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Posted by madison88 on September 13, 2002, at 16:07:17
In reply to An experiment. What do these words mean to you?, posted by kid a on September 13, 2002, at 12:46:36
dear me. how i was mistaken to assume that intellectual responses were beckened by such a post. if you are going to put literature up you should expect that some people might actually take you seriously and attempt to pour out a meaningful response. what a waste of time. i promise you i won't make the same mistake twice.
Posted by m3 on September 13, 2002, at 16:29:52
In reply to and i thought you wanted something profound, posted by madison88 on September 13, 2002, at 16:07:17
I would guess this is from Greek tragedy. The storyline certainly fits, and the editions of Shakespeare I've read were a little lighter with the thou's and wilt's.It doesn't trigger anything horrible in me except, as madison88 said, a sense of shared grief. On the other hand, I don't have any kids.
I do hope you'll share the source with us at some point. But I guess there's always Google.
Posted by BeardedLady on September 13, 2002, at 16:39:46
In reply to and i thought you wanted something profound, posted by madison88 on September 13, 2002, at 16:07:17
> Re: and i thought you wanted something profound
Gosh, I thought what I said WAS profound. Hmph.
> dear me. how i was mistaken to assume that intellectual responses were beckened by such a post. if you are going to put literature up you should expect that some people might actually take you seriously and attempt to pour out a meaningful response.
And what was wrong with my response? Was it not as deep as yours? I took it seriously and answered it that way. The question was, "What do these words mean to YOU?" You answered what they meant to you, and I answered what they meant to me. There can be no right or wrong answer to that kind of question!
> what a waste of time. i promise you i won't make the same mistake twice.
Sorry you feel that way. I can't figure out why your knickers are in a bunch, though.
beardy
Posted by kid a on September 13, 2002, at 16:54:02
In reply to and i thought you wanted something profound, posted by madison88 on September 13, 2002, at 16:07:17
> dear me. how i was mistaken to assume that intellectual responses were beckened by such a post.
Whose post? My post... Did I not keep the tone serious enough... It wasn't a joke thread, so I respect everyones point of view, including yours. I was waiting until a few other people chimed in to post my replies, but posted one quick one to another poster I'm very familiar with...
> if you are going to put literature up you should expect that some people might actually take you seriously and attempt to pour out a meaningful response.
I respected your input, I don't see how you think that I didn't... maybe because I didn't respond immediately to you... As concerns my seriousness in any post I make, I'll put this down to the fact that you don't really know me at all...
> what a waste of time. i promise you i won't make the same mistake twice.
thats your choice, it doesnt affect me in the slightest, but as was said, I really don't understand why you're so miffed...
Posted by kid a on September 13, 2002, at 17:00:25
In reply to SPOW » kid a, posted by BeardedLady on September 13, 2002, at 15:49:14
> P.S. Save me a google search; where was the line from?m3 was correct in his origin, its from the play Medea, by Euripides circa 423 BC...
in the play, Medea aids Jason in stealing the golden fleece, deters her father by cutting up her brother, later kills her children when she learns of Jason's infidelities...
to me it reminds me of the painting "Saturn Devouring His Children", by Francisco Jose de Goya...
Posted by m3 on September 13, 2002, at 17:16:51
In reply to Medea » BeardedLady, posted by kid a on September 13, 2002, at 17:00:25
> m3 was correct in his origin, its from the play Medea, by Euripides circa 423 BC...hm. assuming the "his" refers to me, I'm debating whether it would be fun to pretend maleness on the board for a while. but I guess those who know me from Open would eventually jump in.
I think I would still enjoy it if people used various gender pronouns for me though. I generally try to inhabit an ambiguously gendered space. :)
Posted by ~Alii~ on September 13, 2002, at 17:21:42
In reply to Re: Medea, posted by m3 on September 13, 2002, at 17:16:51
Posted by kid a on September 13, 2002, at 17:42:52
In reply to Re: Medea, posted by m3 on September 13, 2002, at 17:16:51
> hm. assuming the "his" refers to me, I'm debating whether it would be fun to pretend maleness on the board for a while. but I guess those who know me from Open would eventually jump in.i dont know why i assumed you were male, i dont think i've even read any of your other posts yet... besides the females outnumber the males on this board 99 to 1... ooopserz...
> I think I would still enjoy it if people used various gender pronouns for me though. I generally try to inhabit an ambiguously gendered space. :)
i'm David Bowie cira Aladdin Sane, im the fantabulous Myra Breckinridge...
