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Posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 23:47:25
In reply to Re: I got kicked off Psych Central (or) Dear Dr. John » Angielala, posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 23:36:19
Gab-
You jsut made it so clear for me- you hit the nail on the head when you said:
"That kind of accusation coming from a Dr. toward somone in a vulnerable position is really really frightening. What if a suicidal person posted and he accused them of just wanting to test how he would react because he doesn't allow suicidal posts.."
Iagine if a poster was in a worse position than I am... that's exactly why it bothered me so much- to know that a doc couldn't understand that I'm extremely scared and emotional right now.. it IS extremely frightening...
Thank you for making me feel less alone.. and for making me laugh... seeing him all tweaked out in an alley ranting about Babble.. hehe...
> > Oh My... you are right...
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> > I didn't think that a "Doctor" than ran a whole "support" board would have time to read PB... looks like he's the one playing games, huh?
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> EWWW, well after reading that response to you it sounds like he's unhealthily preoccupied with Babble.. I'm saying that 'in nice.' In another 6 months he'll be all skinny and have unwashed hair, and a scraggly beard, screaming at strangers on the street that they are the spawn of Bob's board.
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> I think he wouldn't have to read the whole board though, you can just type key words into the "edit" function scan the screen and it will highlight the words, it would still be time consuming but he wouldn't have to read each post.
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> It's pretty sad that Dr. John is so involved with this petty stuff when people acutally need help.
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> That's it. That's what really galled me. He completely overlooked your pain, and if he genuinely thought you were being negative, well
> being a psychiatrist should have understood the many possible reasons for that *aside from you having an ulterior motive*. The most important thing to him was to skewer you, to show that you hadn't put anything past him.. and he had no proof, he couldn't have, he was wrong. That kind of accusation coming from a Dr. toward somone in a vulnerable position is really really frightening. What if a suicidal person posted and he accused them of just wanting to test how he would react because he doesn't allow suicidal posts..
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> Okay I'm on a tangent, and I'll stop now.
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> > When help is already hard to find, and then you find a board like this and it treats you like this on an incorrect assumption... well, it's horrible.
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> > > Angie, no one necessarily did anything. He was obviously already reading or he wouldn't have yanked his welcome post. Someone may have tipped him off about that. Perhaps he just kept reading to see what was said. Or maybe he reads Babble every day.
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> > > Maybe it's just Dr. John himself.
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> > > I don't think anyone would want to see you get blocked here or there.
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Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 0:48:45
In reply to Sort of interesting, I guess., posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 21:52:28
> I'm odd, aren't I?
No, Dinah. You're lovely. :)
I think we may have different feelings on this whole topic and I just hope I didn't make you feel as though I don't understand where you're coming from. I suppose that's where the hugs came from.
Take care,
Laurie
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 0:58:20
In reply to Re: Does it have to be one or the other? » All Done, posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 20:31:47
> Of course not! Perhaps if one of the moderators was soliciting donations for the K.K.K....
Yes. I agree that would be a completely different set of circumstances that would warrant my stamp of disapproval. Makes me kind of think, though...this is probably just about each person's tolerance level and what they are willing to deal with for the sake of another benefit. Ugh. I think I'm too tired to think about this tonight, though :(.
> I'd be happy to see your name wherever I went.
Aww, thanks Gabbi! I appreciate that more than you know :).
Take care,
Laurie
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:00:38
In reply to Re: Does it have to be one or the other?, posted by gardenergirl on February 1, 2005, at 17:50:51
> Maybe we should have a giant tug of war?
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> ;)
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> No, I agree Laurie.
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> ggOh dear, I never, ever won in tug of war.
I'm really weak, you know. And I'm a clutz. Terrible combination for tug of war.
;)
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:01:32
In reply to IMHO it doesn't :-) (nm), posted by Fallen4MyT on February 1, 2005, at 17:44:31
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:11:40
In reply to Re: I got kicked off Psych Central (or) Dear Dr. John, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 23:47:25
Angielala,
First off - nice to see you, again!
Second, I'm sorry for what you went through today.
Third and most importantly, congratulations on your pregnancy!!! You must be so excited :).
Take care and big hugs to you and your little one,
Laurie
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:15:58
In reply to Does it have to be one or the other?, posted by All Done on February 1, 2005, at 17:36:28
Please know that I realize some posters have much deeper issues and histories with these sites than I do. I know people have been hurt and I understand why that hurt might drive them away from one of the sites to the other. Or even away from both. It's sad and I wish it didn't happen.
All I guess I'm trying to say is that I just hope we can all respect each others' decisions to post or not post at one and/or both sites.
