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Posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 17:36:12
Last night I watched "Finding Neverland" and cried my freaking eyes out for most of the movie, just like I did with "Ray". So I thought my other movie choice "Crash" would be a little less upsetting. Wrong! Of course I'm upset in a different way. I don't even know if I can finish watching this!
-T
Posted by Phillipa on August 27, 2006, at 17:42:45
In reply to Anybody seen Crash yet?, posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 17:36:12
What's it about. I haven't seen it yet. Do I want too? Love Phillipa
Posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 17:48:51
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » TexasChic, posted by Phillipa on August 27, 2006, at 17:42:45
Its about racism, which is a good thing to shine a light on, but the way they are getting it across is by everyone in the movie being incredibly racist (from all sides). I'm not saying it isn't a good way to get the point across, its just very upsetting to me.
-T
Posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 18:14:24
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » Phillipa, posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 17:48:51
I think I'm going to have to stick to comedies or something. These upsetting things just take too much out of me.
-T
Posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 18:38:17
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » Phillipa, posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 17:48:51
I guess I'd better take "Hotel Rwanda" off my list.
But I can't just pretend these things atrocities don't exist!
I guess all I can do is try to live how I feel is right hope that maybe I influence someone along the way that not ALL people are monsters.
-T
Posted by sleepygirl on August 27, 2006, at 19:23:42
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet?, posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 18:38:17
yes...very disturbing movies
you may now post again ;-)
HI tc!
Posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 20:10:08
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » TexasChic, posted by sleepygirl on August 27, 2006, at 19:23:42
I just wanted to say, in the end, I liked the movie. It was upsetting, but there were some positive outcomes. The way it started I thought it would be very negative until the end. But eventually it showed some people learning some things, so that made me happy. I still have to stop watching these types of things though. As I've said about others here, I think my sensitivity makes me more succeptable to sad stories. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate a movie of genious like "Shindler's List", "Piano" or "Amistad", those things just stick with me for a really long time, and sometimes bring on depression.
-T
Posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 20:28:46
In reply to Thank you. » sleepygirl, posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 20:10:08
... my new Hollywood crush is Jay Hernandez, he was in "Hostel", "World Trade Center" and will be on a new tv show called Six Degrees. He's just so hot.
-T
Posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 20:33:47
In reply to On a more cheerful note..., posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 20:28:46
Hubba hubba!-T
Posted by llrrrpp on August 27, 2006, at 21:55:41
In reply to Here's a link, posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 20:33:47
Hey Tex,
I saw "Crash". It was kind of upsetting, but the reason it was so upsetting was because it was honest.The good guys ended up being tainted. The bad guys ended up redeeming themselves.
And the way that society forces us into adopting certain beliefs and behaviors is kind of scary, except that there is always the possibility of change.
I have no recommendations for movies that won't be upsetting. I get triggered by almost anything nowadays. WTC wasn't too bad. I posted about it above. "DaVinci code" was triggering (S.I.) and "Wallace and Gromit, curse of the Were-Rabbit" was the worst. I had to take breaks about eery 20 minutes during this one. by the end, I had to sit next to my husband and hold his hand. I'm such a freak.
-ll
Posted by Adrift on August 27, 2006, at 22:20:27
In reply to Thank you. » sleepygirl, posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 20:10:08
> I just wanted to say, in the end, I liked the movie. It was upsetting, but there were some positive outcomes. The way it started I thought it would be very negative until the end. But eventually it showed some people learning some things, so that made me happy. I still have to stop watching these types of things though. As I've said about others here, I think my sensitivity makes me more succeptable to sad stories. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate a movie of genious like "Shindler's List", "Piano" or "Amistad", those things just stick with me for a really long time, and sometimes bring on depression.
>
> -Tthose movies are so hard for me to let go. I havent seen crash, but I plan too. I try to watch them with people who also find them hard to watch so we can discuss them afterwards. they stay in my head, although, so does the news.
Posted by Jay on August 29, 2006, at 15:11:19
In reply to Anybody seen Crash yet?, posted by TexasChic on August 27, 2006, at 17:36:12
> Last night I watched "Finding Neverland" and cried my freaking eyes out for most of the movie, just like I did with "Ray". So I thought my other movie choice "Crash" would be a little less upsetting. Wrong! Of course I'm upset in a different way. I don't even know if I can finish watching this!
