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Posted by Angela2 on June 24, 2005, at 11:34:36
Is making me think about the whole controversey thing about psychiatry. you can't deny that there have been incidents where psychiatrists have put people on medicine and haven't helped them but made them worse. Or misdiagnosing people. How do you deal with what you think is a misdiagnosis on your psychiatrist's behalf? OK, discuss...
Posted by partlycloudy on June 24, 2005, at 12:23:07
In reply to This whole thing with Tom Cruise..., posted by Angela2 on June 24, 2005, at 11:34:36
Absolutely - there are misdiagnoses and those who have been medicated incorrectly. Just as there are those with pains who go to their GP and specialists, to be told there is nothing wrong, "it's nothing", and whaddyaknow, they had a tumor. And died. Or those who have surgery and the wrong side of the body is operated upon.
Psychiatry is no less fallible than any other branch of medicine, IMO. It's the patients who have the right for another opinion. It's important (I think) that we not bestow our physicians with god-like qualities which they don't possess.
But for someone to say that psychiatric meds are "wrong" - is not a statement I would agree with.
pc
Posted by Angela2 on June 24, 2005, at 13:04:20
In reply to Re: This whole thing with Tom Cruise... » Angela2, posted by partlycloudy on June 24, 2005, at 12:23:07
Yeah, I agree. With everything you said. Sometimes kids need medicine. Tom Cruise is wrong to generalize. We have the choice to leave and find someone who will really help us.
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 24, 2005, at 14:22:55
In reply to Re: This whole thing with Tom Cruise... » Angela2, posted by partlycloudy on June 24, 2005, at 12:23:07
I agree w/ PC too. And it's not just medicine--it is all of science. How many great discoveries/inventions turned out to be harmful years later? Asbestos (sp?), cigarettes, lead paint...
Tom clearly has never experienced a depressive (or psychotic, or whatever) episode himself. I don't think that he would be so bold if he truly understood the hell that we experience.
As for bad diagnosis, it is a problem in mental health. But part of the reason is that people have inadequate access to mental health care. So they aren't treated until they have been deteriorating for years or they are treated by a GP who doesn't really know enough about psychiatry to treat them (not all GPs, mind you, but many of them).
The system isn't perfect, but there are still many good apples. My current pdoc and former pdoc are two genuinely compassionate women. They have worked very hard to make me feel better. As long as there are pdocs like them, I know all hope isn't lost on psychiatry.
And Dr. Bob seems like a pretty good guy too. ;)
EE
Posted by thuso on June 24, 2005, at 17:26:50
In reply to This whole thing with Tom Cruise..., posted by Angela2 on June 24, 2005, at 11:34:36
Yeah...what he said was kind of crazy. If any of you didn't get a chance to actually see the interview I found the link to the video and posted it here:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050624/msgs/518238.html
After watching the interview in it's entirety, it is very obvious to me that he does not know what he is talking about. It makes him look really bad.
Posted by Jazzed on June 24, 2005, at 18:33:36
In reply to Re: This whole thing with Tom Cruise..., posted by thuso on June 24, 2005, at 17:26:50
I think, if I"m not mistaken, Scientology is very anti-psychiatry, and TC is a Scientologist. I think he's a di*k. Unfortunately he has the public forum, and a lot of misguided ppl will listen to him just because of that.
Jazzy
Posted by melspinyards on June 24, 2005, at 20:17:12
In reply to Re: This whole thing with Tom Cruise..., posted by Jazzed on June 24, 2005, at 18:33:36
I've seen interview with him being questioned about Scientology, VERY defensive.
I love tom, but i think he's losing his integrity, girl after girl..... Katie Holmes, before he was dating some Spanish actress, not Penelope Cruz! i forgot her name.
Did anyone see how crazy he went on Oprah?
I dont know what to think about Scientology, at the Batman Begins there was some "mysterious" woman kept following them around, Tom says she was just a friend, she didnt look like no friend, more like a scientologist body guard.
Scientologist intimidate me.
Melody
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 24, 2005, at 22:55:26
In reply to Re: i think he has anger problems hidden, posted by melspinyards on June 24, 2005, at 20:17:12
I guess we don't have to worry about TC and other scientologists reading what we say on this site... ;)
EE
Posted by Glydin on June 25, 2005, at 8:52:14
In reply to Irony, posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 24, 2005, at 22:55:26
Walk in the shoes of those mental disorders.
Have a baby.... required ovaries the last time I checked. Expereince PP depression.
Try just about everything. INCLUDING vitamins. Find that meds do or do not work from a personal standpoint.
Struggle. Then, have an opinion.
I think he's being very hurtful and judgemental.
