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Posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 12:36:05
I just received this in my email
WEEKLY WORDS OF WISDOM
on the World Wide Web
chosen by Lama Surya Das
* * * * * * * * *
Asked how those in the Buddhist Dharma life should respond to times like
these, and how they should live their lives in a world where evil runs
like an open sewer; the great contemporary Tibetan master Khenpo Thrangu
Rinpoche said:"You must counter the negative energy with as much positive thought and
action as you can possibly muster. You must unceasingly sustain
Bodhisattva action. It is the Buddha's teaching to make of ourselves an
example, a light, a beacon."Emmy - current running around 5 watts
Posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 14:24:04
In reply to Iraq, Bush, other things that make me sad, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 12:36:05
i think you're running more than that. you've been a light to me...you've stood with me, by me and ahead of me.....that's a lot of wattage!
Posted by gabbix2 on July 28, 2004, at 16:22:03
In reply to Iraq, Bush, other things that make me sad, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 12:36:05
I bet even the Tibeten Master had his 5 watt days, maybe when he had a bit of the sniffles, and another Ass**** flicked ashes in his begging bowl..
Posted by jay on July 28, 2004, at 16:39:51
In reply to Iraq, Bush, other things that make me sad, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 12:36:05
I mean this in the best way....take your protest to the ballot box and *make* your voice be heard. If you can...try to do other things like volunteer(sp?) for the candidate you want...go to protest and march in protests...send and sign protests...watch and read stuff that will empower you, like alternative magazines..online places like www.motherjones.com .....run for office yourself! (I know...sounds silly...but hey..) And remember...*WE* got Michael Moore on our side, so if you are against Bush et al, "hell hath no furry!!!"..lol. :-)
eternal peace, and eternal happiness.....
Jay
Posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 16:48:37
In reply to American Election coming up.take anger to ballot » TofuEmmy, posted by jay on July 28, 2004, at 16:39:51
see if there are any petitions to protest electronic voting. I'm a programmer, and I actually like debugging other people's code and NO WAY do I trust electronic voting without a paper trail.
From Yesterday's New York Times (the opinion section):
July 27, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Fear of Fraud
By PAUL KRUGMANIt's election night, and early returns suggest trouble for the incumbent. Then, mysteriously, the vote count stops and observers from the challenger's campaign see employees of a voting-machine company, one wearing a badge that identifies him as a county official, typing instructions at computers with access to the vote-tabulating software.
When the count resumes, the incumbent pulls ahead. The challenger demands an investigation. But there are no ballots to recount, and election officials allied with the incumbent refuse to release data that could shed light on whether there was tampering with the electronic records.
This isn't a paranoid fantasy. It's a true account of a recent election in Riverside County, Calif., reported by Andrew Gumbel of the British newspaper The Independent. Mr. Gumbel's full-length report, printed in Los Angeles City Beat, makes hair-raising reading not just because it reinforces concerns about touch-screen voting, but also because it shows how easily officials can stonewall after a suspect election.
Some states, worried about the potential for abuse with voting machines that leave no paper trail, have banned their use this November. But Florida, which may well decide the presidential race, is not among those states, and last month state officials rejected a request to allow independent audits of the machines' integrity. A spokesman for Gov. Jeb Bush accused those seeking audits of trying to "undermine voters' confidence," and declared, "The governor has every confidence in the Department of State and the Division of Elections."
Should the public share that confidence? Consider the felon list.
Florida law denies the vote to convicted felons. In 2000 the state hired a firm to purge supposed felons from the list of registered voters; these voters were turned away from the polls. After the election, determined by 537 votes, it became clear that thousands of people had been wrongly disenfranchised. Since those misidentified as felons were disproportionately Democratic-leaning African-Americans, these errors may have put George W. Bush in the White House.
This year, Florida again hired a private company - Accenture, which recently got a homeland security contract worth up to $10 billion - to prepare a felon list. Remembering 2000, journalists sought copies. State officials stonewalled, but a judge eventually ordered the list released.
