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Posted by kid_A on November 19, 2001, at 12:02:52
I really don't want to post this in the medication section, I really don't want to equate it with medication though that of course is probably the genesis for this type of thing... But lets just say that maybe medication has nothing to do w/ it, as it very well could be... It's not implausible...Sometimes of course I can (as I did last night) have a completely sleep deprived evening... Rolling around in bed, getting up, getting water, moving to the couch, I felt sick as a dog...
Of course the next day I need to get up to go into work the next day and I'm completely shot until I have two teas and two redbulls (energy drink), and a few cigarettes...
This happened for me when I ran out of xanax, but it can also happen in a half night way, waking up at 4:00am for no reason at all, even on Ambien...
Lets say that there are obvious ways to fix this by adjusting your medication, I just wondered how any people who may experience it deal with it?
Posted by susan C on November 19, 2001, at 12:32:18
In reply to Sleepless nights... anyone have them?, posted by kid_A on November 19, 2001, at 12:02:52
That is one thing, kid a,
that i cannot understand about Ambien, oops, pb i know i know, but i think you have a good point, how do you deal with it, when a med does something and then stops and then works again, or just stops. That has happened to me...I am out then, at about 4 or so, i wake, toss and turn, actually get irritable in my sleep (hub and i have figured out i am actually dreaming about all the things i complain about, the noises, him coming into the room)
In general,right now, i am feeling better, for a number of reasons, but the coping is the challenge. I know I will come across this time again. I know I am dealing with part of it now. For example, I was thinking, when I am foggy in the morning, perhaps i should start taking a form of caffine...or perhaps i should make myself wake up earlier...I have been trying to make sure I have good sleep hygine...the time shift did not help.
I also know the addition of stress 'breaks' my brain. I can feel it. Then, as Jane D. says, sometimes you can't tell, really what is going on, as sometimes things just change. For no reason. So, HOW DO I DEAl with it?
I cant resign myself to it...I can cope...I can simplify my life...i can avoid acting on the manic side...i can have a routine...i can try to not be hard on myself...i can do something nice for myself...I can accept i am confused...I can wait...Benjamin Franklin learned French while waiting for other people to keep their appointments...
mouse taking a nap in the morning
susan C> I really don't want to post this in the medication section, I really don't want to equate it with medication though that of course is probably the genesis for this type of thing... But lets just say that maybe medication has nothing to do w/ it, as it very well could be... It's not implausible...
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> Sometimes of course I can (as I did last night) have a completely sleep deprived evening... Rolling around in bed, getting up, getting water, moving to the couch, I felt sick as a dog...
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> Of course the next day I need to get up to go into work the next day and I'm completely shot until I have two teas and two redbulls (energy drink), and a few cigarettes...
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> This happened for me when I ran out of xanax, but it can also happen in a half night way, waking up at 4:00am for no reason at all, even on Ambien...
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> Lets say that there are obvious ways to fix this by adjusting your medication, I just wondered how any people who may experience it deal with it?
Posted by Fi on November 22, 2001, at 17:30:33
In reply to Sleepless nights... anyone have them?, posted by kid_A on November 19, 2001, at 12:02:52
People vary, of course- for me, I sleep badly if I am on the edge of getting depressed. Or just bog standard stressed and doing what anyone 'normal' would do in finding it hard to get to sleep.
I cope by following my usual wind down routine in the evening, which includes not drinking caffeine, avoiding anything too intellectually or emotionally demanding late on (I am *taping* the Sopranos as I write- will watch it *early* evening tomorrow). Then the bedtime routine of hot bath etc.
If I do find myself tossing and turning during the night, I try not to be too impressed by my insomnia. And if I cant sleep after (say) an hour or so, I get up, make myself a hot (not caffeine) drink, and do something boring, such as
ironing or washing up (sorry- that's washing up dishes in UK-think it may mean something else in US?!). For a while, then try bed again.Or as a half way step,I turn the radio on to something a bit interesting (not just music)- for me, thats' the BBC World service but of course views on that will vary!
If you go for watching TV or something,it mustnt be too interesting or it wakes you up too much and you can also want to *stay* up! I know someone who slept badly due to back pain for a while, but then was better and could have slept thru the night but wanted to get up to catch his favourite programmes!
This also helps me if part of what is keeping me aware is worry- things get out of proportion when you are lying in the dark half awake.
You do get tired in the day if you dont sleep properply, and I think there are mixed views on whether or not you should nap during the day,if you are able to.
It can be seen as a way of coping, or as undermining your sleep at night and making it even worse. I suppose you could try both and see which
suits you. Personally, I would nap in a chair (so I'm not too comfortable) and limit it to up to an hour. If I go to bed during the day, I sleep soundly
for a couple of hours whether or not I'm sleeping properly at night, feel dreadful when I wake up and sleep badly the next night.Anyway, another thing which is a little reassuring to me is knowing that lots of people sleep badly, and will be awake at the same time as you.
My mother even told me about a friend who does all her baking at night!I dont know anything re the meds side of things- for me, its a sign I may need Prozac (or more) if I wake up particularly early several days/nights running.
But over to you and your pdoc on that...(sorry about odd line breaks in this - I'm not coping well with typing where I can only see a wee bit of the text. And the lines seem to go on forever...)
Having said all that, I have got engrossed in Psychobabbling- should have gone to bed at least half an hour ago! So not following my own advice...!
fi
Posted by Katey on November 25, 2001, at 18:44:02
In reply to Re: Sleepless nights... anyone have them?, posted by Fi on November 22, 2001, at 17:30:33
kid a,
i think we're figuring out the same issue right now. except that i sleep great- for five hours. then sometime between 2 and 4 am i wake up and im screwed after that. i get lectured about doing things physical to make me sleep, but i havent been able to do it yet. have you come up with any ideas? im starting to get really irritated with this sleep thing. hope you sleep well tho,
Katey
Posted by Gracie2 on November 26, 2001, at 23:19:16
In reply to Re: Sleepless nights... anyone have them?, posted by Katey on November 25, 2001, at 18:44:02
Seroquel.
Seroquel.
Seroquel.
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