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Posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 22:30:20
Covid.
Lockdowns in Sydney. Brisbane.
Singapore.
Fiji.
Hasn't made it's way to NZ yet...
But it's coming...
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They reckon about 2/3 compliance with vaccination in the US. Not sure how they are getting that number. Vermont is state with highest percentage of people vaccinated? Does that seem right?
Australia is saying they won't look at opening borders until 80 per cent compliance...
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They will start hoarding in NZ, again. So people can have 3rd doses.
Fairly sure.
Not entirely sure how that will work. With their health records etc...
It's a trade-off between enough of an immune response -- and not too much of an immune response.
Covid on the one hand (that might be fatal) and risk of inducing problems with too much antibody production (a kind of a clotting problem) or too much b cell proliferation (a kind of a cancer) on the other (that might be fatal).
Trade-off.
Gee... If only we had the cognitive capacity to make recommendations based on whether a person had a under or over productive immune system...NZ still doesn't believe in the utility of fit tested masks. The administration, I mean.
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I still am not sure how much the death rates have been increased because of Covid vs... The usual sorts of deaths.
I also think that we were in exponential population increase (globally) which could not have been sustained indefinately and that an event to curb poplulation was inevitable.
I see you can get virus testing for up to 24 different things. Respiratory viruses.
Including Covid vs RSV vs Influenza A vs Influenza B... Etc etc etc... If you have around $1,000... They can do 'em...
NZ still doesn't believe in the utility of saliva testing. The administration, I mean.
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Posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 22:36:33
In reply to it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 22:30:20
We have had time for people to stock up on oxygen tank scuba suits. People, in NZ, manage to go under-water diving while maintaining their respiratory system in the face of water. You would think that they could manage a secure ICU. Right? Right? Right? I mean, our hospitals aren't filled with the idiot children of senior officials -- right? They are filled with highly trained competent and skilled people who have had years to prepare for Covid coming -- right? Our hospitals aren't filled with 'clinicians' who have been struck off most everywhere else for incapacity and / or refusal to comply with health and safety regulations or best practice -- right? They are filled with intelligent and capable people who will follow best practice -- right? They have had years and years to get the gear and practice using the gear. All the down-times when people did not present to the hospital because they were in lock-down afraid. Nobody having heart attacks Monday because no work. Nobody getting in driving accidents because little driving.
They have had years to prepare. Years to practice. Years to get medical supplies.
How many millions did Ashley Bloomfield earn over that time?
How many billions did other Administrators collect up in their pay-checks?
Where are the trained staff? Where are the medical supplies?
Covid is coming, NZ. Are you ready??
Posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 22:42:01
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 22:36:33
The money just goes in an administration circle-jerk.
Mike whatever... Is being a foil. Articulating how things work.
The government apparently puts out an invitation or whatever for people to apply. They put out a 'we are looking for people to put in bids' for whatever.
So it is invitation only. In other words, they simply do not publicly advertise that they want various things to be done. The procurement process or whatever simply doesn't work. It is crony-ism is all that it is.
Then people (who were invited to apply and who were given applications) put in their applications... And the government selected from amongst those.
And the money always goes to administrators.
Ashley Bloomfield was all about how they would need to run a pilot as to whether the program was effective. They would need to collect data on that. To see if it was worth funding etc. In other words they would hemorrhage money to people to 'clean' data, to make up data to prove the f*ck*ng obvious. That having access to talk to counsellors is a nice thing for the government to fund for the kids of New Zealand.
But this same man (Ashley Bloomfield) didn't think there was enough evidnce to support NZers being required to wear face masks on public transport.
He didn't think there was enough evidence to support anybody other than trained medical professionals wearing face masks... For quite some time. The hospoitals were REFUSING to supply (or allow) their staff to wear face masks. They were all 'the public will be scared if people wear face masks in the hospitals'
That is to say he opens his mouth and sh*t falls out.
Garbage garbage garbage.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 22:53:12
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 22:42:01
They will not pay councellors to provide counceling sessions to kids in NZ.
They will not pay them.
They deny their qualifications.
They deny councelling is effective.
They refuse to pay anyone other than administrators.
They say that the money is to go to GP's and to clinical psychologists. That they are the people to do councelling and not councellors.
They ensure that there are not enough GPs and not enough clinical psychologists becuase they won't pay tehm unless they agree to become managers or administratiors in whcih case they can then take the money and ensure that nobody gets paid for providing councelling to the kids of New Zealand.
