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Posted by susan C on September 3, 2001, at 22:15:09
In reply to Re: Many thanks to Cam » Cam W., posted by allisonm on September 3, 2001, at 21:22:47
Posted by Greg on September 4, 2001, at 15:20:13
In reply to Re: Many thanks to Cam » Phil , posted by Cam W. on September 3, 2001, at 21:00:51
...to point out that my lasagne DID in fact contain meat as I am, and always will be a carnivore. Damned Pharmacists! :)
> Thank you all! My ego has been taking a shit-kicking lately. I have never had to hand in a resume to get a job (Had my last job for 13 years, too). I have been turned down by 2 places to which I have applied.
>
> I really didn't want one of the jobs (ie. the boss didn't call when he said he would, and he asked stupid questions like, "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" I've worked psych too long to be asked that kind of crap. I answered, "I would probably like to be an oak tree", but he didn't get it).
>
> I have applied for clinical positions in 2 hospitals, but have no hospital experience. It's the waiting that is a killer, as both jobs have closing dates.
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> Sigh! I hate waiting! I forget that only the entire psych community knows me, and only some of the pharmacy community (and many of them don't like me because I had to follow up on mistakes that they had made to client of Mental Health Services. They figured I was trying to blame them, but all I want was statistics and reason, to figure out how to prevent it from happening, again).
>
> Maybe I'll apply for a green card and get a job at a certain pharmacy (Rite-Aide) in a little city near Silicon Valley; just to make life hell on a certain blackmailer who posted above (BTW - the lasagna was very good, but it had no meat - Damned Californians!).
>
> Thanks again, I need the ego boost. - Cam
Posted by Cam W. on September 4, 2001, at 15:38:24
In reply to Re: I felt it was important..., posted by Greg on September 4, 2001, at 15:20:13
...yes, yours did contain meat. I was thinking of one of one of my wife's friend's concoctions. My wife did set me straight on this.
I apologize profusely, Greg. I'd like to tell everyone that Greg's was very cheesy (ie. had lots of cheese) and it was very good; excellent, as a matter of fact! I would definitely recommend it to anyone!
Again, I apologize Greg. I sometimes get mixed up about my meals, especially since my wife doesn't take me out in public much.
Cam's memory takes a hike, again.
Posted by sar on September 4, 2001, at 18:27:03
In reply to Re: I felt it was important..., posted by Greg on September 4, 2001, at 15:20:13
tofu is really good. i'll fry some up for yall, southern-style.
"Meat is Murder"--Morrissey
Posted by Greg on September 4, 2001, at 18:43:52
In reply to Re: I felt it was important..., posted by sar on September 4, 2001, at 18:27:03
I love tofu, especially in hot and sour soup.
The meat I eat is 90% chicken, does that in any way, shape or form, save my soul?
> tofu is really good. i'll fry some up for yall, southern-style.
>
> "Meat is Murder"--Morrissey
Posted by sar on September 4, 2001, at 19:09:05
In reply to Re: I felt it was important... » sar, posted by Greg on September 4, 2001, at 18:43:52
i'm glad you like it!
chickens...i'm going to have to answer you completely honestly-, from a Pete Singer-inspired point of view...the average carnivore eats something like one cow per year, but many more chickens. Chickens are subjected to the same type of cruelty as cows in factory-farm settings, where most of yr chicken-to-eat is raised. whereas the cows get slung up and necks slit, chickens are kept in tiny pens pecking each other to death.
the happier i become, the closer to veganism i approach. unfortunately, right now, i'm eating eggs, cheese, and fish! can't expend the energy on label-reading and pickiness.
reading about the animal-food industry is much like reading about the horrors of slavery, third-world country Wal-Mart manufacturers, Thai prosititutes, etc...absolutely horrible.
devoutly,
sar
Posted by Krazy Kat on September 4, 2001, at 19:47:49
In reply to Re: I felt it was important..., posted by sar on September 4, 2001, at 18:27:03
"Shyness is nice, and shyness can stop you,
From doing all the things in life you'd like to.