Posted by kid a on September 13, 2002, at 17:50:43
In reply to Re: Medea » m3, posted by kid a on September 13, 2002, at 17:42:52
We Suck Young Blood
are you hungry?
are you sick?
are you begging for a break?are you sweet?
are you fresh?
are you strung up by the wrists?we want the young blood (la-la-la-la)
are you fracturing?
did you do anything?
are you torn at the seams?
fleabitten? motheaten?we suck young blood (la-la-la-la)
we want the young blood (la-la-la-la)won't let the creeping ivy?
won't let the nervous bury me
our veins are thin
our rivers poisonedwe want the sweet meats (la-la-la-la)
we want the young blood (la-la-la-la)
-radiohead "we suck young blood" (unreleased)
Posted by m3 on September 13, 2002, at 23:07:03
In reply to more waste of time..., posted by kid a on September 13, 2002, at 17:50:43
I'm jealous, where did you get an unreleased Radiohead track?
Posted by kid a on September 14, 2002, at 0:03:18
In reply to Re: more waste of time..., posted by m3 on September 13, 2002, at 23:07:03
there are a number of mp3 rips that have been released of the various gigs they have been doing in Spain etc to test out their new album thats due out next march 2003 or so...a lot of the new songs debuted at their Lisbon, Portugal show, including the one i quoted, which is also quite good...
believe it or not, the band highly encourages this type of stuff, at one of their older shows for the KID A sessions they would stop and announce each song so the people recording would know what the name of it was... you can even hear them say "for all you people taping..." or somesuch...
probably the best, most complete site for radiohead info is http://www.greenplastic.com/ if you click on -new album- you can get lyrics and song info about some of the live tracks which may or may not appear on the studio album...
you can try alt.binaries.music.radiohead if you're familiar w/ usenet... i get them off of private ftp sites... if you have broadband or extreme patience i can put them on an ftp...
(im a extreme radiohead freak... hence the kid a name... heh)
Posted by ayrity on September 14, 2002, at 1:32:42
In reply to Re: more waste of time... » m3, posted by kid a on September 14, 2002, at 0:03:18
Hey, kid a:
In the same creepy spirit, I've always found this poem rather chilling (a real oldie but a goodie):Why dois your brand sae drap wi' bluid,
Edward, Edward?
Why dois your brand sae drap wi' bluid?
And why sae sad gang ye, O?
O, I hae killed my hauke sae guid,
Mither, mither,
O, I hae killed my hauke sae guid,
And I had nae mair bot hee, O.Your haukis bluid was nevir sae reid,
Edward, Edward,
Your haukis bluid was nevir sae reid,
My deir son I tell thee, O.
O, I hae killed my reid-roan steid,
Mither, mither,
O, I hae killed my reid-roan steid,
That erst was sae fair and frie, O.Your steid was auld, and ye hae gat mair,
Edward, Edward,
Your steid was auld, and ye hae gat mair,
Sum other dule ye drie, O.
O, I hae killed my fadir deir,
Mither, mither,
O, I hae killed my fadir deir,
Alas, and wae is mee, O.And whatten penance wul ye drie for that,
Edward, Edward?
And whatten penance will ye drie for that?
My deir son, now tell me, O.
Ile set my feit in yonder boat,
Mither, mither,
Il set my feit in yonder boat,
And Ile fare ovir the sea, O.And what wul ye doe wi' your towirs and your ha',
Edward, Edward?
And what wul ye doe wi' your towirs and your ha',
That were sae fair to see, O?
Ile let thame stand tul they doun fa',
Mither, mither,
Ile let thame stand tul they doun fa',
For here nevir mair maun I bee, O.And what wul ye leive to your bairns and your wife,
Edward, Edward?
And what wul ye leive to your bairns and your wife,
Whan ye gang ovir the sea, O?
The warldis room, late them beg thrae life,
Mither, mither,
The warldis room, let them beg thrae life,
For thame nevir mair wul I see, O.And what wul ye leive to your ain mither deir,
Edward, Edward?
And what wul ye leive to your ain mither deir?
My deir son, now tell mee, O.
The curse of hell frae me sall ye beir,
Mither, mither,
The curse of hell frae me sall ye beir,
Sic counseils ye gave to me, O.
Posted by BeardedLady on September 14, 2002, at 6:02:16
In reply to Another one..., posted by ayrity on September 14, 2002, at 1:32:42
Hey, maw, I killed my horse.