The Miami Herald quickly discovered that 2,100 citizens who had been granted clemency, restoring their voting rights, were nonetheless on the banned-voter list. Then The Sarasota Herald-Tribune discovered that only 61 of more than 47,000 supposed felons were Hispanic. So the list would have wrongly disenfranchised many legitimate African-American voters, while wrongly enfranchising many Hispanic felons. It escaped nobody's attention that in Florida, Hispanic voters tend to support Republicans.
After first denying any systematic problem, state officials declared it an innocent mistake. They told Accenture to match a list of registered voters to a list of felons, flagging anyone whose name, date of birth and race was the same on both lists. They didn't realize, they said, that this would automatically miss felons who identified themselves as Hispanic because that category exists on voter rolls but not in state criminal records.
But employees of a company that prepared earlier felon lists say that they repeatedly warned state election officials about that very problem.
Let's not be coy. Jeb Bush says he won't allow an independent examination of voting machines because he has "every confidence" in his handpicked election officials. Yet those officials have a history of slipshod performance on other matters related to voting and somehow their errors always end up favoring Republicans. Why should anyone trust their verdict on the integrity of voting machines, when another convenient mistake could deliver a Republican victory in a high-stakes national election?
This shouldn't be a partisan issue. Think about what a tainted election would do to America's sense of itself, and its role in the world. In the face of official stonewalling, doubters probably wouldn't be able to prove one way or the other whether the vote count was distorted - but if the result looked suspicious, most of the world and many Americans would believe the worst. I'll write soon about what can be done in the few weeks that remain, but here's a first step: if Governor Bush cares at all about the future of the nation, as well as his family's political fortunes, he will allow that independent audit.
Posted by TexasChic on July 28, 2004, at 17:33:16
In reply to Re: take anger to ballot - and while you're at it » jay, posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 16:48:37
I've always wondered how we can *really* know the results. I mean *I* haven't counted them. I don't *know* the people counting them. How do we know *anybody* counts them at all? I've always had this image in my mind of the country being run by an elite group business men, all deciding who becomes the next president, while they have the election to pacify the masses and make us think we actually have some say in the matter. That's my own conspiracy theory anyway.
Posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 18:00:00
In reply to Re: take anger to ballot - and while you're at it » jay, posted by AuntieMel on July 28, 2004, at 16:48:37
May I suggest joining MoveOn.org, TrueMajority.com and Common Cause on the 'net. MoveOn volunteers met two weeks ago and registered 10,000 voters by using our home and cell phones....TrueMajority has a wonderful mobile unit that has a big figure of someone that we all know and his pants are on fire (as in liar, liar)..I've volunteered to drive it through Oklahoma City....Common Cause holds the FCC accountable and so far we've kept people like Robert Murdoch from owning ALL of the media outlets that are available. We sent over 300K e.mails to Congress on the media issue. Since I work 7 days a week, I have to have something that I can do in the evenings and early mornings. Internet activism is perfect for me. Try it, it works and you'll have a tremendous good feeling about doing something about your future in this good ole USofA.
Posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 18:06:22
In reply to Re: Iraq, Bush, other things that make me sad » TofuEmmy, posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 14:24:04
Thanks Fayeroe...that was very kind. Just having a pilky week, ya know? It will improve. Em
Posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 18:16:14
In reply to aww Em, give yourself a break, posted by gabbix2 on July 28, 2004, at 16:22:03
Are you old enough to remember Godspell?
You are the light of the world!
You are the light of the world!
But if that light is under a bushel,
It's lost something kind of crucial
You've got to stay bright to be the light of the worldLots of great music lies there in. I used to wander the neighborhood with my buddy singing the entire album. We thought we were cool. Yikes. Em
Posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 18:21:09
In reply to American Election coming up.take anger to ballot » TofuEmmy, posted by jay on July 28, 2004, at 16:39:51
"hell hath no furry!!!"..lol. :-)
this cracked me up...thank you!