Posted by Angela2 on June 25, 2005, at 10:06:26
In reply to This whole thing with Tom Cruise..., posted by Angela2 on June 24, 2005, at 11:34:36
Does anyone remember him saying in the interview that he knew the history of psychiatry and that's why he's so against it? I took many psych classes at my university, and yeah, I know the history of psychiatry too. It pretty much sucks. But things have changed a lot for the better since then. I am not against psychiatry in the present becuase of it's history. Psychiatry has helped me a great deal. He is a gullible sheltered crazy man. I don't know what else to say.
Posted by Glydin on June 25, 2005, at 11:10:59
In reply to I know the history of psychiatry too., posted by Angela2 on June 25, 2005, at 10:06:26
> But things have changed a lot for the better since then. I am not against psychiatry in the present becuase of it's history. Psychiatry has helped me a great deal.
~~~You make a very good point. While knowing the history of anything may be important, keeping up with progression in an important part of analyzing validity.
>He is a gullible sheltered crazy man. I don't know what else to say.~~ The word cookoo does comes to mind for me. What a BIG public behavior change for him.
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 25, 2005, at 11:49:25
In reply to Re: I know the history of psychiatry too. » Angela2, posted by Glydin on June 25, 2005, at 11:10:59
Posted by TamaraJ on June 25, 2005, at 12:07:28
In reply to History is the past, not current reality. (nm), posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 25, 2005, at 11:49:25
some celebrities have starting speaking out about their own struggles with mental illness. Their speaking out can help reduce the stigma attached to mental illness. When you get some yahoo like Tom Cruise saying that mental illness can be cured by taking vitamins, that there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance and that drugs only mask the problem, other celebrities who may have been willing to share their own story may now be reluctant to do so to avoid being berated and belittled by a putz like Tom Cruise. There is nothing I can't stand more than a know-it-all!!! Well, yes I think there is - a know-it-all who has his head up his *ss and doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. Grrrrrrr!!!!!
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 25, 2005, at 15:16:54
In reply to He had me at - I don't really know of what I speak, posted by Glydin on June 25, 2005, at 8:52:14
Great subject line!
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 25, 2005, at 15:19:49
In reply to What is sad about this is that, posted by TamaraJ on June 25, 2005, at 12:07:28
There is nothing I can't stand more than a know-it-all!!! Well, yes I think there is - a know-it-all who has his head up his *ss and doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. Grrrrrrr!!!!!
That's it exactly! I can tolerate a know-it-all if they truly are brilliant, but almost nothing gets me more livid than a pompous a*s who's not nearly as clever as they think they are.. well maybe hypocracy does, but not much else.
Posted by Jen Star on June 25, 2005, at 17:46:55
In reply to I know the history of psychiatry too., posted by Angela2 on June 25, 2005, at 10:06:26
I think people who don't ever experience a certain health issue can talk very sanctimoniously about what sufferers should and should not do. Tom Cruise obviously has never suffered from depression and does not know firsthand that vitamins are not a cure-all! It's easy to memorize someone else's views and spout them off (as he seems to be doing.)
I agree that psy. has a dark and often scary history, but there are gold nuggets too. If certain meds help, why should we be against it? Why should HE be against it? I think there probably ARE some natural cures out there, but man-made cures are obviously very effective too!
I'm annoyed at Tom Cruise for those comments. I wonder how long he and his new love Katie will last?
JenStar
Posted by Glydin on June 25, 2005, at 19:02:27
In reply to Re: He had me at - I don't really know of what I speak » Glydin, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 25, 2005, at 15:16:54
Thanks, Babe. I can get witty from time to time.
Thinking of you!!
Posted by Sarah T. on June 25, 2005, at 20:06:24
In reply to Re: I know the history of psychiatry too. » Angela2, posted by Jen Star on June 25, 2005, at 17:46:55
> >> I'm annoyed at Tom Cruise for those comments. I wonder how long he and his new love Katie will last?>> JenStar
Probably until the end of her contract with him -- if she can tolerate him that long. Word on the street is that Katie, like Nicole, was "hired."
Posted by rjlockhart98 on June 26, 2005, at 10:04:38
In reply to What is sad about this is that, posted by TamaraJ on June 25, 2005, at 12:07:28
Tom Cruise i heard slaped down micheal jackson, well i mean what has happened i wouldnt blame, but this is common for him to do.
Someone NEEDs to give him a slap down labeled the "wackiest scientologist in hollywood"
But they better get ready for one of his BIG lawsuits.
Posted by rjlockhart98 on June 26, 2005, at 10:06:00
In reply to Re: What is sad about this is that, posted by rjlockhart98 on June 26, 2005, at 10:04:38
Posted by annierose on June 26, 2005, at 10:31:50
In reply to Re: do you think Tom has a mental illness himself? (nm), posted by rjlockhart98 on June 26, 2005, at 10:06:00
I would run, run and run as fast as I could.
Yes, I do think Tom suffers from something ... lack of tolerance, to start. Did you see how he almost jump off his chair and pointed his little fingers at Matt Lauer?I never had much respect for the guy. Now it's at the same level as Michael Jackson. Loser!!
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