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Posted by sigismund on November 17, 2013, at 15:28:32
In reply to Re: classical music » alexandra_k, posted by johnLA on November 16, 2013, at 23:46:32
> i recommend his symphonies #2,5 and of course 9.
Yes, his second is underestimated, though the phrasing (?) in the last movement needs to be done carefully.
I was reading about Stalingrad (or the advance thereon) while listening to it obsessively (sp?). It is the feel of the French Revolution but I felt it might be transposed to (at that point, in some people's minds) an optimistic phase of history.
The Brandenburg Concertos. Good place to start.
Posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 17:15:35
In reply to classical music, posted by alexandra_k on November 15, 2013, at 16:33:52
1680's german baroque meets 1990's west coast hip-hop.
i'm pretty sure mozart would approve of this;
awesome message too. and, i'm not even into rap.
Posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 17:40:47
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect', posted by sigismund on November 17, 2013, at 15:19:50
'Yeah, the Marriage of Figaro is so great and so cynical. Reading the lyrics along with the music is illuminating.'
and yes, mozart's librettist was wonderful at sneaking in some very fun lyrics. poor italians all seem to die in the end of their operas. lol
i always wanted to ask a girl to get married during the aria of 'voi che sapete' in act 1 of figaro...
sigi did you know that some art snobs (critics) consider 'nozze di figaro' the greatest work of art of all-time?
very subjective of course. but, something to ponder. opera can fuse together all of the classic 7 art forms. often in perfect harmony.
still, i believe opera works best live.
you might like this too; (i may have posted this earlier?) the ancient greeks considered music to be the greatest of the 7 arts. why? because it brought you 'closest' to the gods emotionally. interesting i think.
unfortunate that plato and his crew did not get to hear the stuff we do.
maybe more unfortunate that we know no little of their music. only the words for the most part.
one of the reasons that the illiad and the odyssey were written in meter was because it was told/spoken/sung with musical accompaniment.
homer may have been the first rapper...
Posted by sigismund on November 17, 2013, at 18:12:23
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » sigismund, posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 17:40:47
I was entranced by the deep scorn behind this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQsI1xCslTM
I thought, oh wow!
Posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 19:20:40
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » johnLA, posted by sigismund on November 17, 2013, at 18:12:23
'I thought, oh wow!'
yes!
very good sigi. :)
this is all very triggering for me, i must admit. you made me cry. lol
f*ck it. it's been 3+ years since i listened to opera. i used to go a few times a season. believe it or not, los angeles puts on some good productions. though though not as many these past few years. i wonder if they know i have not been going? he-he. actually, opera is dying. just like jazz sadly...
here is one right back at ya' sigi. i don't know you, but i have a feeling there is a romantic heart in you. this is the aria i mentioned earlier. i was lucky to hear fredirika von stade sing it in the 80's. mind you i grew-up as a athlete. wanted to be a professional. then, i found opera and thought i sure wish i could do that instead...
Posted by alexandra_k on November 17, 2013, at 20:25:28
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » johnLA, posted by sigismund on November 17, 2013, at 18:12:23
Thanks for the suggestions! I am working my way through them.
I"m having some trouble replying to individual's posts...
Posted by baseball55 on November 17, 2013, at 20:30:15
In reply to 'mozart effect' » baseball55, posted by johnLA on November 16, 2013, at 23:34:55
The thing with Mozart is he wrote some of the most sublime music imaginable. But when you've written 41 symphonies starting at age 8, they're not all going to be great. Mostly I love Mozart. One of my very favorite all time movies is Amadeus.
Tom Lehrer, in one of his comedy acts said -- it's a sobering thought to realize that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for ten years.
I never took music history. Actually, maybe I'll try to sit in on a course this summer. Would be really fun, I imagine.
> ha!
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> 'mozart...he wrote a lot of junk.'
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> love it baseball55...
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> i taught music history for almost 30 years to 12th graders. i LOVED mozart. in fact, i would tell the kids that if i was only allowed 3 albums to take to a deserted island they would be 1. miles davis' 'kinda blue' 2. the beatles rubber soul/revolver or marvin gaye's 'what's going on and 3! the absolute 'must have' mozart's 'marriage of figaro/nozze di figaro.'