Kindness is nice, and kindness can stop you,
From doing all the things in life that you want to.
But if there's something you'd like to try,
If there's something you'd like to try,
Ask me I won't say no, how could I?"My favorite Morrissey song... :)
-- There are free range chickens. And those lil' buggers will peck your eyes if they get a chance! (A former vegie head - and still sometimes)
Posted by susan C on September 4, 2001, at 19:53:23
In reply to Run, chicken, run... » sar, posted by Krazy Kat on September 4, 2001, at 19:47:49
speaking as a former raging vegetarian and now confirmed omnivor (except I dont really like the taste of pig or cow) and my son is an avowed 'fishaterian', Tofu is best marinated 24 hours in soya sauce, chopped garlic and onion and fried crispy in olive oil. Chrispy, crunchy.....Tofu has no flavor of its own, it only borrows flavors...
Mouse in the kitchen, under the stove
Susan C.
> "Shyness is nice, and shyness can stop you,
> From doing all the things in life you'd like to.
> Kindness is nice, and kindness can stop you,
> From doing all the things in life that you want to.
> But if there's something you'd like to try,
> If there's something you'd like to try,
> Ask me I won't say no, how could I?"
>
> My favorite Morrissey song... :)
>
> -- There are free range chickens. And those lil' buggers will peck your eyes if they get a chance! (A former vegie head - and still sometimes)
Posted by Phil on September 4, 2001, at 21:04:00
In reply to raging vegetarian, posted by susan C on September 4, 2001, at 19:53:23
Cam, Hard to believe that you would have trouble finding a job but I know it's weird out there these days.
Aren't the States screaming for pharmacists?
Would you consider leaving Canada?
Just wondering.Phil
Posted by Cam W. on September 4, 2001, at 22:56:53
In reply to Re: Cam, posted by Phil on September 4, 2001, at 21:04:00
Phil - It is not really a case of getting a job, it's a case of getting a job that won't piss me off too much. There are several unpublicized jobs, but they are with people that I'd have a hard time working for.
I have applied for a pharmacy job in Alaska in a mental health clinic. There are several snags, though: green card (probably not a problem), U.S. pharmacy competency test (NAPLEX - Only need 75%, so that would not be a problem), state jurisprudence test (again, not a problem to pass, if I studied the laws, most are the same as ours).
The biggest hurdle is time; they only hold these tests a couple of times a year, and you have to apply 60 days prior to the test. Also, the tests are not cheap. Then there is airfare and hotel when writing the test.
All in all, I don't really think it is going to be worth my time. I'd like a clinical job, but I don't have a PharmD degree (and really don't want one). Besides, my wife does not like the healthcare system in the U.S., and doesn't want to raise our family there (although she is trained in the Canadian equivalent of Healthy Families America).
I have applied for 2 hospital jobs in town, and I think I have a good chance to get at least one of them. I do have some psychiatrist friends that I am going to hit up, to see if they can do anything.
I have references from the Regional Director of Mental Health Services, the Health Canada Drug Inspector for the northern half of the province, and a Head Psychiatrist for one of the loops through the north. I will be phoning the Head Psychiatrist for Mental Health Services (he sent me a brochure for this year's Schizophrenia Conference and I have to thank him; at the same time I will ask for a reference).
I would like to stay involved in the mental health field, but my job was so specialized that no one really knew what I was doing, but I think I filled cracks in the system that needed filling.
I pity the pharmacist who my old boss (who has the contract for Mental Health, and won't give it to me) hires for my job (still isn't filled, but was advertised in the paper and the job description was totally wrong - hee-hee). I left nothing of what I was doing behind. The only thing that is left is the things I did in the past, and are only noted in the accreditation of Mental Health Clinic.
I may have a chance to get the job back, when the contract runs out in April, but I have no experience in how to set up a company, or if it would be worthwhile. I also don't know how to market myself properly. I could probably go around and flog my skills to some of the smaller Mental Health Clinics (ie. once or twice a month) in the North.
