Posted by Thrud on August 25, 2001, at 3:26:30
In reply to Re: Xanax and panic, Rick » Thrud, posted by Rick on August 24, 2001, at 16:23:30
Hi Rick.
Please let me thank you for your excellent and encouraging posting. Unfortunately for you, since you were so helpful I am afraid I must "pick your brain" a bit more! (I apologize beforehand.)
> Forgive me if you’ve already addressed this earlier in thread, but when you were on Remeron did you try augmentation strategies to restore sexual function? I recently read a study of augmentation with Wellbutrin (as I recall) that showed no significant restoration of sexual function vs. placebo. They both "worked" in something like 30% of the subjects.I have tried these as augmentaion therapies and they both further *reduced* my sexual function!
So did Gingko and L-Tyrosine! Viagra is okay for erection but does nothing for my desire or sensation (takes away the 'sponteneity' of sex as well).
The one you mention that I have not tried but has me interested is deprenyl. I am sceptical though because it is supposed to work by increasing dopamine...like Wellbutrin: and that failed.Still, I am very interested when you say....
> When I took a low doses (so no food restrictions) of the MAOI-B selegiline (aka Eldepryl, deprenyl, Junex (sp), etc) with Klonopin (and nothing else except a beta blocker), it actually led to *too much* sexual stimulation (+ cognitive enhancement). Selegiline is well known as a strong libido and performance enhancer.
.....this sounds great....
>But it is very stimulating overall, in a way that mildly reduced my social phobia benefits.
This is my fear: sexual dysfunction from benzos needs deprenyl. Nervousness from deprenyl needs more benzos etc ect...
Only one way to find out though!>as little as 2.5mg three times a week. My own “low dose” of seligiline was 5-10 mg/day, so in retrospect maybe I could’ve had the benefits without added anxiety if I had taken less. I’d definitely keep Selegiline augmentation (not solo!!!!!) in mind as something to consider if benzo sexual dysfunstion remains – but don’t use it with an AD!
After 10 years of ADs for panic disorder, I have learned to HATE them with a vengence. Compared to ADs, the side effects of benzos are like the morning dew (and since I must always take meds, addiction does not scare me)
>I've almost forgotten what insomnia is.At the moment the antianxiety effects of Xanax don't last all the way through to morning and I wake up a bit jittery. Still, before that happens I sleep like a baby: unlike the nightmare sleep while on ADs: vivid dreams, racing thoughts, constant waking, waking up "fogged"..
At least now I wake up a bit jittery, but fresh and clear headed. First good night's sleep in 10 years.
>found no increased benefit in panic disorder for 3mg/day vs. 2mg.Yes I read that on the Roche site. Very interesting.
> I'm sure this is old territory to you, but:
> -- Do you drink much?only socially
Benzos essentially double
> the impact of alcohol,Found out that one already!
> You may have already tried these suggestions, but you should go to the full-search page on this site, and you’ll come up with tons of personal experiences. Or just browse. And post again if you don’t get more responses to this. Also, if you haven’t already done so, visit and/or post and/or search through Usenet, especially alt.anxiety.panic. (You can do this all free through http://groups.google.com )
I will do this, espescially for the million dollar question: If I wait long enough, *will* my libido return when on benzos??????
Could I ask you a big favor? If you are firmly "enmeshed" in any of these groups, could you ask the million dollar question on my behalf and let me know the result? I have found that being a newbie often leads to being ignored, probably from asking questions that have been asked a zillion times before.
Many, many thanks.
Thrud
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