Tehy refuse to pay anyone other than managers and administrators in order to ensure taht there is no access to services or whatever in NZ.
They go 'if you don't like it then you can leave'.
Right. Leave administration to their slaves. Leave administration to slaves who have no option of leaving.
What does NZ Citizenship provide? Does it provide freedom of movement? When my passport expires... How am I to afford a new one? Is that freedom of movement? Will the government process my application for one? They don't appear capable of processing anything right now...
They don't pubically advertise employment. That is to say my citizenship has never enabled me to have full time employment in NZ.
I apparently am in debt to the government for 'essential items' like a fridge etc.
I apparently am in debt to the government for a studnet loan for qualiafications it will not acknowledge.
The NZ government keeps me as a slave... There does not appear to be any prospect for emplooyment to pay off debt.
It is unclear that it is possible to live within the law. Which the govenment does so as to have it's citizens branded and labelled by itself and overseas governments as undesirable criminals and as psychiatrically disturbed etc.
'We don't believe in bonding' (e.g., bonded labor. Where you pay off the cost of your training with a period of work) we believe in branding (Labelling or stigmatising or maiming or disabling) so as to keep slaves forever.
So NZ citizenship is worth precisely...
Uh...
Precisely...
I can't reneg it. Throw it away. Because then I would be stateless.
What is the difference between where I am now and being stateless?
I get a 'payment' each week from the government calleld 'supported living' for my 'disability' that means I am apparenatly 'incapable of full time work' -- otherwise I would get nothing at all.
This is how the government keeps me. This is how the government keeps many of it's people.
So...
What is the UN going to do...
Process the asylum seekers. Because the administration does not change. They were not elected. They are not doing any of the things they are supposed to do. They refuse to share the moeny and resources around. Good people cannot function in NZ. We will not train skilled staff. We will not employ them. We will not pay them. We rely on an endless succession of poached workers from developing nations.
So our borders get shut down.
So 'do not travel to NZ' gets issued to people of various countries.
So we cannot process visa applciations anymore. We cannot process residency applications anymore.
Still we refuse to enrol and refuse to train and refuse to sign off. We refuse to publically advertise. We refuse to employ people who are compeetnt. We refuse to pay them. W e refuse to provide working conditions sucsh that they can function.
This constant f*ck*ng battle that life is here. Because of how administration refuses to allow the people to function.
There's nothing here.
Bring on the Covid. Some people sure as hell need to go. Time to go. Time to f*ck*ng go psychopaths. Nasty Bruitish and Short. How you determined your life must be.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 23:06:46
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 22:53:12
I've been watching things in Rhode Island because.... I don't know. Because it is small. So it seemed tractable. In some way. To get a bit of a handle on a small region rather than a big one. Also because of location. Sort of central, but sort of out of the way. If that makes sense. Maybe 4 hours drive east from NY. A few hours from Connecticut. An hour and a bit south from Boston.
And then various things seemed... Prophetic. I don't know.
A got me thinking, some.
There was a private-public hospital merger that I wasn't sure what to make of to start with.
But it seems that it is progress. That things needed to progress in the public hospital. Things were needing to improve. That the merger is a move in an improvement direction.
Like it seemed that the state taking control of the schools was a move in the right direction but difficult... Things are not good, there, in the public sector. But you have to face up to things being not good before you can get a handle on what is going on to get in some improvements...
Anyway... Trying to follow what is going on with the Elenor Slator hospital... And thinking about what is going on with the public hospitals of New Zealand...
One thing they found was someone who they thought was gone. They thought was fired. Who, it turned out, was still on pay-roll. Not going to work. But still on pay-roll.
And it got me curious about who is on pay-roll in our public hospitals. As in, where the money goes. Who actually is on pay-roll. Because, I suppose, there would be alumni donar lists where we can see that darling little junior's parents or grandparents paid $20,000 in order for him to get a $10,000 top anatomy student scholarship, or however that goes. And I suppose there would be similar sorts of things where some people are paid very very cheaply indeed in exchange for... I don't know. Passing themselves off as senior clinician. To simply disguise or hide the fact that the DHB refuses to supply and pay one. So I imagine some people are paid a hell of a lot less than people would think they would be paid. Because they are actually paying the hospital or the university or whatever for the esteemed titles or whatever.
And I also imagine there will be people who don't turn up. Who none of the people who turn up even know who that is. Who are the real money earners. Who knows if they are even located in NZ. Who knows how or why they got inserted into the payroll even.