Believe me, I don't sit on me duff for elections. One of the reasons I'm single is that my ex voted for Nadar! Imagine our household during the whole hanging chad incident? It wasn't purdy. :-)
Em
Posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 20:12:30
In reply to Re: American Election coming up.take anger to ballot » jay, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 18:21:09
There is a marvelous article in "Slate" magazine, online.....It is about two more movies that were made by progressives. One is called "The Hunting of a President" and the other is about Fox news. "Outfoxed". I just read the article and thought everyone would enjoy it. Then we have to see the movies. I've noticed, in my work, that I am meeting more people who are upset with the way things are now. In fact, some of them have surprised me. AND all are very passionate about changing their minds and votes...
Posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 21:47:00
In reply to Re: take anger to ballot - and while you're at it » AuntieMel, posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 18:00:00
You sound like a woman after my own heart. I do the same thing for mental health via student organizations in my state and at the national level.
You go girl!
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 21:50:01
In reply to Re: American Election coming up.take anger to ballot » TofuEmmy, posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 20:12:30
My hubby ordered "Outfoxed" and was pretty impressed. It's kind of sad that according to the filmmaker, "watching Fox news makes you stupid!"
But then I watched a bit of convention coverage on Fox, and I see what they meant.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 21:53:00
In reply to Re: American Election coming up.take anger to ballot » TofuEmmy, posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 20:12:30
I just wanted to add that I ordered my Kerry/Edwards yard sign and car flag yesterday. I can't wait to drive around advertising my candidate! I also will be putting a yard sign up for the Democratic candidate who is the running against my US rep. A republican who is behind the Federal Marriage Amendment and who refuses to support the Paul Wellstone Memorial Mental Health Parity Act. I want this guy out! I've donated money to campaign and plan to attend some events, dissertation permitting.
Please make your voices heard, however you decide to vote. That is what a democracy is all about.
gg
Posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2004, at 21:55:18
In reply to Re: American Election coming up.take anger to ballot » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 21:50:01
I fear people like Bill O'Reilly. It's just plain scary that someone like him has a news program.......but, oh wait, I forgot that Rush Limbaugh has a program also!!! At least we have Air America. You can get it on the internet. These fingers were made for typing! And clicking.
Posted by TexasChic on July 29, 2004, at 11:03:32
In reply to Iraq, Bush, other things that make me sad, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 12:36:05
For some reason I found the quote uplifting rather than sad. We can't let these things that are out of our control get us down. We all have to keep up that positive energy. Okay, so some days are harder than others, much harder, but it's a good attitude to have. :-)
Posted by AuntieMel on July 29, 2004, at 11:05:09
In reply to Re: American Election coming up.take anger to ballot » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on July 28, 2004, at 21:50:01
I watched a bit of it too. There was no watching the convention, though. It was on in the background while 'fair and balanced' commentators talked rubbish. The only time they quit was when they looked back at the speaker and yelled "that's a lie"
Posted by gardenergirl on July 30, 2004, at 7:36:15
In reply to Re: Don't you mean convention yelling? » gardenergirl, posted by AuntieMel on July 29, 2004, at 11:05:09
Ugh, I hate that too. I made my husband put it back on CSPAN. He had it on whatever channel Chris Hannity is on, and I just wanted to start yelling back. It reminded me of my brother and my mother who both talk over each other. AAARRRGGGHHH! I can only listen to one person at a time.
Didn't we learn that in kindergarden? Take turns and don't interrupt. Perhaps if the most important quality to be a talking head is this ability to talk over one (yeah, Bill O'Reilly gives people the last word HA!)...maybe my mom and my bro should start a show!
gg
Posted by partlycloudy on July 30, 2004, at 8:01:50
In reply to Re: American Election coming up.take anger to ballot » jay, posted by TofuEmmy on July 28, 2004, at 18:21:09
If you'd like to watch it sans commentary :)
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