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Posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 14, 2002, at 21:47:12
Im SICK of psychiatry and the entire mental health "profession." Ive had it with "mental health." Its a joke. There is no good science behind it. This past week in the local newspaper, the Winston Salem journal, there was a big long article about mental illness in North Carolina. One of the psychiatrists interviewed was involved in functional neuroimaging at a local teaching hospital and he said in this article that "Psychiatry is where general medicine was 50 years ago." DUH!!!!! Thats what Ive been saying for a long time.
Im tired of it. I have seriously given thought to forming my own political lobby organisation which would have the specific purpose of formally merging psychiatry into neurology. Also, I believe that the major mental illnesses...major depression, bipolar manic depression and schizophrenia...should be formally reclassified as Neurological diseases and taken out of the category of "psychiatric" illnesses. Finally, I believe that major depression needs a new name which more adequately describes how bad it can get. I have never thought the term "depression" described the severity of symptoms I have had at times. When you tell people you have "depression" they only think of emotional or psychological issues and the lay public does not understand that severe depression is a full body, physical disease.
Id like to see the diagnosis and treatment of the severely mentally ill just totally, completely removed from the so called "mental health" profession and placed in Neurology. I think its time for the seriously mentally ill to wake up and smell the coffee and realize that the mental health profession is snake oil and pseudu science and a lot of bullshit. Where is the research? REAL research? I dont see much of it. A little, but not enough. Where is the brain research? We all suffer from brain based illnesses you know.
I dont think psychiatry is capable of providing high tech, 21st century medical care for severely mentally ill people and I believe only Neurology has the potential to do so. Psychiatry is backwards, psychiatry is low tech in an era of high tech and its basically nothing but bullshit.
The severely mentally ill deserve better...much better than psychiatry. We deserve individualized, high tech, Neurology-like approaches to our diagnosis and treatment. We deserve respect...not condescending, sardonic "psychobullshit" that we typically have to put up with.
Only problem is I dont know how to go about organizing my own lobbying group. I assume it costs a lot of money, which I dont have. A website would be a good place to start. Ive already come up with a name for my lobby group. Something has to be done about the "mental health" profession. Its disgraceful and I cant fucking stand it.
There is no separation of mind and body and people will only realize that once mental illness is formally recognized as Neurological illnesses and not as bizarre, mysterious "psychological" problems.
Freud was the worst thing that ever happened to the severely mentally ill in the USA.
LostBoyinNC
Posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 14, 2002, at 22:06:55
In reply to Replace mental health profession with Neurology, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 14, 2002, at 21:47:12
Oh and I also believe that psychiatric hospitals should be run by Neurologists and not psychiatrists and social workers. People in psychiatric hospitals have SEVERE mental illness, which is a brain based illness and Neurologists should be running ALL mental hospitals as they understand the brain much better than psychiatrists.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 15, 2002, at 10:12:58
In reply to Replace mental health profession with Neurology, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 14, 2002, at 21:47:12
> the mental health profession is snake oil and pseudu science and a lot of bullshit.
Please don't use language that might offend others, thanks.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 15, 2002, at 10:30:34
In reply to Replace mental health profession with Neurology, posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 14, 2002, at 21:47:12
[Posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 15, 2002, at 10:07:01
In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020609/msgs/109921.html]
> > I completely agree with you and the article as presented. I have been DXed Major Depression/Recurrent - Bipolar II - back to Major Depression; who cares none of the treatments work anyhow. This should come as no surprize because there are no emperical tests in psychiatry, its all anecdotal guess work. The excuse offered by psychiatrists - "well, the brain is a very complex organ" - not really good enough for those of us suffering with the illness is it?
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> Psychiatrists have a lot of excuses. Tons of them. It all comes back to the simple basic fact most psychiatrists are not very interested in the Neuro type approach to major mental illnesses. Its too complicated for most of them. Only a NEUROLOGIST could handle it academically.
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> > I think the part I resent the most pertains to the importance placed on the supposed psycho-social component - "dealing with issues", "working on relationships", "getting in touch with our feelings" - POOP!!. I am too old to be sitting in the corner sucking my thumb and hugging my teddy bear. It would be great if psychiatry amounted to something more than a roll of the dice.
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> Psychiatry is currently set up mostly to handle persons who have milder problems...dysthymia, situational depression, etc. Problems of living its been described as. Psychiatry is not set up well to handle severe forms of mental illness...and arguably never will be because of the sort of person attracted to psychiatry and the mental health field in general.
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> > Question? Do you have any idea how to get in contact with a neurologist willing to deal with major depression?
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> No I dont. I do know that currently Neurologists DO NOT treat mental illness. They do treat some of the side effects from some of the drugs, such as anti-psychotic induced movement disorders. There are a handful of Neurologists whose specialty is "Behavioral Neurology" who claim to treat mental illness. Even there, I dont like that name "behavior." These are full blown diseases we have not behaviors.
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> That is part of the problem which is going to have to change in the future. How are we going to get new Neurologists in training trained to diagnose and treat major mental illness? I believe in the past this would have been an impossible sales job. However now, it might have become easier with the advent of functional neuroimaging. With functional neuroimaging, you can literally see the parts of your brain that are not working correctly, contributing to the mental illness. Neurologists would like this approach to diagnosing mental illness and Neurologists already control the neuroimaging labs as it is. So in the future, as functional neuroimaging improves and proliferates it might become much easier to sell the idea of Neurology taking over severe mental illness.
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> As I said before, I want the diagnosis and treatment of the severe forms of mental illness just totally, completely REMOVED from the so called "mental health" profession.
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> Thats my personal slant on it.
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> LostBoyinNC
Posted by JohnX2 on June 16, 2002, at 2:19:56
In reply to Re: please be civil » LostBoyinNC1, posted by Dr. Bob on June 15, 2002, at 10:12:58
> > the mental health profession is snake oil and pseudu science and a lot of bullshit.
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> Please don't use language that might offend others, thanks.
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> Bob
clarification: is it the comment or just the last word?
Posted by Cecilia on June 16, 2002, at 2:30:03
In reply to Redirected: Psychiatrists « LostBoyinNC1, posted by Dr. Bob on June 15, 2002, at 10:30:34
I don`t think "problems of living" are so trivial; lots pf people kill themselves because of them. Cecilia
Posted by kid47 on June 17, 2002, at 14:02:15
In reply to Redirected: Psychiatrists « LostBoyinNC1, posted by Dr. Bob on June 15, 2002, at 10:30:34
> > I do know that currently Neurologists DO NOT treat mental illness. They do treat some of the side effects from some of the drugs, such as anti-psychotic induced movement disorders. There are a handful of Neurologists whose specialty is "Behavioral Neurology" who claim to treat mental illness. Even there, I dont like that name "behavior." These are full blown diseases we have not behaviors.
I was treated by a pdoc who was also board certified in Neurology. There are some out there. Check around.
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