The records are being hacked, recently. And threats of them being made available online etc. I am not going to try and access any of that. Because it is pointless. Maybe it was altered? Maybe it wasn't. Whatever. But I bet the records of where the money goes are a real f*ck*ng mess. I bet.
The country feels gutted.
When I came back from overseas... When I came up to Auckland. The place just feels gutted. The libraries.. The University... Doesn't really feel like there's anybody home. It just feels empty and gutted. Full of vagrants. Children with no mothers. No professors. Not really. No journals. No conferences. No visiting speakers.. No work in progress. Gutted.
So why wouldn't they let me contribute to development?
Because they are mean spirited f*ck*ng arseholes. Best I can figure. Because they enjoy being kings of the rubbish. Because they seek to be masters of slaves. Because they are nasty people. I'm struggling to see anything else...
Empty.
Yeppers.
Nobody home.
Come on Covid. Here comes the UN. Thank God.
Time to go administration of New Zealand. Grossly incompetent.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 23:15:29
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 23:06:46
And that is the thing... About Ashley saying they wouldn't pay counsellors because they refused to accept their qualifications, and because the government didn't put out a call for applications, so there wasn't anything to apply for funding for, and because the government hadn't done a pilot study, and because the government wasn't going to do follow up studies as to effectiveness...
And you couple that...
With the fact that Ashley refused to allow nurses and cleaners and so on to wear face masks in the hospitals on the grounds that it would frighten the public. His refusal to accept that wearing face masks was accepted as best practice for reducing transmission in USA and in China and in Australia... His refusal to accept the evidence that they accepted. His refusal to acknowledge that they judged that to be best practice and refusal to allow people to comply with best practice in China and USA and Australia...
Refusal to require in public transport.
You can see he isn't evidence driven. He isn't science driven.
It's like the people who come to snap quick judgements and then defend them to the death. The (poor) quality of reasoning that they engage in becuase they've already made up their mind. The lengths they will go to to 'clean' their data to show whatever they want to show. It's the same cognitive deficit of people where there are none so blind as those who will not see. An.. Incapaciaty. Unwillingness.
Like that demonstrated by people who denied that women were people.
Like that demoinstrated by people who denied that black people were people.The administrators of NZ who deny that the people of NZ are people.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 7, 2021, at 18:26:32
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on July 31, 2021, at 22:53:12
alex what do you think is coming, not for new zealand, but like the world....society is changed forever and diffrent countries have been effected in diffrent ways, some very worse.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 8, 2021, at 21:01:23
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by rjlockhart37 on August 7, 2021, at 18:26:32
What do I think is coming for the world?
Well...
I am not sure about Covid... I think it was likely made or discovered in a laboratory in Hong Kong. I think Hong Kong said 'wear a face mask -- stand with Hong Kong' a good half year before Covid was released. It was released after the people of Hong Kong were wearing their very best gas masks etc to deal with smoke bombs and pepper spray from Chinese authorities...
I think Trump calling Covid the 'Chinese Virus' is a bit of a nod to that. 'Okay, you win, Hong Kong is part of China. Therefore it is the China virus. Welcome to responsibility.'
That was the first NZ authorities had heard of this little thing called 'rule of law'. Why it was that we were supposed to stand for Hong Kong. It was supposed to be that we were supposed to stand for Hong Kong having rule of law. Like we have rule of law.
Yeah, right. We don't even know what rule of law means.
It is written into Australias constitution that NZ is a state of Australia. I don't know that that has been properly rescinded by Australia. I mean to say that Taiwan wants to be independent from China and have a seat on the UN. NZ wants to be independent from Australia and have a seat on the UN. But the Minster of Foreign Affairs of NZ at the time said that Taiwan should 'go home to your master'. That is to say, he thought that the Chinese leaders were comparared or comparable to slave-master and in the face of that his position was that Taiwan should do what it was told.
That's the moral high ground you see in the leadership of NZ.
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The UN has gathered much evidence of human rights abuses carried out relatively recently in China. Involuntary detention and organ harvesting etc.
And what do the 'rule by law' nations do in response to this? Stand for rule of law? Or turn a blind eye because they don't value the people of China?
NZ has made it's position clear. We want to turn a blind eye. We want to emulate this false ideology that we have of China committing all these human rights abuses. This is what our leaders of this tiny little tin-pot nation aspire to. They aspire to the Harems of the leaders of the middle-east. They aspire to the slave trading human traffickers of Malaysia... They pick out the very worst things they see and aspire to those... They fail to see that the rest of the world has moved on... Wants to move on... Is moving on... Is developing. Just not NZ.