>
> -TYes...I've watched the movie on cable 3 or 4 times. Yes it is disturbing, but like was said, it shows reality from all sides. What's the name of that former L.A. Police head honcho, from the O.J. Simpson trial, who famously used the 'f' word to describe every 'n' word? How about recently, Mel Gibson? I don't care how flipping drunk he was, you don't say that kind of s*it if you don't mean it.
And look at New Orleans. If that (Katrina) happened in Kennebunkport, everything would be up and running in a few weeks. But, because the folks are stuck with the unfortunate old (well..not really...we are talking maybe 40 years ago they still had signs up for *coloured* people.) racism and being poor, no politician, especially Bush, really gives a crap about them. Michael Moore, the guy who wrote and directed the excellent "Fahrenheit 9/11" (whose company was a producer of "Crash" ). very often talks about 'polite' racism. Sorry for my rant...but not much has changed in the 'racism' dept. in the past 40-50 years...we've just become more "polite" racists.A very pissed-off,
Jay
Posted by TexasChic on August 29, 2006, at 19:36:04
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » TexasChic, posted by Jay on August 29, 2006, at 15:11:19
You know, when I was watching that all I could think was, "I never hear anyone talk that way!" I mean, who says 'Ch*naman'? But then, I most likely have selective listening.
To me it seems like there's much more prejudice concerning income and looks rather than race. But like I said, what do I know.
-T
Ha ha! I don't know why its putting an asterick in 'Ch*naman'!
Posted by TexasChic on August 29, 2006, at 19:44:17
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » Jay, posted by TexasChic on August 29, 2006, at 19:36:04
The way I see it, at some point we all started off at the same beginnings, and the only real difference is skin pigment. I think some day people will look back at us and not be able to see the difference in skin color or hair color, and think we were crazy to make such a big deal about one and not the other.
-T
Posted by llrrrpp on August 29, 2006, at 20:01:33
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet?, posted by TexasChic on August 29, 2006, at 19:44:17
So, on the topic of "polite racism",
One of my friends X lives in Suburban San Diego. She lives in a lovely development where everyone's home is equally landscaped and all the children are above average, etc etc...
Out on one of her regular walks with the neighborhood gals, X listens to her neighbor complain about how her son got rejected from one of the Universities of California. Mother's reasoning for this was that he's white, and they only take minorites nowadays... and then went on a minor rant about minorities and how they are given all kinds of priveleges. FYI- San Diego is far more republican than other major W. Coast cities...
X pointed out- um, *I'm* a minority...
Her friend stopped, mouth agape, realizing that she's just made one of the 21st century's major political faux pas'-- caught in the act of bigotry. Furiously backpedalling... Oh, NO, X, I didn't mean YOU, I meant all those Latino and Black kids. Asians are the "good" minorities.... and so on.
And then X asked her-- so, what do you think about immigrants? [X is an immigrant with discernable accent]...
don't get me started. If it can happen in educated, wealthy suburbia, it can happen ANYWHERE.
-ll
Posted by Dinah on August 29, 2006, at 20:04:47
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet?, posted by llrrrpp on August 29, 2006, at 20:01:33
> FYI- San Diego is far more republican than other major W. Coast cities...
Ummmm....
Posted by llrrrpp on August 29, 2006, at 20:30:42
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » llrrrpp, posted by Dinah on August 29, 2006, at 20:04:47
> > FYI- San Diego is far more republican than other major W. Coast cities...
>
> Ummmm....
>I invoked a stereotype to attempt to explain the racist statements of X's friend. If you don't know the stereotype, I'm not going to un-civil-ize my post and utter it here. This choice excerpt was inflammatory and unnecessary, especially given the point of what I'm trying to argue. See- stereotypes are everywhere (llrrrpp's aware of them. yep, and I'll try to censor myself more carefully in the future.)
Furthermore, I have found out that Orange County is more Republican than San Diego County, so I wanted to correct that bit of misinformation. (thanks to wikipedia)
-ll
Posted by Dinah on August 29, 2006, at 20:36:34
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » Dinah, posted by llrrrpp on August 29, 2006, at 20:30:42
You're a sweetie, llrrrpp, and I'm sorry if my post was not a model of civility itself. I'm a bit edgy today.
Posted by TexasChic on August 30, 2006, at 18:55:17
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » llrrrpp, posted by Dinah on August 29, 2006, at 20:36:34
I often get involved in a neverending thought process about how I can't stand people who are prejudice, but by doing so I'm being prejudice against people who are prejudice!
