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Posted by Racer on May 28, 2006, at 14:16:39
I am planning to paint our kitchen. I've chosen the color, etc, and yesterday I painted two sample walls -- one in light, one in shadow -- and we like the results well enough to keep going.
But when I pulled off the blue painter's tape, it brought a lot of the paint with it. I'm assuming that the paint didn't adhere well because the paint that's there now was insufficiently deglossed for painting? If so, how would I get a better adherence?
For what it's worth, I used a fairly strong solution of TSP to degloss, which is what my mother always did. Can anyone tell me what might work better?
Thanks!
Posted by Joan797 on May 28, 2006, at 14:58:04
In reply to Help deglossing walls to paint?, posted by Racer on May 28, 2006, at 14:16:39
Well, I would have to have more information before I could possibly help you.......
1. Are you painting on sheet rock or some other wall medium? Paneling or other smooth surfaces can affect adhesion.
2. How long did you wait to peel up the tape? Sometimes they suggest at least 48 hours for paint to dry completely.
Having asked/answered the above, might I just say, I hate painters tape. I have never had an experience in painting where I didn't peel off some of the new paint with the tape, no matter what I was painting on, with, or how. I find it just as easy to use either an edger....but that can sometimes get paint underneath it....or most often I just use a very small paint brush 1" or smaller to trim in around woodwork, etc. The last paint job I did was on old plaster walls that were VERY uneven and had deep pockets in them. I used a small paint brush like the size a professional artist would use and it worked great on that 1" part of the woodwork that butted up against the wall.
Now, you might try liquid sander......but again that takes more time and effort.
I think perhaps the best thing to do is to paint with a good primer.....primer is usually always a flat consistency and new paint adheres the best to primer. Even if the primer is put on top of other paint.
So, my unexpert answer is..............
use a coat of primer, and a small brush for trim and patience, patience, patience.
Joan
Posted by NikkiT2 on May 28, 2006, at 15:16:37
In reply to Re: Help deglossing walls to paint?, posted by Joan797 on May 28, 2006, at 14:58:04
is to actually remove the tape while the paint is still damp. I've never managed to get it to work if I leave it till the paint is completely dried..
Other than that, no idea!! Home decoration is NOT my forte!!
Nikki xx
Posted by canadagirl on May 28, 2006, at 15:55:05
In reply to Help deglossing walls to paint?, posted by Racer on May 28, 2006, at 14:16:39
Well from what I heard, paint needs a chemical bond and also a 'physical'? bond. I'm no expert but the best thing I've found is lightly sand the walls before you put the primer on (yuk, sanding is yuk yuk but works great). That will degloss somewhat. Then paint with a good primer something like "Fresh Start" from benjamin moore. Then put your regular coat of paint on.
Posted by Jakeman on May 28, 2006, at 19:31:37
In reply to Help deglossing walls to paint?, posted by Racer on May 28, 2006, at 14:16:39
One problem could be that the old paint is oiled based and the new is latex, water based. When I was a painter, what we did was to scuff up the old surface with sandpaper or steel wool. Then put on a coat of a primer like "Kilz". Then the next coat of paint should adhere well.
Jake
Posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2006, at 23:08:25
In reply to Re: Help deglossing walls to paint? » Racer, posted by Jakeman on May 28, 2006, at 19:31:37
Racer try scotchbrite the metal will not adhere to the walls. Love Phillipa
Posted by pseudoname on May 29, 2006, at 10:52:56
In reply to Help deglossing walls to paint?, posted by Racer on May 28, 2006, at 14:16:39
Just to irrelevantly agree with the foregoing…
I would gently rough up the wall. Just because of my own habits & equipment, I would make one moderate-pressure pass with medium sandpaper in one of those "shoe" thingies. But then you'll need to wash the wall to get rid of the dust and let it dry.
If you do, WEAR A MASK while sanding/roughing.
I love Kilz primer.
Also, use the best ($) grade of paint and don't wipe/wash the walls for at least a month after painting.
I agree that painters' tape is disappointing. I don't bother with it anymore. I just go slow, use trim brushes, and keep a wet rag handy.
If you're painting the cupboards & doors, be sure to arrange for lots of hugs during the project. You may need them.
Please keep us posted. :-)
Posted by ron1953 on May 29, 2006, at 20:54:25
In reply to Help deglossing walls to paint?, posted by Racer on May 28, 2006, at 14:16:39
Or a similar product with a similar name. Readily available at Home Depot, etc.. It cleans paint and leaves it tacky for a good bond. I've used it many times with good results.
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