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Covid came at a... Fortuitous?? Time. It came just before things were collapsing. Things were just on the verge of collapsing. Just prior to Covid. In NZ... The general line or view... People were exhausted. Slaves having been driven into the ground. People didn't need to be told twice to stay home and no go to work tomorrow. People were about dropping dead of work.
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I don't know the numbers on global population levels.
There is such a thing as carrying capacity... You can't keep exponentially increasing the population forever... Something will happen to curb the population back.
We won't give people access to birth control. We just won't.
So... Covid comes. And many people die.
I was trying to get a handle on whether the death rate was actually higher than normal with Covid (if Covid lockdowns were mostly political).
I think there was more to it than just re-classifying deaths as being from Covid...
I don't know if the death rate had been increasing out of pace with the increasing number of people in the poplualtion?
If there was a sudden jump in the death rate... Or if it was part of a general trend...
I don't know. I suspect there was a bit more to it than that..._____
I think they were coming for people. The medics. And so on. I think bodies were piling up in the streets. I think there were many... Opportunities. For various people to be got rid of.
I think it would be disingenuous to deny that.
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Things needed to change.
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The change...
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Part of it was 5G I think. Honestly.
The vast volumes of high quality AV that can be transmitted in real time.
That can be stored.
That has enabled high quality surveillance of everything.
Everything.
Everything.
Every single thing.
Every little thing.___
All the war crimes of the leaders of the world...
Everything.
All of the false documentation.
All of the people wrongly accused and mislabelled by their governments as criminal offenders as violent as mentally ill.
Like me. Like how my government has labelled me as such.
All of the evidence.
So it is relatively straightforward for them to look into a person and see what their deal is...___
So...
What use will the information be put?
___It is important, I think, to not think that the calvary will ride in on their white horses... That doesn't seem to be the thrust or gist of things these days...
But... You know... Samoa had an election and the person who has been appointed leader... She seems... Like a person. Not like a... Um... Tyrant autocrat. She is saying health is a priority. Their people are not doing well. Did not do well with Measles. Will be decimated by Covid. Things need to change in Samoa. The people are not doing well.
Things need to change in NZ also. The people are not doing well. We are a supposedly developed nation... But we persistently try and hover around the bottom of that and secretly aspire to all of the evils of developing nations being held back by tyrant autocrat sadists who are too stupid to realise how evil they are.
Very high rates of suicide. ANd a lot of those are really government bullying them to death. And I'm sure at least some are really state murder.
Things are not good here. Things need to change.
___A Canadian navy ship is here. Practically out my window ahahaha. Maybe Candada will save us. Haha. It is the first navy ship to arrive... The northern hemisphere is sending ships to these regions...
Things need to change here.
We don't have Universities.
We don't have a health system.Jeepers.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:02:17
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on August 8, 2021, at 21:01:23
I mean...
I emailed the USA people... The people who say that you need to be enrolled in an approved Medical School in order to sit the Step Examinations to practice Medicine in the USA. I emailed them to basically inform them that NZ Medical Schools appeared to only be selecting people who they thought would fail the examinations and they appeared to only be training people in such a way that they would be prevented from passing those examinations... Maybe partly a set-up so that certain people (the kids of the senior officials) would get to go to the USA because, by default, they were thrust in that direction as the only option... But to basically complain about how the people with capacity or capability were being selected against.
And I asked them if I could sit the examinations without being enrolled in Medical School. Because my time wasn't filled up with busy-work giving Medical Students or involuntary detainees belly-rubs all day... My day wasn't filled up with 'aw there there feel better you are sooooooo motivating and inspiring' to all the sexual offending wrongful-death-bringers or baby-sitting employees of the Universities of New Zealand.
They said no...
But I see that subsequently (for various reasons, I know) they have gotten rid of this notion that your Step 1 score gives you a ranking score to be used for the purposes of informing you what 'band',if you like, of specialities you should apply to or for.
Because... Suppose you are from a small town with a small town click of a specialist clinic. Then I guess they will likely have a place for you if you graduate from somewhere... If you want in to what is at least in part a family business. The Step score is not terribly relevant. And suppose you want to be Pediatrician or Family because... Because that's the right fit for you. For your personality. But you end up doing dermatology because you could. For no other reason. That's a tragedy. Not for the managers who like everything to be about the money and everyone to be forced to do the nastiest lowest stupididist worstest fit they can because they like to inforce nastiness on the world... But from any other perspective you like...
