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i havent seen the link of him yet either so dont

Posted by rainbowbrite on June 25, 2005, at 13:51:39

In reply to Re: Tom Cruise self-destructs- BUT??, posted by rainbowbrite on June 25, 2005, at 13:46:02

hurt me ok.....please be nice

 

Re: Tom Cruise self-destructs- BUT??

Posted by Tamar on June 25, 2005, at 16:18:03

In reply to Re: Tom Cruise self-destructs- BUT??, posted by rainbowbrite on June 25, 2005, at 13:46:02

> ALthough NOW I am going to read up on it because Ive just posted this :-)

Good plan. I'm refraining from stating my opinion as baldly as I'd like, but a quick check into Ron Hubbard's theories and qualifications should help you make up your mind...

 

Re: Tom Cruise self-destructs- BUT?? Tamar

Posted by KaraS on June 25, 2005, at 18:37:34

In reply to Re: Tom Cruise self-destructs- BUT??, posted by Tamar on June 25, 2005, at 16:18:03

I think Scientologists actually believe that evil aliens (they call them "Thetans") live among us. They really are a bizarre cult. I loved Brooke Shields' response to Tom's criticism of her use of medication to treat her post-partum depression. She replied that he should stick to saving the world from aliens and let the doctors treat their patients.

I can't stand him anymore either. He really made a huge mistake firing his publicist. He's going to end up doing himself in with his arrogance and stupidity. He needs managers who can save him from himself. Spielberg and the studio behind his latest move are said to be very concerned about his behavior lately. They're afraid it's going to hurt the box office draw for their new movie "War of the Worlds" coming out soon. We can only hope....

k

 

Speaking of movies...

Posted by Tamar on June 25, 2005, at 19:07:47

In reply to Re: Tom Cruise self-destructs- BUT?? Tamar, posted by KaraS on June 25, 2005, at 18:37:34

I enjoyed this evaluation of scientology's understanding of thetans. I was particularly interested to note the author's conclusion:

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/htruebt.htm

Tamar

 

Re: Speaking of movies... Tamar

Posted by KaraS on June 25, 2005, at 19:17:40

In reply to Speaking of movies..., posted by Tamar on June 25, 2005, at 19:07:47

> I enjoyed this evaluation of scientology's understanding of thetans. I was particularly interested to note the author's conclusion:
>
> http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/htruebt.htm
>
> Tamar
>


YIKES!!! It's beyond belief that anyone would buy into that nonsense.

k

 

my my my...

Posted by justyourlaugh on June 25, 2005, at 19:50:01

In reply to Re: Speaking of movies... Tamar, posted by KaraS on June 25, 2005, at 19:17:40

i would "pbc" but i guess my thoughts are not valid..

 

Re: Link to see interview....

Posted by KaraS on June 25, 2005, at 20:10:36

In reply to Link to see interview...., posted by thuso on June 24, 2005, at 17:19:05

> Those who didn't see the interview can watch it here:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/
>
> Just click where it says "Launch". He starts talking about AD's and psychiatry at the 7:43 minute mark.
>
> I can almost bet that none of you will like what Tom Cruise says. ;-)

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I just read the whole interview. How obnoxious. Matt did a good job except for a couple of times where he placated Cruise by telling him how knowledgable he is on the subject. How knoweldgable my *ss! He doesn't even know the difference between psychotropic medications in general and antipsychotics. He uses the latter term to mean all psychotropic medications. He's a moron and his attitute that he's the only one who knows anything is insufferable. I'll never pay to go to one of his movies ever again. I hope that the more he shoots off his big mouth, the greater the backlash against him.

k


 

Re: my my my... justyourlaugh

Posted by 10derHeart on June 25, 2005, at 22:41:12

In reply to my my my..., posted by justyourlaugh on June 25, 2005, at 19:50:01

why do you say that, jyl?

Your thoughts ARE valid. I always like reading what you contribute. It's usually pithy and thought-provoking...or funny when that's the tone of the thread.... :-)

I hope everyone's thoughts and opinions here are valid.

If you think someone isn't being civil and you want to bring that to their attention, well, go ahead.

