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Posted by Lindenblüte on November 29, 2006, at 10:03:02
Um... somehow I managed to lose some sheet music from the library. I think I loaned it out to my chamber music friends, but they deny having the parts.
Now I'm over 400 dollars in lost fees. If I find the parts, I get my money back.
Only problem is that I have looked everywhere in my miniscule domiciles to no effect.
Not in my office either. So now what?
Now I go to the library and see if I DID turn them in, but they were not recorded. Sh*t happens, you know.
Next, I go see if I can find an alternate copy, and use my friends archival equipment to make an acceptable photocopy of, say, a cello part...
or a 2nd violin part...
grumpy, very grumpy.
you know? they won't even let me graduate if I don't pay up.
I've been losing sleep over this. At least 4 nights.
ugh.
Rant over and out
-Li
Posted by karen_kay on November 29, 2006, at 10:11:54
In reply to Library fines blocks losses, posted by Lindenblüte on November 29, 2006, at 10:03:02
hey, i had a similar situation in school. i took out a bunch of books (bad idea kk, you know how irresponsible you are) for research and i totally forgot to turn them in (i don't know why i put that. why lie, right? i didn't want to take them back. it was a hassle (since i had like 12 of them. i can't be expected to lug a huge sack of books around can i?) and i didn't wnat to do it. i couldn't park remotely close to the library so i'd rather pay the fee. clever, aren't i?). so, i had to pay $200 befroe i could reregister for classes.
that sucks.
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on November 29, 2006, at 12:01:19
In reply to Library fines blocks losses, posted by Lindenblüte on November 29, 2006, at 10:03:02
Heavens! Those are steep library fines!! I think we have a cap here, it goes to like 15 bucks max and then you're completely blocked, but it means the fines can't rise either! You'd think the sheet music was orginal handscored by Mozart/whoever!!
Can you not just replace (ie buy new) the sheet music and hand it in?
Well I guess its one way libraries make their money, although not very fair on the service user.
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by Lindenblüte on November 29, 2006, at 13:24:57
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by Meri-Tuuli on November 29, 2006, at 12:01:19
I searched the stacks, and found 2 of the items that I supposedly "lost".
One is missing the Vln part (which is sitting right next to me) but is otherwise totally complete.
The other one is missing the binder, but the music is in a big manila envelop labelled with the call number. I have the binder, so again, I'm in luck that I looked before I paid for a replacement.
The other 2 items, well, I will need to order them from Sheet music supplier. The library accepts replacements, as long as it's the original edition.
lucky lucky...
off to amazon.
-Li
Posted by Gee on November 29, 2006, at 14:44:27
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by Lindenblüte on November 29, 2006, at 13:24:57
Oh man Linden!!! $400 bucks is a lot! I really really hope you can get the replacements. Which is cheaper, the replacements or the fines? I'm hoping that your fines have gone down now that you've found some of the music
Posted by Lindenblüte on November 29, 2006, at 15:51:59
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by Gee on November 29, 2006, at 14:44:27
The replacement music is (thankfully) still in print.
One costs 15 dollars.
The other costs 19 dollars.
a lot cheaper than 100 dollars for each piece, huh?
I just placed orders. I love the internet!
Posted by notfred on November 29, 2006, at 18:48:15
In reply to Library fines blocks losses, posted by Lindenblüte on November 29, 2006, at 10:03:02
How wierd. Years ago when I was in music school if I
"lost" printed music all I had to pay was the price
the library paid originally. Fines were capped to the original cost.
Posted by Jost on November 29, 2006, at 20:06:26
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by notfred on November 29, 2006, at 18:48:15
Notfred, the libraries have wised up since then.
And prices for books, esp. irreplaceable, or hard-to-replace originals, often out of print, have risen dramatically too.
Some rare books you can find online, even at reasonable prices-- some not-- but University libraries have standard policies-- which often require payment of huge replacement and "processing" fines-- I wonder how processing fines can be that expensive-- someone has to pay for the upkeep, I suppose.
Been there, done that.
Jost
Posted by Phillipa on November 29, 2006, at 20:17:19
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by Jost on November 29, 2006, at 20:06:26
Before the internet you just paid the original price of the books. Love Phillipa
Posted by Gee on November 30, 2006, at 15:48:59
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses » Gee, posted by Lindenblüte on November 29, 2006, at 15:51:59
Wow that's a lot cheaper. I think your library is riping you off... Or trying to. I'm pretty sure at mine, you just have to pay the replacement value
Posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 19:54:56
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by Jost on November 29, 2006, at 20:06:26
> Notfred, the libraries have wised up since then.
>
> And prices for books, esp. irreplaceable, or hard-to-replace originals, often out of print, have risen dramatically too.