The Universities in the US did a... Waiver of the entry test.
Partly because of the cheating thing. Operation Varsity Blues. I haven't seen the movie. But the idea that people were cheating the system. It wasn't a fair system.
If you encourage people to put in 80 applications then saying that a University is highly selective or highly competitive because they get 80x as many applicants as there are available places... Is a scummy scam of a hoax.
The situation is that... The Universities (particularly the Ivy's) are not getting applications. They aren't getting them. They aren't getting applications from gifted and talented... Because that whole thing has been... The signal has been... It is unclear that they want them, anyway... They don't have any money. I think. Or... They are held hostage to people with money intent on gaming the system for personal advantage never mind the broader reaching or longer term things they don't have the capacity to much see or worry about...
Anyway...
ACC is a huge scam in NZ. They have set up computer systems now to deny or decline claims. Then I suppose there is a human over-ride that is authorised by senior officials for political reasons only. Like our quarantine. Like everything in NZ.
NZ shows the world where the world is headed (nasty, bruitish and short) if they don't do various of the things they are doing to prevent society from falling apart.
The rule of law that you have in the US etc. It isn't perfect, I know. But it is so many miles and light years ahead of NZ.
It is f*ck*ng soul destroying living in a country where so many people have to spend their entire f*ck*ng lives all the f*ck*ng energy that they have cry cry cry cry crying for the most basic of needs that would simply be granted most anywhere else lin the world. This constant nastiness and withholding and incapacitating and disabling and this horrible nastiness of people sh*tt*ng in their own backyard. Sh*tt*ng on their neighbours. Sh*tt*ng on their town or their city. Sh*tt*ng on their country. Just sh*tt*ng on everything. Taking up all the resources for themselves and leaving everybody else in the sh*t. Thinking that no matter how bad things get in NZ no matter how small the pie is kept just so long as you are head of the rubbish master of the slaves the pinnacle of the lowest valley... Your tiny little world is a okay.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:10:47
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:02:17
Subsequently... NZ does not appear to be an approved Medical School, from the perspective of the USA.
There was this thing about where the Otago students were doing their Medical Internships... And they were not going to the USA. I think a couple (very small minority) went into Canada. Various went to Australia.
The majority went 'developing nation'-wards.
And various were found to have gone to places where there is a known issue or problem with them handing over money and getting their photos taken in scrubs before being sent off and out for tourism activities and they were not in attendance at the hospital for the vast bulk of the duration of their internship.
I think in the US you need a Step 1 score before you can do an internship. I think that means NZers are not having Step 1 scores. I think in NZ they encourage people to think that you do Step 1 two years out of Medical School. ANd then our hospitals are so under-staffed that the duration of shifts is spent busy busy busy busy busy. That is to say there is no surge capacity. That is to say there is no scope for you to be in the hospital working on research papers or whatever during down-time.
We are all about how low we can go. How ignorant we can keep our workers. How little we can pay them...
I'm not complaining about senior doctor pay. I'm complaining about how they will only hire them as senior doctors if they consent to work in appalling conditions whereby consent is denied to their patients.
There was some... Glitch. Between the Nurses Union making the complaints about the money always. Then... Something happened. International intervention. Something sensible was said. Something along the lines of 'no amount of money will ever be enough to offer someone to not be able to perform their job that they wanted to do and that they worked to train for'. They made it be about unsafe staffing levels. The government pointed out that declining the pay increase on grounds that it wasnn't abotu the money it was about the unsafe staffing levels meant they were rejecting the proposal that the union had put to the government. In other words, the nursing union was a major instigator in making it be all about the money (where there will never be enough) and preventing it being abou the working conditions (and a job worth doing).
And now the doctors are saying they will strike. And the union is saying it is about the money.
The unions are a problem. The union leaders are particularly problematic. They are usually people who are clinically trained who do not practice because they make more monehy being union leaders. Union leaders are themselves management or administration. Misusing and abusing the union fees for their own personal or private advantage.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:12:15
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:10:47
NZ is a little case study in appreciation.
People come here from overseas and go 'I didn't realise how lucky I was (back home with all the things there are there)'.
Nothing makes people appreciate the value of home (all the other nations in the world) like a little trip to NZL.
People come here from overseas and say 'we don't realise how lucky we are'.
WHich I think they usually mean ironically. If we knew... How little we have. How idiotic our rulers are...
Posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:37:17
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:12:15
People who come here with enough money to be rich... To be self-sufficient. To be able to have slaves of their own should they desire them... Seem to quite like it here. If they can do the wheeling and dealing they might take quite well to how the road is smoothed before them the path is clear. People will make phone calls and things will happen for them. They will be allowed... Various things will happen... They will find that their computer finds a place in quarantine should they want one. They will find their ACC claim approved. They will find their scholarship applications will be successful. They will find jobs should they seek them. They will find high paying jobs should they seek them. They will find money in their bank account that is theirs to do what they will with. Life is good for them. Life has been smoothed.
If only they don't mind or can turn away or pretend not to notice how sickly the people look. How... Gamma baby like. In their black uniforms. Shivering in the cold.
If only they don't mind or can turn a blind eye to the quality of the supposed art...
If they lack those kinds of sensibilities.
If they don't have self-preservation instinct. Or if they simply get all their healthcare overseas... If they don't worry about needing to rely on the public ED...
I suppose they don't know how bad things are in the hospitals. And how private hospitals don't buy you a higher level of competence. Much of the time it's the very same clinicians as those who were trained in the public sector. The clinicians who chose to cheat their way into med. cheat their med exams. cheat the sign off. who chose to engage in unethical research. Who chose to clean their data. who chose to participate in non-consenting procedures. wrongful deaths. sexual violations. the character traits we selected for. the years and years and years of indoctrination and training...
To produce 'medical doctors' that we could send up to Indonesia and the like to go get the problematic leaders and senior officials.
No?
No?
That's not the form of modern day warfare?
Look out people... If you collapse / give up... The medics will get you. If you are lucky their medics will get you. If you are very very unlucky indeed then our medics will get you.
The leaders of NZ have a genocide wish upon their own people.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:43:13
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:37:17
Because to pass the ethics test is to fail.
Because there is no medicine here.
No healthcare.
There is no education here.
I mean you can learn anything anything anything you like -- just so long as it isn't reading writing and arithmetic. Just so long as you want to make up stats to support the party line and just so long as you will only say what things are in support of the party line then you can have all the money and titles and awards and jobs and public recognition. For spouting the party line.
Just the other day in the news we learned that Des Gorman is not the One employee of the University of Auckland Medical School. Someone else was allowed to have an opinion. But only to say that Des Gorman was not the sole employee of the University of Auckland Medical School and Des Gorman did not speak on behalf of the Medical School or of the University.
Now everybody needs to stop! Immediately! Slow the roll! Stop!! Stop!!! Nonononononooonononononononononononononono everybody knows that Des Gorman is the Only Chosen One who gets to speak for the entire medical profession.
Here is what Des Gorman has to say: Correlation does not prove causation so the fact that you (who have an occupation) have a medical condition does not prove that there is an association such that ACC or the government will pay for your medical treatment. No medical treatment for you. Die. Die. Die.
That's the party line.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:52:32
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:43:13
He also said (someone said for him. it was written by someone, likely foreign. in this fake thing that we like to call 'news')...
He also said (implied it) that Des Gorman was speaking from his own opinion only when he said that the success of NZL Covid response was merely luck.
He said that parts or aspects of the success were due to good decisions / good management.
The implication (though not as strong an implication) was that he, also, was speaking from his own opinion. And not from the opinion of the University.
Or... Maybe the idea was to raise the question or issue in everybody's mind as to whether there had been a coo or take-over of the University such that Des Gorman was having power wrested out of his cold dead fingers and this new person has ursurped him as speaker of university truth...
Because that's how de-evolved 'education' has become... has ended up as being... the highest ranked university in nzl.
The VC also had an opinion that was attributed to her. That Des Gorman had an opinion and did not speak on behalf of the Univesrity. But is that only her opinion or was that truth of the University because she said it??
Oh my oh my!!!!! Let's stop the world and ponder whether the truth of the University is teh truth of the University because Des Gorman said it? Because the VC said it? Or... If they said it because they perceived that it was true...
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His was a good opinion to be fair. It is not fair to the many people who have worked very hard on the Covid Response to say that their hard work had nothing to do with keeping Covid out. Many people have worked very hard and made a lot of sacrifices... And their efforts have helped. I think it is important to reflect on that.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:55:37
In reply to Re: it's coming..., posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2021, at 18:43:13
no but really the whole entire world must stop because the majority of the leaders of nzl don't understand that just because they like chocolate ice-cream the best doesn't mean that nobody else gets to have chocolate ice-cream ever because there isn't enough chocolate ice-cream in the world to inflict what they most want upon everybody else whether everybody else wants it or not..
that's the level of stupid.
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