Differing points of view are extremely important here - to me at least. Makes for good discussions and learning experiences, most times, I think.

Are you okay?


 

Re: my my my... justyourlaugh

Posted by KaraS on June 25, 2005, at 23:42:09

In reply to my my my..., posted by justyourlaugh on June 25, 2005, at 19:50:01

> i would "pbc" but i guess my thoughts are not valid..


I am sorry if I have offended you.

Kara

 

Tom Cruise

Posted by gardenergirl on June 25, 2005, at 23:49:10

In reply to i havent seen the link of him yet either so dont, posted by rainbowbrite on June 25, 2005, at 13:51:39

My concern is that someone who never finished high school, and who also has dyslexia is speaking about his reviewing the research and forming his opinions, and then sharing them with the world as facts.

I certainly don't believe that you must finish high school and be free from a learning disability in order to be a critical reader of scientific material, but, um, there are lots of folks who seem more skilled in this ability to discern the meaning of experimental results than I would assume Tom Cruise is.

Decent actor, big movie star, certainly. Research expert? Hardly.

gg

 

Re: my my my... justyourlaugh

Posted by KaraS on June 25, 2005, at 23:59:40

In reply to my my my..., posted by justyourlaugh on June 25, 2005, at 19:50:01

> i would "pbc" but i guess my thoughts are not valid..


I really am sorry. I was very angry at what Tom Cruise has been saying and I didn't stop to think that I might be insulting anyone here. (Also, I had posted my second message before I read your message above.)

 

I didn't know that he dropped out of HS! (nm) gardenergirl

Posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 26, 2005, at 8:10:01

In reply to Tom Cruise, posted by gardenergirl on June 25, 2005, at 23:49:10

 

again not defending him...

Posted by rainbowbrite on June 26, 2005, at 14:05:07

In reply to I didn't know that he dropped out of HS! (nm) gardenergirl, posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 26, 2005, at 8:10:01

but education isnt everything

 

point....

Posted by justyourlaugh on June 26, 2005, at 16:01:53

In reply to my my my..., posted by justyourlaugh on June 25, 2005, at 19:50:01

redirect to faith board...?
someones religion (and the fastest growing one)
and way of life is in question..
j

 

Re: again not defending him...

Posted by justyourlaugh on June 26, 2005, at 16:03:41

In reply to again not defending him..., posted by rainbowbrite on June 26, 2005, at 14:05:07

and education can not measure faith..
j

 

It's not about education, it is about respect rainbowbrite

Posted by TamaraJ on June 26, 2005, at 16:32:01

In reply to again not defending him..., posted by rainbowbrite on June 26, 2005, at 14:05:07

Clearly, individuals have the right to religious freedom. Equally clear is that lack of education and/or a learning disability, be it dyslexia or ADHD, do not in and of themselves render an individual unintelligent. Throughout history there have no doubt been many accomplished and successful people who perhaps did not finish high school and/or, as a result of life circumstances, were not able to go to university. I do not judge a person based on their religion, nor to I judge a person on their level of education. IMO, although Tom Cruise has linked his distaste and distrust of psychiatry and psychotropic meds to his religion of choice, scientology, it is not, IMO, his linking his opinions to his relgion that makes him repugnant, it is the reckless and incompassionate way he has chosen to make those opinions, which seem to be completely unsolicited, so public. There are other famous people who have adopted scientology as their religion, including John Travolta and Kirstie Alley, yet I don't seem to recall them or others publicly denouncing a branch of medicine, nor do I see them chiming in and voicing similar opinions to Tom Cruise, and demeaning those in society who have, or have had, to use pychotropic meds.

For me, it is sad that someone would use not just their celebrity, but also their religion to berate, criticize and demean not only a profession, but also a segment of society who, without that profession, probably would not be alive today, leading productive lives. So, I just have this message for Tom: It is highly unlikely that a pdoc is going to give you acting tips or ridicule and demean your chosen profession. Show phychiastrists, and the people they treat, the same courtesy and respect.

Tamara

 

Re: point....