-T
Posted by ClearSkies on August 31, 2006, at 9:48:16
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet?, posted by TexasChic on August 30, 2006, at 18:55:17
> I often get involved in a neverending thought process about how I can't stand people who are prejudice, but by doing so I'm being prejudice against people who are prejudice!
>
> -TI think that just recognizing these qualities in ourselves is encouraging. It takes learning and understanding to overcome our prejudices, and acknowledging that we have these is a sign of sign awareness and growth.
This was a significant movie for me - I had so many preconceptions about how the characters were going to act! It fit in perfectly with the story line.
ClearSkies
Posted by llrrrpp on August 31, 2006, at 10:38:00
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » TexasChic, posted by ClearSkies on August 31, 2006, at 9:48:16
One thing about prejudice that I don't like is that it exists on a subconscious level. We categorize people even before we are aware of who they are or what they do.
Certainly we can overcome these categorizations with a level of conscious control, but it takes a lot of effort. When we are overwhelmed or distracted, or just on auto-pilot, we often do things that our conscious mind would not like to acknowledge.
And sometimes, despite having a good friend of a different race for many years, I still have a hard time including her in my category. Sometimes the human mind emphasizes differences, and downplays similarities. I'm sure it helps most of our everyday cognition (it's easier to remember things that seem distinctive, it's easier to solve problems that seem discrete and separate), but in the case of society at large, I wish that race were not one of those dimensions that is so obvious.
For instance, when my Japanese friends point to people and say "She's mandarin, he's korean, he's from Okinawa, she's Filipino, She's Cantonese" i think- wow. I can't perceive those differences easily at all! I just see- E. Asian faces.
And then there's the unfortunate consequence of categorical perception that ingroups (people of my race) tend to be viewed as individuals, whereas outgroup members tend to be viewed as more similar to each other. One consequence of this is that it's harder for me to recognize and remember an E. Asian face. In my mind, I just remember some generic prototype E. Asian face. And that's unfortunate. It leads to insecurity- what's her name again? Wait- am I sure I've met her before? Where did I see her? And it leads to more snap judgments when I don't have time to ponder these decisions. I treat this person like I would treat any E. Asian.
Is it true that if you don't have anything nice to say, not to say anything at all?
-ll
Posted by Dinah on August 31, 2006, at 16:23:00
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet?, posted by TexasChic on August 30, 2006, at 18:55:17
I do the same about tolerance. I get mindnumbingly intolerant of those who don't show tolerance.
It's a conundrum.
Posted by TexasChic on August 31, 2006, at 19:20:09
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet? » TexasChic, posted by ClearSkies on August 31, 2006, at 9:48:16
> > I often get involved in a neverending thought process about how I can't stand people who are prejudice, but by doing so I'm being prejudice against people who are prejudice!
> >
> > -T
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> I think that just recognizing these qualities in ourselves is encouraging. It takes learning and understanding to overcome our prejudices, and acknowledging that we have these is a sign of sign awareness and growth.
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> This was a significant movie for me - I had so many preconceptions about how the characters were going to act! It fit in perfectly with the story line.
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> ClearSkies
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It just made me want to smack Sandra Bullock, Matt Dillon, and Tony Danza!-T
Posted by TexasChic on August 31, 2006, at 19:33:08
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet?, posted by llrrrpp on August 31, 2006, at 10:38:00
I used to work with this Chinese guy that I became really good friends with. I remember there was a commercial on tv at that time with an Asian guy in it, and one day I asked him if this guy was Chinese, Japanese, or what. He said he didn't have a clue! He said he couldn't tell half the time either.
One thing I always think is, what if there was a race of blonde haired, green eyed people like me with similiar features? Don't you think people would have trouble telling alot of us apart? I think 'caucasion' is just such a melting pot that there's more variety than other races. I mean, technically I should be Irish-German-Native American (plus a few more). In that way, a 'caucasion' is different from other races - it includes a many more origins.
I'm too tired to think this deep. Hope this made sense.
-T
Posted by Phillipa on August 31, 2006, at 19:34:31
In reply to Re: Anybody seen Crash yet?, posted by TexasChic on August 31, 2006, at 19:20:09
Don't know what it is of the upper ecehelon sp? anyway we live in a very nice neighborhood. In NC, Matthews suberb of downtown Charlotte and our neighborhoods all over are divided between White, Afro Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Brazilians. Too many to mention. We all like each other and no prejudice between us seriously. And funny our neighbors are from NY, Florida mostly. People are either running away from hurricaines or the high cost of living up North. And Florida's expensive too. NC is kindda in the middle weather wise. Love Phillipa
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