I will land on my feet, again; I am sure of it, but this waiting really sucks. I have been keeping up with my reading, but there really is no money in the government for a community pharmacist to specialize in mental health (although, I do think I really made a difference).
Well, that was rambling; I think I'll stop before I kill any chance of ever getting a job ;^)
Hmmmm...perhaps an online psychopharmacology consulting job....- Cam
Posted by sar on September 5, 2001, at 1:10:37
In reply to raging vegetarian, posted by susan C on September 4, 2001, at 19:53:23
i suppose i am a raging vegetarian, but a flailing, hypocritical one--i've been eating fish for the B12 and i just bought some very leathery Birkenstocks--i just gotta keep it the ideals in my heart, and when i'm in not such a bad place maybe i'll be less of a sinner... :)
i know some religious messages have been contested on this board recently, but freedom of speech, hell--i will tell you this: it takes more food to feed a cow than food a cow produces once slaughtered. this wreaks havoc on the environment.
devotedly yours,
sar
Posted by Kristi on September 5, 2001, at 2:50:29
In reply to Re: raging vegetarian, posted by sar on September 5, 2001, at 1:10:37
> i suppose i am a raging vegetarian, but a flailing, hypocritical one--i've been eating fish for the B12 and i just bought some very leathery Birkenstocks--i just gotta keep it the ideals in my heart, and when i'm in not such a bad place maybe i'll be less of a sinner... :)
>
> i know some religious messages have been contested on this board recently, but freedom of speech, hell--i will tell you this: it takes more food to feed a cow than food a cow produces once slaughtered. this wreaks havoc on the environment.
>
> devotedly yours,
> sar
Posted by Phil on September 5, 2001, at 6:49:20
In reply to Re: Phil, posted by Cam W. on September 4, 2001, at 22:56:53
Camababble-Camchat now with Cam-cam, nah.
My brother may be moving back to Alaska. He's been trying to get back on with the FAA for years.
They have a supervisors position open in Fairbanks (brrrrrr!).I know you'll do fine, Cam. I know what you mean about finding someone to work for who won't piss you off. It's tough for us who know everything to work for those who think they do. :-)
I've worked around a lot of pharmacists but never spoke to one who expressed the interest or passion that you have for your work.
Find someone that deserves the best. I think you could get about a thousand recommendations from the Babble community!!!!Good luck, Cam
Posted by Cam W. on September 5, 2001, at 7:18:17
In reply to Re: Cam, posted by Phil on September 5, 2001, at 6:49:20
Thanks Phil - Perhaps I should put down the PB link on my resume as a reference (LOL). - Cam
Posted by Greg on September 5, 2001, at 8:44:57
In reply to Re: Cam » Phil, posted by Cam W. on September 5, 2001, at 7:18:17
I'd leave out the one where I said damned Pharmacists though....
I agree with Phil, I think you should come to the states. I can have you Californianized in no time :)
> Thanks Phil - Perhaps I should put down the PB link on my resume as a reference (LOL). - Cam
Posted by Krazy Kat on September 5, 2001, at 8:51:19
In reply to Re: raging vegetarian, posted by sar on September 5, 2001, at 1:10:37
even in my most devout moments, i was guilty of leather shoes. i'll tell ya', i have tried manmade substitutes, and they suck! even expensive ones.
you are kind to try. :)
Posted by tina on September 5, 2001, at 16:41:49
In reply to Re: Cam, posted by Greg on September 5, 2001, at 8:44:57
Oh, I'd love to hear how you'd manage this one.......
What ARE the criteria for being a 'californian?"
> I'd leave out the one where I said damned Pharmacists though....
>
> I agree with Phil, I think you should come to the states. I can have you Californianized in no time :)
>
> > Thanks Phil - Perhaps I should put down the PB link on my resume as a reference (LOL). - Cam
Posted by JennyR on September 9, 2001, at 17:23:38
In reply to Re: Cam-Californianized??, posted by tina on September 5, 2001, at 16:41:49
Cam - Maybe the meat in the lasagne wasn't at the effective dose. But keep eating for 6 weeks, and maybe it will kick in.