Gosh. I'm just rambling terribly.
Time for bed.
Laurie
Posted by Dinah on February 2, 2005, at 1:20:49
In reply to Does it have to be one or the other?For some maybe, posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:15:58
Goodness yes, I respect whatever decision someone makes about that.
But I will admit to a wee bit of envy to those who feel completely comfortable at both. It must be nice to not feel completely dependent on one or the other to fill the need for a mental health internet support community.
Which is not so say I don't respect and support people who decide for whatever reason from feelings of alienation to a love of smiles or a dislike of smiles to post on one board or the other.
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:34:50
In reply to Re: Does it have to be one or the other?For some maybe » All Done, posted by Dinah on February 2, 2005, at 1:20:49
> Goodness yes, I respect whatever decision someone makes about that.
I think we all know that, Dinah. You have got to be the most respectful person here :).
Posted by Tabitha on February 2, 2005, at 2:47:07
In reply to Sort of interesting, I guess., posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 21:52:28
to the best of my recall...
It started out with a welcome, said "a little birdy" told him a bunch of ex-Babblers were there, then went into a list of points about his site. It said the site wasn't used for research ever, it isn't indexed by search engines, that he takes action if it ever does get indexed by search engines, he said the admin is done with a light hand there, he doesn't micromanage, and it isn't paternalistic/maternalistic. I think he said the admin is done with PMs, (private messages) but I'm not sure on that one. And there was a point about no suicidal posts like Gabbi said:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050128/msgs/451334.html
I think the controversial part was saying he doesn't micromanage and isn't paternalistic, and uses a light hand. Although he didn't say he was talking about admin here, from the context it was possibile to read it as saying Dr Bob's admin was micromanaging, paternalistic, and heavy-handed. But all in all I don't think it would have gotten a PBC, since you did have to insert the assumption that he was commenting on Dr Bob's admin in order to get an insult out of it.
TofuEmmy had made a cute follow-up post about how folks needed to approach us Babblers cautiously because we're all in text-only mode and likely to get spooked by smileys. She even used a plain old ASCII smiley out of deference. It was sweet. I actually went over there and tried to reply. I thought I'd bravely show her I could use one of the animated smileys. But I brought up the whole page full of animated smiley options and got stuck staring at them all for about 10 minutes, then gave up. Mostly I was trying to figure out why there's one with what looks like an oil funnel on top of its head, and another one with what looks like a floppy boxing glove. I couldn't imagine what emotion I could ever have that could get conveyed by those. I guess I pretty much only run the gamut from :-) to :-(, with an occasional ;-). I haven't quite even fully adopted :-D and :-P.
Come to think of it maybe that post about smileys was somewhere else?
Posted by Dinah on February 2, 2005, at 2:56:08
In reply to Re: I'll summarize » Dinah, posted by Tabitha on February 2, 2005, at 2:47:07
Regarding the smilies of course. I use emoticons a whole lot because it's hard to indicate tone in words. I like the tongue sticking out one. It seems to suit my tone a lot. :P. And the :-O. But I must confess I would be hard pressed to suit my mood to an oil funnel smilie.
I'll have to go back and check those out.
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:10:04
In reply to Does it have to be one or the other?, posted by All Done on February 1, 2005, at 17:36:28
Once again, I'm entering a thread late, so excuse my intrusion but I feel exactly the same as you. I post at both sites. I don't find it necessary to decide one over the other. They each offer something to me that the other doesn't. What is so hard or wrong with that? I don't recall signing up to saying that any site had exclusive rights to my posting and nor would I.
AG
> dr-bob.org and psychcentral.com
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> Does one have to be bad and the other good?
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> Do we have to choose where we get our education and support? Do we have to choose which posters we are going to befriend? It feels to me like many believe it has to be a choice. One or the other.
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> I post here. I post there. I like and dislike things about PsychoBabble. I like and dislike things about PsychCentral.
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> One thing remains constant, though. I like and feel loyal to *posters* at both places. I just can't deny myself the opportunity to make new friends and I definitely can't deny myself the opportunity to cultivate the friendships I already have.
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> Do you think Dr. Hsiung and Dr. Grohol mind if we post at both places? They shouldn't.
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> Just thinking outloud and feeling sad that I think a wall is going up (or growing higher?) between the two places :(.
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> Laurie
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:13:29
In reply to Sigh., posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 18:35:15
Dinah
I'm sorry that this issue is causing you such strife but for you, I think that your issue is deeper than that. In that long thread on admin if I recall properly you stated a loyalness to this site but with reluctancy. Maybe this is something that you need to discuss in therapy. Or maybe I'm full of sh*t. I'll leave it up to you to choose.