Hey, maw, I killed my horse.
But she done fallen sick, o'course.
Posted by kid a on September 14, 2002, at 13:39:09
In reply to Where country music has its roots! » ayrity, posted by BeardedLady on September 14, 2002, at 6:02:16
the ballads that bob dyllan wrote..Ballad of Hollis Brown
Hollis Brown
He lived on the outside of town
Hollis Brown
He lived on the outside of town
With his wife and five children
And his cabin fallin' downYou looked for work and money
And you walked a rugged mile
You looked for work and money
And you walked a rugged mile
Your children are so hungry
That they don't know how to smileYour baby's eyes look crazy
They're a-tuggin' at your sleeve
Your baby's eyes look crazy
They're a-tuggin' at your sleeve
You walk the floor and wonder why
With every breath you breatheThe rats have got your flour
Bad blood it got your mare
The rats have got your flour
Bad blood it got your mare
If there's anyone that knows
Is there anyone that cares?You prayed to the Lord above
Oh please send you a friend
You prayed to the Lord above
Oh please send you a friend
Your empty pockets tell yuh
That you ain't a-got no friendYour babies are crying louder
It's pounding on your brain
Your babies are crying louder now
It's pounding on your brain
Your wife's screams are stabbin' you
Like the dirty drivin' rainYour grass it is turning black
There's no water in your well
Your grass is turning black
There's no water in your well
You spent your last lone dollar
On seven shotgun shellsWay out in the wilderness
A cold coyote calls
Way out in the wilderness
A cold coyote calls
Your eyes fix on the shotgun
That's hangin' on the wallYour brain is a-bleedin'
And your legs can't seem to stand
Your brain is a-bleedin'
And your legs can't seem to stand
Your eyes fix on the shotgun
That you're holdin' in your handThere's seven breezes a-blowin'
All around the cabin door
There's seven breezes a-blowin'
All around the cabin door
Seven shots ring out
Like the ocean's pounding roarThere's seven people dead
On a South Dakota farm
There's seven people dead
On a South Dakota farm
Somewhere in the distance
There's seven new people born
Posted by Tabitha Šëëš Ýôú on September 14, 2002, at 15:51:58
In reply to i remember that one too from HS, it reminds me of, posted by kid a on September 14, 2002, at 13:39:09
Posted by Tabitha Šëëš Ýôú on September 14, 2002, at 16:26:16
In reply to SPOW » kid a, posted by BeardedLady on September 13, 2002, at 15:49:14
Do you really feel that we're all strangers here? That we don't know each other? I think I know quite a lot about you and the other babblers. Of course we only know each other by our writing, but isn't knowing another person always a limited endeavor?
Posted by BeardedLady on September 14, 2002, at 17:43:46
In reply to Re: SPOW, strangers, etc. » BeardedLady, posted by Tabitha Šëëš Ýôú on September 14, 2002, at 16:26:16
Yes, I really do believe that most folks here are strangers--to me. That's how I have treated the boards. It was my intention going into it.
And yes, I do believe we don't know each other. Do you know that my real personality is what is revealed here? Are you seeing all sides of me? My friends do. My family does. But folks on an internet bulletin board?
By the same token, I wouldn't expect much to be revealed by other posters. My great friend Wendy, a poster on this board with whom I discovered many similarities (as well as huge differences), and I developed an e-mail relationship and have now visited each other twice. I can say I know her. I feel like I've known her all my life.
But that's a relationship I nurtured. It began with some superficial posts, but I'd have never "known" her if it had ended there. In my opinion, her personality is nothing like what she reveals here!
And yes, knowing another person is always limited to what that person wants revealed. But it's a lot harder to hide who you are when you live next door.
I would say the little you know (not a lot) is superficial stuff, like what I do for a living, what kind of music I like, what my hobbies are. Usually it's from that point that people decide whether they want to know each other; those things, however, don't make a person known.
But thanks for asking. It made me think. And that's another thing about me: I like thinking!
beardy
Posted by BeardedLady on September 14, 2002, at 19:31:24
In reply to i remember that one too from HS, it reminds me of, posted by kid a on September 14, 2002, at 13:39:09
Posted by Tabitha Šëëš Ýôú on September 15, 2002, at 0:44:46
In reply to getting to know you » Tabitha Šëëš Ýôú , posted by BeardedLady on September 14, 2002, at 17:43:46
Well of course I don't know you as well as someone like Wendy you've chosen to get closer to off the board. I do think though, that by reading posts I get a sense of the other posters' personalities beyond just the basic facts like profession and interests. You project a very distinct personality here, though you don't talk about your emotional state and vulnerabilities as much as some. But I read something from that fact too. Of course you could be very different in person than my sense of you.
