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Re: Stimulants, how do you get them? » adamie

Posted by JohnX2 on November 7, 2001, at 19:33:36

In reply to Re: Stimulants, how do you get them? » JohnX2, posted by adamie on November 7, 2001, at 15:01:40


I think its time for either:

-stimulant
-MAO-B inhibitor - > Parnate,Selegilie
-anticonvulsant +- antidepressant (maybe lamictal or tegetrol?)

Not too many people get depressed on Parnate
or Selegiline..I don't believe. And the manerix
experiment wasn't really indicative of how
an MAO-B inhibitor, which helps with dopamine
like a stimulant, would help.

PS I don't believe that St. John's is ineffective.
The NIMH study was at 900 mg, and I believe 1800
mg is in order for major depression. It worked
for me, but not at 900. But I wouldn't recommend
it given you already went that route.

regards,
john


>
> it is hard to remember how many pdocs I have worked with. One was doctor Risman. I dont remember anything except that he was a yucki doctor. very arrogant. then some other pdoc I think but not sure. Then when I admit myself to the hospital I had another pdoc. so 3 and also my normal family doctor. Also there was a 4th pdoc but that was only for one day when they sent me to the high risk suicidal section in a new hospital.
>
> regarding the medications, nothing has worked so far. although 1 week on paxil I was feeling quite better. I was actually living again. But then that passed and I was feeling horrible again. After that All AD's I've tried made my depression worse. I did try some natural stuff. I thought SAM-e worked a bit the first time I tried it. But the second and third time it seemed to have no effect. Also adrafinil for 2 weeks, no effect. 5-htp I am not sure what effect it had had. once I thought it was making me better. Then later I felt as if it was making me feel worse. I also tried salmon oil. St John's wort until I realized it was not for severe depression.
>
> During this depression there were a few up periods but they ended.
>
> The meds I have tried aside from what I already mentioned are paxil, prozac, wellbutrin, effexor, celexa, and for an extremely short time depakote and anfranil. Oh and also I have had 6 ECT's which seemed to not help or just help a little.
>
> Regarding faking having ADD, I dont think I am capable of that. I just wouldn't be able to remember all the things necessary to pull this off. Hopefully a pdoc will prescribe a stimulant anyway.
>
> > > hi. There seem to be a lot of messages on this forum regarding stimulants. I myself am desperate for relief and I'm just wondering, how do you get these stimulants? Do your pdoc's prescribe them after several AD failures or do you get them by some other means? I am sick of feeling this way. If something can help after just one dose then I want it. I'm the type of guy who wouldn't even drink coffee but now my life is on the line. please reply
> >
> > Well, you could read up on the symptoms of
> > ADD and go to a new pdoc and fake out the
> > symptoms. Don't tell him you have ADD, but
> > talk about the depression and all your failed
> > trials on meds, and if he says to try a med
> > tell him you already did and it didn't work.
> > List symptoms of ADD. He'll give you a stealth
> > ADD quiz like asking you to recite the months
> > backwards or count backwards from 100 subtracting
> > by 7's. Then he'll mention a list of fruits,
> > change the conversation to something else then
> > ask you to list the fruits again. Tell him
> > you have a lot of trouble sitting still. You
> > feel calm driving your car or walking around or
> > when you have caffeine in your system, otherwise
> > you are antsy.
> >
> > If your depression has reached rock bottom and
> > all else has failed, a stimulant is a choice
> > that the psychiatrist should acknowledge, however.
> >
> > How many pdocs have you worked with and what to
> > date has had any positive effect?
> >
> > sorry about your delimma,
> > -john


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