Posted by Wendy B. on September 10, 2001, at 8:01:06
In reply to Re: Cam - Meat/lasagne, posted by JennyR on September 9, 2001, at 17:23:38
> Cam - Maybe the meat in the lasagne wasn't at the effective dose. But keep eating for 6 weeks, and maybe it will kick in.
jenny,
very funny! even during the shrink-firing process, you've got to have a sense of humor...
w.
Posted by lostsailor on September 11, 2001, at 19:51:21
In reply to Re: raging vegetarian, posted by sar on September 5, 2001, at 1:10:37
I too am in your sit. My family doc wants me to eat a bit of fish for heart reasons and my shrink says it benefit people with depression. I have not eaten any meat until this fish thing this year since 1989, but I too love my old Birkies. I am told, though, that also make a vegi-sandle. That's a try before you but, though, I think. Also, Ever read "diet for a small planet"/ It really goes with the cow for land issue you brout up. ~Tony
> i suppose i am a raging vegetarian, but a flailing, hypocritical one--i've been eating fish for the B12 and i just bought some very leathery Birkenstocks--i just gotta keep it the ideals in my heart, and when i'm in not such a bad place maybe i'll be less of a sinner... :)
>
> i know some religious messages have been contested on this board recently, but freedom of speech, hell--i will tell you this: it takes more food to feed a cow than food a cow produces once slaughtered. this wreaks havoc on the environment.
>
> devotedly yours,
> sar
Posted by sar on September 11, 2001, at 21:41:02
In reply to Re: raging vegetarian, to sar, posted by lostsailor on September 11, 2001, at 19:51:21
dear lostsailor,
was it weird for you to try fish at first? it was for me (tuna from a can, ugh!) but when i tried some frsh-catch blackened at a restaurant i loved it.
there are lots of places on the 'net to order veggie-friendly products, imitation-leather shoes etc...i once even stumbled across a site for vegan motorcyclists--fake leather motorcycle jackets etc, woohoo! that's what i aspire to be, that'd be so much fun, i wanna be a vegan biker...
but when i'm sad, i start to indulge. it started with egg whites in pastries and has led to being a full-on fishaterian.
if i ever want to work for PETA i've gotta get my act together...
(aren't real birks the comfiest, though? and i love how suede is all fuzzy and nice.)
sar
Posted by lostsailor on September 14, 2001, at 13:43:14
In reply to Re: raging vegetarian, to lostsailor, posted by sar on September 11, 2001, at 21:41:02
>Dear Sara , Yeah, over the years I have found an awful lot of meat-less products. there is just someting about my "fuzzy" birks though and if you treat them right like having new heels put on and using a cork treatment, they can almost last indefinately. PETA is a great organization, but thier views are a bit too radical, even for me. you can always take a look at the http;//www.iwannabeaveganbiker.gov if you are really into iy...lol
About the fish, yes it was so strange. I tourtured my self. I had been meatless for so long that my consious (sp?) was killing me. But i have learned and rationalized it by looking at the "miracles" in the New Test and found that they involved fish only. I have "faith" in many religions, I guess I found an easy out with this biblical legend...lol
In peace ~Tony
dear lostsailor,
>
> was it weird for you to try fish at first? it was for me (tuna from a can, ugh!) but when i tried some frsh-catch blackened at a restaurant i loved it.
>
> there are lots of places on the 'net to order veggie-friendly products, imitation-leather shoes etc...i once even stumbled across a site for vegan motorcyclists--fake leather motorcycle jackets etc, woohoo! that's what i aspire to be, that'd be so much fun, i wanna be a vegan biker...
>
> but when i'm sad, i start to indulge. it started with egg whites in pastries and has led to being a full-on fishaterian.
>
> if i ever want to work for PETA i've gotta get my act together...