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> have you ever been to a mozart opera? it's quite sublime. even for the most cynical classical taste, i feel.
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> i would tell the kids that if mozart were alive today they would 'dig him!' he'd probably have a purple mohawk, tattoos/piercings, and be all excited about the latest rapper he was about to 'drop-in' to one of his works was well as a dj from turkey for good measure. lol
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> plus, his libretist, was quite good at sneaking in some double innuendos while the beautiful music was performed.
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> i so miss loving his music. and, teaching it too.
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> i remember coming across studies about the 'healing' properties of mozart's music specifically. brief periods of higher iq, less pain for those suffering from physical problems. curious to see if any work has been done about mental healing and mozart. again, it was specifically mozart's music and not others.
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> sigh.
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> since my depression i don't listen to music much anymore. so very strange. it was one of the biggest parts pf my life. i 'try' to listen to miles and coltrane and it is just noise now. marvin gaye just makes me feel sad because i can't 'feel' what i used to feel with him. even john lennon's voice sounds different to me. how can the brain change so much?
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> i drive withe music off. and, rarely play music at home. it is very triggering for me...
Posted by baseball55 on November 17, 2013, at 20:43:39
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » sigismund, posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 19:20:40
Frederika Von Stade. Blast from the past. One of the greatest mezzo's ever. I was trained in classical voice. Learned German and French (loved Schubert and Faure songs) and enough Italian to understand what I was singing. Figaro is great. Don Giovanni my favorite.
'I thought, oh wow!'
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> yes!
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> very good sigi. :)
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> this is all very triggering for me, i must admit. you made me cry. lol
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> f*ck it. it's been 3+ years since i listened to opera. i used to go a few times a season. believe it or not, los angeles puts on some good productions. though though not as many these past few years. i wonder if they know i have not been going? he-he. actually, opera is dying. just like jazz sadly...
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> here is one right back at ya' sigi. i don't know you, but i have a feeling there is a romantic heart in you. this is the aria i mentioned earlier. i was lucky to hear fredirika von stade sing it in the 80's. mind you i grew-up as a athlete. wanted to be a professional. then, i found opera and thought i sure wish i could do that instead...
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> http://youtu.be/gA3yuwDq2H4
Posted by Partlycloudy on November 18, 2013, at 10:25:53
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » sigismund, posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 19:20:40
I can be extremely triggered by music. Don't dare play any while driving unless it is picked out right before I get behind the wheel.
Once I had to be the passenger of a trip through Alligator Alley, across the Everglades in Florida, and hear most of Frank Zappa's output. I was ready to jump in and take my chances with the 'gators. I was shaking by the end.
Posted by sigismund on November 24, 2013, at 22:33:45
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » sigismund, posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 19:20:40
> but i have a feeling there is a romantic heart in you
Ridiculously romantic. Too romantic and un-Australian to be an athlete :) But I can be romantic about them too, at times. Who was that charming Olympic diver....Mathew someone?
That is very similar to the Figaro I have, also with Solti and F v Stade, but perhaps a different production.
Nice to listen to in the mornings, so clear.
Posted by sigismund on November 24, 2013, at 22:39:58
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect', posted by baseball55 on November 17, 2013, at 20:30:15
What were the ages of their deaths. Mozart 33? Keats 26? Schubert 31? (That was a guess) Purcell 26? (Another guess)
We could learn something from them in their acceptance. (Another guess as to how easily Purcell anyway accepted it.)
Posted by baseball55 on November 25, 2013, at 18:40:10
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » baseball55, posted by sigismund on November 24, 2013, at 22:39:58
> What were the ages of their deaths. Mozart 33? Keats 26? Schubert 31? (That was a guess) Purcell 26? (Another guess)
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> We could learn something from them in their acceptance. (Another guess as to how easily Purcell anyway accepted it.)I think Mozart was 35. I just heard on the radio that Chopin wrote his second piano concerto (in my opinion, one of the best ever written) at the age of 19.
Did Schubert die that young? Didn't know that. I'll look it up. I know Schumann suffered from severe bipolar and spent years of his life in asylums.