AG
> I just have managed one real post on Psych Central.
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> I was instantly overcome with the notion that I was cheating. Silly I know. Dr. Bob hasn't demanded monogamy from me. And he has many many posters. :)
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> In theory I believe you're absolutely right, though. I'm sure both sites have good and bad points, both administrators have good and bad points, etc. And posters should feel free to post any and everywhere they feel comfortable all over the internet.
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> I just need to readjust my feelings toward Babble a bit. But that's my issue.
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:23:58
In reply to First impression, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 19:31:14
I don't know who that poster was because in all honesty I didn't read your thread. I'm sorry that I didn't. I don't even really have an answer to why I didn't but I don't read all threads here either. What that poster wrote to you was what she would do. Maybe she wrote it in such a way that lead you to feel guilty. Did you discuss this with her? I didn't witness any of this so I have no idea to what happened really. But please don't judge all posters by that one, just as I would hope that you wouldn't do that here. There are some very wonderful people over there that make you feel extremely welcome. I'm only starting to get to know some of the posters. I have yet to spend a lot of time there and have slightly less than 100 posts so far. I feel for your situation and I'm sorry that you were upset by her reply and I can certainly understand why you would be. I would just advise you to gather all the info that you can and make the decision that makes you feel comfortable for both you and your unborn baby. Only you will know what that is. Just make an informed decision. I've sent my prayers to the man upstairs for you to have a normal, healthy pregnancy and a normal, healthy baby. I hope you will find peace in whatever you decide to do.
AG
> So I checked Psych Central out today... thought maybe I should post the Lamictal Pregnancy thing there, just in case. I got this poster telling me that if I was her that she wouldn't stay on the drug because if anything happens to the baby, I would have a lifetime of guilt. First impression of the place, the posters there do not have the same class as the posters here. I might be biased, but no one here would say that to the post that I posted (same post as here). Maybe it's just one bad poster... but God! Talk about trying to make someone feel pressured to follow their advice!
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> > dr-bob.org and psychcentral.com
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> > Does one have to be bad and the other good?
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> > Do we have to choose where we get our education and support? Do we have to choose which posters we are going to befriend? It feels to me like many believe it has to be a choice. One or the other.
> >
> > I post here. I post there. I like and dislike things about PsychoBabble. I like and dislike things about PsychCentral.
> >
> > One thing remains constant, though. I like and feel loyal to *posters* at both places. I just can't deny myself the opportunity to make new friends and I definitely can't deny myself the opportunity to cultivate the friendships I already have.
> >
> > Do you think Dr. Hsiung and Dr. Grohol mind if we post at both places? They shouldn't.
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> > Just thinking outloud and feeling sad that I think a wall is going up (or growing higher?) between the two places :(.
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> > Laurie
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Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:28:43
In reply to :-) » Gabbix2, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 20:38:13
> I do post on a doll board, though. That seems to be ok with my conscience.
It's a start Dinah. But maybe you'll be happy just to stay here and not venture to any other psych forums. That's certainly your perogrative and there is nothing wrong with that as long as that makes you happy. I just think if you stay here out of guilt or because you feel that you would be betraying Dr Bob, then maybe you should explore to why that is. It is your decision and you can go to whatever boards you want to or just stay here and end all this strife. Hugs sweetie.
AG
Posted by Dinah on February 2, 2005, at 4:00:17
In reply to Re: :-) » Dinah, posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:28:43
It's hard to convey emotions in a text setting, but my posts on this thread were light hearted in nature. I'm not expressing deep angst about it or anything. I'm just amused with myself and mildly envious of those who feel comfortable as many places as possible. :)
Posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2005, at 4:14:50
In reply to Re: :-) » Angel Girl, posted by Dinah on February 2, 2005, at 4:00:17
We wouldn't want it to be seen that Dr Bob was promoting or endorsing or condoning Dr John bashing over here...
Hmm.
I have posted similar things on both sites. Not because I want to compare responses with respect to *better* or *worse* but because more responses can be more helpful. If you really have a question and want to hear a variety of opinions on that then it makes sense to widen your audience.
I have also complained about something I didn't like over there over here. Because I am used to bringing stuff I don't like here. I came here because I didn't know what to do. Ok so at first I was *horrified* because I thought that was ok on that site (not knowing the rules). But then once I had calmed down I figured that it most probably was not and figured that the appropriate thing to do was to tell a moderator. I went to do that and found PM's from people telling me exactly that.
I felt bad for having jumped to conclusions.