I tend to trust that people are showing *some* facet of themselves here, even if it's not the same face they present in person. So the personalities do become real to me. (Some people might even reveal themselves more here than they would in person.)
The mention of SPOW got me to thinking. I don't want to be super-sensitive to the point that I can't participate, but I don't think I could decide to not let anything that's said here hurt me either. I have pretty much the same types of emotional reactions to people here as in real life. In fact I want it to be that way, so I can use this place to work out my relationship issues. That's just my approach.
Posted by BeardedLady on September 15, 2002, at 6:07:02
In reply to Re: getting to know you » BeardedLady, posted by Tabitha Šëëš Ýôú on September 15, 2002, at 0:44:46
It's important that we all do what works for us.
I have been pretty good about not posting so much in the past month and a half, and now I'm getting back to posting more, which I'm not interested in doing. It's a little addicting.
And I seem to spend more time here when I find myself caring--like about Tina, for example. So I check in now and then and find something that begs for my change (you know, my two cents).
As far as SPOW goes, I guess I didn't mean that nothing really hurts my feelings. I meant that if something is rude or said in anger, I would jump on it and debate with that person, rather than simply object to it.
For things directed at me personally, I think that's a little different. Like the way those posters attacked Dinah. I wouldn't have been offended, as they were just plain wrong, but I would have kept them from posting if I could have.
Take care, keyboard queen.
beardy
Posted by trouble on September 16, 2002, at 5:44:48
In reply to An experiment. What do these words mean to you?, posted by kid a on September 13, 2002, at 12:46:36
>
> My friends, I am resolved upon the deed; at once will I slay my children and then leave this land, without delaying long enough to hand them over to some more savage hand to butcher. Needs must they die in any case; and since they must, I will slay them-I, the mother that bare them. O heart of mine, steel thyself! Why do I hesitate to do the awful deed that must be done? Come, take the sword, thou wretched hand of mine! Take it, and advance to the post whence starts thy life of sorrow! Away with cowardice! Give not one thought to thy babes, how dear they are or how thou art their mother. This one brief day forget thy children dear, and after that lament; for though thou wilt slay them yet they were thy darlings still, and I am a lady of sorrows.
>
> ~~~
>
> ...yes, we know this is literature because of the holy thous and wilts and thys... that's a dead giveaway isnt it? but the subject matter... what about that...?
>
> how does it make you feel, what does it make you think of... whats more important, the words or the source?
>daddy is a childfucker
trouble
Posted by Mal on September 16, 2002, at 8:03:56
In reply to Re: SPOW, strangers, etc. » BeardedLady, posted by Tabitha Šëëš Ýôú on September 14, 2002, at 16:26:16
> Do you really feel that we're all strangers here? That we don't know each other? I think I know quite a lot about you and the other babblers. Of course we only know each other by our writing, but isn't knowing another person always a limited endeavor?
You and BeardedLady bring up an interesting exchange. I would post messages here that I wouldn't necessarily share with my "real world" friends. Not that I am running a sham on my IRL friends and family, it is just that I could post here about fears, concerns, emotions because I don't like to show vulnerability out here in the world. Because you guys don't know me, I can get some feedback on some areas of my mind& life that I really have trouble admitting to myself, not to mention people who know where I live!This is just my perspective... Have a good week... MAL
Posted by IsoM on September 16, 2002, at 14:02:28
In reply to Another one..., posted by ayrity on September 14, 2002, at 1:32:42
...but very tragic. Childe Ballad #13. I love the old sorrowful English ballads.
Ever heard of Where The Wild Roses Grow by Nick Cave & Kylie Minogue from his Murder Ballads?
Posted by Tabitha Šëëš Ýôú on September 16, 2002, at 14:43:17
In reply to what works » Tabitha Šëëš Ýôú , posted by BeardedLady on September 15, 2002, at 6:07:02
Thank you for that warm reply. Hope to see you back after your hiatus.
T
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 16, 2002, at 23:17:59
In reply to Re: An experiment. What do these words mean to you?, posted by trouble on September 16, 2002, at 5:44:48
> daddy is a...
Please don't use language that could offend others, thanks.
Bob
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