Why is it that so many of the very greatest classical composers were German or Austrian? I mean, think about it -- Bach, Mozart, Hayden, Handel, Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Wagner, Mahler -- on and on.
Posted by Twinleaf on November 25, 2013, at 20:25:04
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » sigismund, posted by baseball55 on November 25, 2013, at 18:40:10
Sadly, both Schubert and Shumann most likely died of tertiary syphilis.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 11:56:30
In reply to classical music, posted by alexandra_k on November 15, 2013, at 16:33:52
> anybody into it?
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> i've realized that i'm loving electronic music because i'm finding it mentally stimulating so it wakes me up but not attention grabbing (i think mostly in virtue of lack of lyrics) so i'm able to focus on reading / writing while gaining the benefits of mental alertness.
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> but alertness / wakefulness is what i'm going for. maybe playfulness. not sleepiness. not too boomy / dramatic / attention capturing. does this make sense?
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> any recommendations?
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>Very difficult to recommend because taste is so varied. I especially like these:
A bit of Vivaldi (with score), eg. RV242 (a very stimulating one!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPxkUlp3rs4
GF. Handel. Opus 6, Concerti Grossi. I think they were published around 1740. Very well known gems of the Baroque era. Something for all moods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqksy-991sI
TG. Albinoni. Opus. 10, concerti a cinque (much less well known than the Handel). Well worth getting to know if you enjoy this style of music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J4mWbpzZvs
...the first concerto is not the most unique of the set. I suggest the one at 59:20 mins as a good example, but there are many.
Something spiritual? I suggest the Stabat Mater by Vivaldi. Here's a little clip of the song, which was used in the film The Talented Mr. Ripley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDZ83_ABa4Q
Or maybe Giorgio Allegri's pure and sublime Miserere mei, Deus 'Have Mercy on me, O God'. This recording is amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKj1iK2WKS8
And now to England. One of the greatest works of 17th century music, Henry Purcell's opera Dido and Aeneas. A very mournful song from the opera 'When I am laid in Earth' which could be a trigger for some. But it is exquisite. This sample including the introductory recitative.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGQq3HcOB0Y
Oh I just found this. Cory Hall (Florida pianist) playing a JS. Bach transcription of one of Vivaldi's Op. 3 concertos for YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y87FWH5dBNo
If anyone likes Domenico Scarlatti's highly unique Spanish influenced Baroque keyboard music, here is a great little example... (played here on a highly expensive looking electric piano). Not sure exactly when this piece was written, maybe about 1740.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWqwOFCwl68
Or for relaxation, maybe Christoph Gluck's Dance of the Blessed Spirits from Orfeo ed Euridice (Vienna, 1762).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nFqbJgGkyc
Moving a few hundred years forward to 1936 and across to America, how about Samual Barber's devine Adagio for Strings from Opus 11? Either the original string quartet or the lush orchestrated version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV3SHBFyDZM
Anyone who's now feeling totally Classicaled out should finish off with a bit of pure and cheesy dance pop. Perhaps the Scissor Sisters...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsPOI0YxA3E
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 12:07:06
In reply to Re: classical music YES, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 11:56:30
Oh and how could I forget the Brandenburgs. This is a great one...
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 12:23:16
In reply to 'mozart effect' » baseball55, posted by johnLA on November 16, 2013, at 23:34:55
>have you ever been to a mozart opera? it's quite sublime. even for the most cynical classical taste, i feel.
I've been to six I think. Mozart's operas were a lot more dramatically entertaining that earlier operas. I like earlier music, but the recitative-aria-recitative-aria blah blah is not very entertaining after 2 hours. The best Mozart I ever saw was a brilliant performance of the Magic Flute, with only a piano and a few instrumentalists. The singers were amazing, the comedy was actually funny (as opposed to lame, which can easily happen with less skillful singers/performers). It was all very intimate in such a small hall. Far better than the sort of place where you need binoculars.
I also remember a great outdoor performance of the Marriage of Figaro (fortunately it was a nice sunny evening, even by English standards).