I didn't get a response but the thing was edited out along with a message saying 'do not open downloads or attachments if triggered by SI'.
I wasn't terribly happy with that. Was left wondering whether it is ok to do that and whether it was my problem for opening the attachment...
... all that being said Dr Bob can be frustratingly ambiguous at times too.
Nobody is perfect.
I didn't know that PM's were how admin type issues were dealt with. Thanks for that.
I wonder if I was one of the PC bashers :-(
That was never my intention...
Posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2005, at 4:24:36
In reply to I think we should be very careful..., posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2005, at 4:14:50
Ah. And now I discover the above thread and it makes much more sense.
Ouch peoples.
Ouch.
Posted by Angielala on February 2, 2005, at 12:49:18
In reply to Re: First impression » Angielala, posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:23:58
Thank you for your prayers.
What it comes down to is that I emailed Dr. John before any of this stuff started, adn asked him how he likes his posters to deal with things that upset them- he disregarded that. He assumed.
I see that you really like PC, but please stop trying to solve everything- you will drive yourself nutty.
Let's just let it go.
> I don't know who that poster was because in all honesty I didn't read your thread. I'm sorry that I didn't. I don't even really have an answer to why I didn't but I don't read all threads here either. What that poster wrote to you was what she would do. Maybe she wrote it in such a way that lead you to feel guilty. Did you discuss this with her? I didn't witness any of this so I have no idea to what happened really. But please don't judge all posters by that one, just as I would hope that you wouldn't do that here. There are some very wonderful people over there that make you feel extremely welcome. I'm only starting to get to know some of the posters. I have yet to spend a lot of time there and have slightly less than 100 posts so far. I feel for your situation and I'm sorry that you were upset by her reply and I can certainly understand why you would be. I would just advise you to gather all the info that you can and make the decision that makes you feel comfortable for both you and your unborn baby. Only you will know what that is. Just make an informed decision. I've sent my prayers to the man upstairs for you to have a normal, healthy pregnancy and a normal, healthy baby. I hope you will find peace in whatever you decide to do.
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> AG
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> > So I checked Psych Central out today... thought maybe I should post the Lamictal Pregnancy thing there, just in case. I got this poster telling me that if I was her that she wouldn't stay on the drug because if anything happens to the baby, I would have a lifetime of guilt. First impression of the place, the posters there do not have the same class as the posters here. I might be biased, but no one here would say that to the post that I posted (same post as here). Maybe it's just one bad poster... but God! Talk about trying to make someone feel pressured to follow their advice!
> >
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> > > dr-bob.org and psychcentral.com
> > >
> > > Does one have to be bad and the other good?
> > >
> > > Do we have to choose where we get our education and support? Do we have to choose which posters we are going to befriend? It feels to me like many believe it has to be a choice. One or the other.
> > >
> > > I post here. I post there. I like and dislike things about PsychoBabble. I like and dislike things about PsychCentral.
> > >
> > > One thing remains constant, though. I like and feel loyal to *posters* at both places. I just can't deny myself the opportunity to make new friends and I definitely can't deny myself the opportunity to cultivate the friendships I already have.
> > >
> > > Do you think Dr. Hsiung and Dr. Grohol mind if we post at both places? They shouldn't.
> > >
> > > Just thinking outloud and feeling sad that I think a wall is going up (or growing higher?) between the two places :(.
> > >
> > > Laurie
> >
> >
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Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 13:21:28
In reply to Re: First impression, posted by Angielala on February 2, 2005, at 12:49:18
Your welcome on the prayers.
I don't think I made a statement that I really like PC. What I did say is that I post in both places. Each have their good and bad points. Today, I'm not finding much good over here.
Perhaps when you PMd DocJohn you didn't give him enough time to respond. I also PMd him today on something that was said here that really concerned me so I wanted clarification in order to determine whether I could now feel safe over there. Although he was present on the boards when I sent that PM, it did take quite awhile before he responded. I was beginning to think that I was being ignored but he eventually did respond. So, perhaps you didn't wait long enough?
What did he assume? You've lost me on that one.
And maybe I could let it go, if others could let it go but when I see a post today from someone who posts on both sites that bothers me, then you can be assured that I am definitely going to respond and that I did. My response was not to flame that poster but to determine how safe I was now on that site and to remind her of why I went over there to begin with. I have had a discussion with DocJohn in private today via PM and I feel a lot better. I have also had a discusion in private via PM with one of the moderators when she read both my post and the post that I was responding to. I am not trying to fix things, I'm asking that the privacy and safety of the posters over there be honoured and I really don't think it was appropriate IMHO to come over here and bash that site. Some babblers, including me post there.
