Posted by shelliR on August 22, 2001, at 1:09:38
In reply to Re: VERDICT/depersonalisation. » shelliR, posted by JahL on August 21, 2001, at 23:59:35
Hey Jahl,
> >I brought in all this stuff about buprenorphine because it was obvious that I've become habituated to the oxy, but he made a comment about if you're going to use opiates, use opiates. I'll try to ask him more when I see him on Thursday, what exactly he meant.
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> I'd be interested to know. I want yr doctor! :-)
You're welcome to split my 6 minute sessions; just come on over. He's right in this nation's capital, it could be an educational trip.> Nor do I. Tried it today. Maybe felt a little high/giddy to begin with but soon felt weak & light-headed. No niceness. After about 4 hrs I felt nauseous & extremely tired. Also felt kinda stoned/dumb. It takes about 12 hours to wear off & I'm glad it's outta my system. I don't see the point in continuing. It's my understanding that opioids should yield their benefits in mins/hrs, not days? Time to get some *real* opioids. No time left for messin about...
Well, I believe that Elizabeth said initially buph made her feel really nauseated, but immediately took away her depression. So I think the nausea would pass, but it doesn't sound like it did anything else good. Have you tried any other "real" opiates? Because lots of people say the same thing about them--that they make them sick in their stomach and disoriented. Me, I was an opiate girl first time around. I loved it (took it first for stomach pain). But with the depression, I don't get that pure wonderful high I got the first time. And now I'd settle for just getting rid of the depression.
I wonder if my pdoc's strategy is to find something else that works for me, then get me off the oxycontin. I don't believe he's just gonna go higher and higher. Once he said he couldn't justify going any higher than he put me on originially, so I'm not sure what changed his mind. I truely think he's trying to keep me alive. I am also.
I have the kind of depression that is extremely painful, like it hurts so much that I don't think I can stand it--sort of like physical pain. Do you have any of that type of depression some of the time (makes you want to die immediately) or more a constant lack of pleasure/enjoyment type feeling?
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> Something that may be of interest to you. I got in touch with this country's 1st specialist 'Depersonalisation Unit'. Looks like I may get to talk to a few clued-up academic types (as opposed to the psychoanalysis-obsessed frauds I'm used to). They're looking into pharmacologic treatments (& psychotherapeutic ones, but I'll overlook that...) for DD & associated
>dissociation disorders (which I believe you have?).I do have a DD, but it's much less painful than the depression in the last year. Also valium helps me with the dissociation. If I'm really depressed I can't take it because valium can make me more depressed. But normally, it grounds me. Does valium have any effect on you? Have you compared it to klonopin?
> They've got some interesting things to say. Apparently those with endogenous depression AND *severe* depersonalisation (ie ME) "may be less responsive to ADs & may require pharmacotherapy directed at the depersonalisation" (Nuller 1982). This makes sense in my instance & gives me a novel way of approaching my problem. I hear they're having a lot of success with Lamotrigine which of course helps me some. All v. interesting...
That is really interesting. How did you get in touch with these people? Are they going to meet with you? Lamotrigine did help me but I couldn't deal with the weight gain. Nardil and Lamictal (brand) was my best combination. It was the kind of weight that came off immediately after I stopped taking the pill. But I felt really uncomfortable all the time, like it wasn't my body. Let me know if they mention anything else. They may be onto something there (so what have they been doing since 1982?)
> Here's hoping the Wellbutrin's better than the Parnate (couldn't have been much worse, huh?).....
Thanks. Sorry about the buph.
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Shelli
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