I tire of music very quickly if I'm feeling anxious or down. You do have to be in the right frame of mind to start with, and then music can enhance it. On the other hand, I do remember hearing some Bach recently on a particularly bad day, and it did touch me.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 12:53:53
In reply to cuz i can't stop... » alexandra_k, posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 17:15:35
>1680's german baroque meets 1990's west coast hip-hop.
Cool thanks, and I love Pachelbel's canon! Don't know much other Pachelbel. I think he mainly wrote for the church organ, which I don't much enjoy.
My favourite Coolio is this one. Great song IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oU_F0yS-Bo
I only recently realised it's based on a Stevie Wonder song. Must admit I prefer the Coolio version though.
I tend to prefer originals but sometimes I'm unsure. Take Handel's very popular Ombra mai Fu from Serse/Xerxes or whatever it's called. I chose this performance because Andreas Scholl is so good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsbYGdCQsgk
Anyway, Handel's Ombra mai Fu was based on the 'same' piece by Giovanni Bononcini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja4t5ymEYkk
And Bononcini's version was based on the 'same' piece by Francesco Cavalli.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a1IIMBq7Lg
Which do you prefer?
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 13:00:05
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » sigismund, posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 17:40:47
>still, i believe opera works best live.
Oh it does. I like listening to arias in isolation but I could never sit at home and listen to an entire opera on a CD. I'd get bored. It would end up on in the background like an episode of Holby City. My attention span gets worse and worse.
My experience at the Royal Opera House (London) wasn't the best. I can't see very far at the best of times and the place is much too big. Smaller performances can be so much better.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 13:05:14
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » baseball55, posted by sigismund on November 24, 2013, at 22:39:58
Hi Sigi,
>Purcell 26? (Another guess)
Purcell wasn't old when he died, but he lived longer than that. I suspect you're thinking of Pergolesi, who did die at 26. Still, he managed to write some impressive stuff in his short life. I like this one.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 13:47:50
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect', posted by alexandra_k on November 17, 2013, at 20:25:28
> Thanks for the suggestions! I am working my way through them.
>
> Im having some trouble replying to individual's posts...I'm sure no one will expect it - but for sure you have plenty to go at! :)
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 14:31:40
In reply to Re: classical music, posted by johnLA on November 17, 2013, at 0:07:41
> here is some mozart junk. (lol);
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> http://youtu.be/1m-P9opKei0The flute and harp. I love it! It made me think of another concerto I like with harp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8vMHTvdoEQ
Except at bedtime. I think it's best to follow something relaxing with something more energising. I love this one, esp. the 3rd mvmt at 4:39, it's less than 2 mins so everyone should listen to this bit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIWXjxwYxyQ
Posted by sigismund on November 26, 2013, at 15:33:08
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 13:05:14
Purcell fathered 6 children, I read on wiki, which wasn't bad going for a man who lived only to 36.
Schubert seems to have been 31 when he died.
I get Pergolesi mixed up with that harpsichord person from Italy. Who was he Eddy? You once put up a link to him. My mind is going. Will that make things better?
Posted by sigismund on November 26, 2013, at 15:34:37
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on November 26, 2013, at 15:33:08
Ah, Scarlatti.
Thanks Eddy. I will listen to your links with interest.
Posted by sigismund on November 26, 2013, at 15:36:42
In reply to Re: classical music, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 14:31:40
The flute and harp concerto was the first Mozart piece I listened to obsessively. I didn't come out of the drawing room.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 26, 2013, at 16:35:26
In reply to Re: 'mozart effect' » sigismund, posted by sigismund on November 26, 2013, at 15:34:37
> Ah, Scarlatti.
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> Thanks Eddy. I will listen to your links with interest.Domenico Scarlatti's sonatas tend to be difficult. Here is a particularly good example of virtuosic Scarlatti (this time on the grand piano)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjghYFgt8Zk
She plays faster than I can think.
I must admit I think the harpsichord brings out the Spanish 'guitar' influences in Scarlatti's music better than the piano, and is of course more authentic. Some of his pieces really suit the piano though.
This is a lovely version of Sonata K1. I'm very fond of this piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrrCDsxI5eQ
Domenico's father Alessandro Scarlatti was mainly an opera composer. Here is one of his songs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aheJ-McFak
Singer: Philippe Jarousky - countertenor/male soprano.
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