If you don't like that site, that's your perogrative but there is no reason for bashing IMHO.
AG
> Thank you for your prayers.
>
> What it comes down to is that I emailed Dr. John before any of this stuff started, adn asked him how he likes his posters to deal with things that upset them- he disregarded that. He assumed.
>
> I see that you really like PC, but please stop trying to solve everything- you will drive yourself nutty.
>
> Let's just let it go.
>
Posted by Angielala on February 2, 2005, at 13:38:13
In reply to Re: First impression » Angielala, posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 13:21:28
I dont' want to type it all out again, there are a million posts by me explaining what Dr. John did to me. All I will say is that he replied to the email I sent to him asking for his help with how to handle the situation by telling me that I was playing games with him. Mind you this was the very first email he ever sent me.
But it doesn't matter. None of it does. It's jsut an internet board- it's not all that important anyways.
> Your welcome on the prayers.
>
> I don't think I made a statement that I really like PC. What I did say is that I post in both places. Each have their good and bad points. Today, I'm not finding much good over here.
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> Perhaps when you PMd DocJohn you didn't give him enough time to respond. I also PMd him today on something that was said here that really concerned me so I wanted clarification in order to determine whether I could now feel safe over there. Although he was present on the boards when I sent that PM, it did take quite awhile before he responded. I was beginning to think that I was being ignored but he eventually did respond. So, perhaps you didn't wait long enough?
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> What did he assume? You've lost me on that one.
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> And maybe I could let it go, if others could let it go but when I see a post today from someone who posts on both sites that bothers me, then you can be assured that I am definitely going to respond and that I did. My response was not to flame that poster but to determine how safe I was now on that site and to remind her of why I went over there to begin with. I have had a discussion with DocJohn in private today via PM and I feel a lot better. I have also had a discusion in private via PM with one of the moderators when she read both my post and the post that I was responding to. I am not trying to fix things, I'm asking that the privacy and safety of the posters over there be honoured and I really don't think it was appropriate IMHO to come over here and bash that site. Some babblers, including me post there.
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> If you don't like that site, that's your perogrative but there is no reason for bashing IMHO.
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> AG
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> > Thank you for your prayers.
> >
> > What it comes down to is that I emailed Dr. John before any of this stuff started, adn asked him how he likes his posters to deal with things that upset them- he disregarded that. He assumed.
> >
> > I see that you really like PC, but please stop trying to solve everything- you will drive yourself nutty.
> >
> > Let's just let it go.
> >
>
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 2, 2005, at 15:05:16
In reply to Re: I got kicked off Psych Central (or) Dear Dr. John, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 23:47:25
> Gab-
>
>> > Thank you for making me feel less alone.. and for making me laugh... seeing him all tweaked out in an alley ranting about Babble.. hehe...I'm so glad I could make you laugh, and feel less alone : ) I think Doctors are fair targets, there is always so much ammunition, and they can take expensive vacations to recover.
That was a nasty thing to happen. I have to say though, if I associated the boards to closely with moderators I probably wouldn't post here either, I've seen people very hurt by admin decisions here too.
P.S
I loved the *monsters of the deep* on your website.
Posted by Angielala on February 2, 2005, at 15:15:38
In reply to Re: I got kicked off Psych Central (or) Dear Dr. John » Angielala, posted by Gabbix2 on February 2, 2005, at 15:05:16
You went to my website?? Yeah!!! Did you watch the baby squid?
> > Gab-
> >
> >> > Thank you for making me feel less alone.. and for making me laugh... seeing him all tweaked out in an alley ranting about Babble.. hehe...
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> I'm so glad I could make you laugh, and feel less alone : ) I think Doctors are fair targets, there is always so much ammunition, and they can take expensive vacations to recover.
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> That was a nasty thing to happen. I have to say though, if I associated the boards to closely with moderators I probably wouldn't post here either, I've seen people very hurt by admin decisions here too.
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> P.S
> I loved the *monsters of the deep* on your website.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 2, 2005, at 22:46:12
In reply to Re: First impression » Angielala, posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 13:21:28
> I really don't think it was appropriate IMHO to come over here and bash that site.
Sorry, but please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 23:24:39
In reply to Re: please be civil » Angel Girl, posted by Dr. Bob on February 2, 2005, at 22:46:12
> > I really don't think it was appropriate IMHO to come over here and bash that site.
>
> Sorry, but please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BobSorry Dr Bob but I don't know of any other way of making that comment.
Again, maybe somebody could help me? I have read the FAQ.
AG
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