>http://www.lasierra.edu/library/info_serve/circulation-policies.html
Looks like just $10 + cost of book.
Fines
Regular books: When a book is 14 days overdue a bill of $50.00 per book will be generated and sent to the user. This includes $40.00 for the cost of the book and a $10.00 non-refundable processing fee. In the event that the cost of an item not returned significantly exceeds the standard fee, the library reserves the right to charge a fee based on the actual replacement cost.
Posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 20:12:46
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 19:54:56
Curtis Music school has a cap:
http://www.curtislibrary.com/about/lndgperiods.htm
Fines* If you choose to keep an item beyond the due date, the charge is 20 cents per day (adult titles) or 10 cents per day (children's titles)
* Fine limit: $5 per adult title; $1 per children's title
UT Dallas still has a cap:
Posted by Jost on December 1, 2006, at 21:16:44
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 20:12:46
Hey, I just checked at the library I used to use, and they seem to have reduced the fines.
This is great. They're at least 1/2 what they used to be and the cap is lower ($30.00/ book).
I may have to start taking books out again. Although I actually don't have to pay fines-- so I could have been doing it anyway. I think, anyway. I have to check on my status at the moment.
If you lose a book, it depends on the library-- ie the psychology, main stacks, etc-- but still, the daily fine is much more reasonable.
There are actually afew books I want. So tomorrow, I may go and get them.
Thanks, notfred. Really interesting development.
Jost
Posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 22:03:02
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by Jost on December 1, 2006, at 21:16:44
> Thanks, notfred. Really interesting development.
>
> JostCool. Of course every library is different, there is no standard for fines. I know some will have a period each year where they forgive or reduce fines,
for those with huge fees.
Posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 22:35:02
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by Jost on November 29, 2006, at 20:06:26
> Notfred, the libraries have wised up since then.
>Really ?
http://www.lasierra.edu/library/info_serve/circulation-policies.html
Regular books: When a book is 14 days overdue a bill of $50.00 per book will be generated and sent to the user. This includes $40.00 for the cost of the book and a $10.00 non-refundable processing fee. In the event that the cost of an item not returned significantly exceeds the standard fee, the library reserves the right to charge a fee based on the actual replacement cost.
Posted by Jost on December 1, 2006, at 22:35:04
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 19:48:04
well, okay. Maybe the Library I used to use had wised up.
One time quite a while ago, I returned a book, which they somehow didn't log in properly and then misshelved.
They charged me some flat fee for its being overdue (ie never returned according to them)--something along the line of $40.00, plus a replacement free of $75.00 and a processing fee also of $50.00.
This was when books were much less expensive-- and I'm pretty sure they're charging a lot more now-- at least last time I checked the overdue charge was much higher.
But maybe they're an outlier. University Libraries might charge more.
Certainly than the public library here-- it's scary how little they charge, actually.
Jost
Posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 22:35:05
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 19:48:04
Opps, I have no idea why this went here !
Here is Curtis and UT's fine policy:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20061123/msgs/709516.html
Posted by Phillipa on December 1, 2006, at 22:35:06
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses, posted by notfred on December 1, 2006, at 20:21:55
Are library fines new antidepressants or is this for social? Love Phillipa
Posted by Lindenblüte on December 2, 2006, at 12:51:02
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses » notfred, posted by Phillipa on December 1, 2006, at 20:32:19
I have found several temporary solutions
1) read books in the bookstore. If they contain chapters of particular interest, I can actually read the whole chapter, and decide whether it's
a) worth buying
b) worth reshelving and coming back tomorrow to read more
c) worth stealing (joke!!) I don't shoplift :)2) borrow from friends
3) read books in the library. But the library always makes me fall asleep. I just start yawning, and before I know it, I've passed out on one of those institutional upholstered couches, or slumped in a study carrel.
4) used bookstore. If I can find the title, and I browse through and it looks interesting, I will often buy it for half-price
5) I just write the book myself. I really want to read a book about ____________ so, I just write it myself, or dream it. After about one or two sentences, I decide that the topic is no longer interesting to me.
6) My husband has good library "credit". Not for long!!!! No, he *always* makes sure that his stuff is returned on time. (((((conscientiousness)))))
-Li
Posted by laima on December 2, 2006, at 19:48:08
In reply to Re: Library fines blocks losses » Phillipa, posted by Lindenblüte on December 2, 2006, at 12:51:02
I have a library fine problem too! Sometimes it's cheaper to pretend the books are "lost". But sometimes one get super lucky and there is a limited-time-only "fine amnesty-no questions asked" blitz for a holiday! That's what I'm watching out for now...
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