not strong enough to be considered a real tool for major depression. Its fine for the lab and whatnot, but for clinical use...say in a hospital on severely depressed inpatients it doesnt cut the mustard. The FDA has refused to approve it for depression and they have tried to get it approved at least once for depression that I know of. The FDA wont let it go thru as of yet. I predict it will never get FDA approved because I dont believe it will ever be proven to work good enough to be clinically relevant.

Furthermore, this new article in Scientific American, written by none other than famous rTMS researcher Mark George, does not say rTMS is effective for depression. Do you know who Mark George is Linkadge? He is probably the most famous rTMS researcher in North America. He has some very good credentials. And even he is now saying rTMS isnt very effective for severe depression.

I have gotten the impression you are in Canada and I know rTMS is already approved there. Things are approved faster in Canada. VNS is already approved there as well for refractory depression. Either they must do things differently up there or you must have some pushover people in the Canadian equivalent of the FDA.

The science behind it is everything and the science behind rTMS is weak. It sounds good on paper, but in the real world it barely works.

As a final note if you had rTMS and it worked so great, why are you posting on psychobabble? If it worked good this ought to be the last place you should be hanging out. If its legal in Canada, why are you having to construct your own rTMS machine...an act of desperation in my opinion.

Igor


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