Posted by Tamar on June 26, 2005, at 17:08:00

In reply to point...., posted by justyourlaugh on June 26, 2005, at 16:01:53

> redirect to faith board...?
> someones religion (and the fastest growing one)
> and way of life is in question..
> j

Hmm... I dunno. I think the focus is still on Tom Cruise's comments about mental health, whatever the basis of those comments.

As for the fastest-growing religion: I heard it was Islam? I'd be quite interested to know some Islamic perspectives on psychiatry! But now I'm getting completely off-topic...

 

Apology re: my post

Posted by gardenergirl on June 26, 2005, at 18:35:36

In reply to Tom Cruise, posted by gardenergirl on June 25, 2005, at 23:49:10

I want to apologize for my post about Tom Cruise and his dyslexia. I still think he's underqualified to interpet scientific data, but that's more because he's never been trained to, not because of his disability.

I don't think my post was very sensitive to those who have a learning disability or may not have finished high school. I'm sorry for any hurt my prior post may have caused.

gg

 

Beautifully said, TamaraJ. Thank you (nm) TamaraJ

Posted by 10derHeart on June 26, 2005, at 19:06:02

In reply to It's not about education, it is about respect rainbowbrite, posted by TamaraJ on June 26, 2005, at 16:32:01

 

Re: Tom Cruise

Posted by messadivoce on June 27, 2005, at 10:28:08

In reply to Apology re: my post, posted by gardenergirl on June 26, 2005, at 18:35:36

Here is an interesting link...his words and the rules as laid out in the Scientology packet speak for themselves.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160756,00.html

 

Re: Tom Cruise...still

Posted by partlycloudy on June 28, 2005, at 12:34:57

In reply to Re: Tom Cruise, posted by messadivoce on June 27, 2005, at 10:28:08

Our local newspaper had a ONE PAGE ARTICLE today about treatment of post-partum depression efficacy with therapy and medication versus hormonal therapies, and amino acids/natural therapies.

I was very encouraged to see psychiatry and psychotherapy endorsed in the media like this. I, for one, hope that TC's media rampage backfires on him bigtime. It's an outrage against all of us who have been helped by medication and therapy.

Maybe he shouldn't let his sister be his publicist??
pc

 

Re: Tom Cruise

Posted by TofuEmmy on June 28, 2005, at 18:25:12

In reply to Re: Tom Cruise, posted by messadivoce on June 27, 2005, at 10:28:08

I'd like to see what he says the first time someone who is seriously ill goes off their meds, following their favorite star's advice, and then commits an act of violence to self or others. Or are kicked out of their residence for behavior reasons, and wind up homeless.

I am all for freedom of religion, and the guy is entitled to his beliefs, but it seems like the abuse of a powerful relationship. He has a relationship with his fans. And the words of famous people really do impact some people. That's why politicians have used actors and singers in campaigns.

I fear that his anti-psychiatry comments could have some serious repercussions.

em (YEAH boycott!)

 

Re: Tom Cruise believes in aliens

Posted by Phil on June 29, 2005, at 8:06:19

In reply to Re: Tom Cruise, posted by TofuEmmy on June 28, 2005, at 18:25:12

Somebody shut this guy up. : )

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=8925988

 

Ummm....I think Tom Cruise IS an alien (nm) Phil

Posted by jammerlich on June 29, 2005, at 10:09:15

In reply to Re: Tom Cruise believes in aliens, posted by Phil on June 29, 2005, at 8:06:19

 

Re: Tom Cruise

Posted by polarbear206 on July 3, 2005, at 6:41:44

In reply to Re: Tom Cruise, posted by messadivoce on June 27, 2005, at 10:28:08

Tom Cruise should stick to saving the world from the aliens and keep his opinions to himself. How pathetic his lack of education and ignorance. Gee Tom, if only you had the opportunity to see my great grandmother suffer in an insane asylum until her death (when no meds were discovered) you might of been more open minded and compassionate for her. Too bad you wern't there to give her vitamins and be her personal exercise trainer. Your are pathetic. I feel sorry for Katie Holmes. Your a control freak too Tom!!!!!


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