>
> (aren't real birks the comfiest, though? and i love how suede is all fuzzy and nice.)
>
> sar
Posted by shelliR on September 15, 2001, at 18:04:52
In reply to yeah, the leather thing..., posted by Krazy Kat on September 5, 2001, at 8:51:19
> even in my most devout moments, i was guilty of leather shoes. i'll tell ya', i have tried manmade substitutes, and they suck! even expensive ones.
>
> you are kind to try. :)Actually Steve Maddan and Liz Claybourne, among others, put out some stretchy fabric shoes that are very comfortable. Steve Madden is pretty expensive, but I usually find them discount, and my 14 year old niece thinks I am her oh so cool aunt, wearing my Steve Madden's.
I cut out leatherpurses/wallets but do buy clogs of leather. I keep looking for comfortable other than leather clogs, but haven't yet. I don't feel awful; they'll not killing the cow for shoes. Still.....
I do eat fish, but I don't put that in the same league as cows. Or pigs for that matter. I mean pigs are *really* smart. So far fish is not all pumped up with antibiotics (especially from the sea), but I'm keeping my eye on fish farms, hoping they are not messing around their guys. Sar, if you really feel bad about fish, you might try grinding flax seeds in an electric coffee grinder. They're very high in omega fatty acids and I put some everyday in yogart. I get banana or lemon yogart and with the ground flax seed, it tastes a bit like a banana cream or lemon crumb pie. ( YMMV, I may easily have substandard taste buds, but tastes great to me!)
Shelli
Posted by sar on September 16, 2001, at 0:51:24
In reply to Re: yeah, the leather thing... » Krazy Kat , posted by shelliR on September 15, 2001, at 18:04:52
i spent 6 yrs as a raging vegetarian, nearly vegan, no leather shoes (flip-flops are great!) (even in the winter!) (they go with everything. even formal attire, in my opinion, as long as they are sleek and black.)
i'm gonna be self-indulgent for awhile and experiment with fish. i really like the taste and don't feel guilty (i have no idea why--a year ago eating an egg white would have made me upset).
do flax seeds have vitamin b12? that's why i originally started eating fish. i'd taken the sublingual supplements, but the real thing is always better!
one redeeming value of good leather shoes: quality ones last for a *long* time, like birkenstocks are like cars, you take them in for maintenance and repair work (thats why theyre so damn expensive)....'cos where do you think those non-leather shoes are made? probably by poor pakastani women with gnarled fingers from being over-worked at $1/hr.
Shelli, awhile back i saw something on TV about um what's it called, biogenetic engineering, and i think they may be starting to do some freaky unnatural things with fish (as with other foods--did you know fish genes might be in yr tomatoes?). all that splicing stuff. not a science person, but i'm big on natural food and some sketchy stuff is going on...
if you're interested in these things, there is a wonderful book called "Toxic Sludge is Good for You." one of the best, most modest, well-researched exposee works i've ever read. the FDA and all sorts of gov't agencies made ludicrous but successful attempts at thwarting any publicity for the authors. that lend it even more cred, i think!
oh no, we've hit upon a topic i like and i'm rambling--all apologies--hope this is more informative than preachy, i just can't believe consumers are so unwittingly unaware...
gospelly yours,
sar
Posted by lostsailor on September 16, 2001, at 14:06:56
In reply to Re: yeah, the leather thing..., posted by sar on September 16, 2001, at 0:51:24
Self indulgent for your own health, hmmmmmm.
I guess the main question that we are unraveling is
do we have the right to prolong or help us live in better health.
My morals seen to be at in conflict with my heart--no pun intended.
Living on beans and rice was very easy for me. I hung with a crowd
that, for the most part shared my ideals and ideas, but with the onset and
of my illness I became estranged from them in 1995, but there was a constant
There was always some hypocracy, though as the majority of us had leather Birks.
How for is it from raging vegitarion to raving lunatic...lol.
When both my primary care doc and my shrink suggested fish, I was at a moral crossroad.
And for now I am goin' with there advice. I do feel that the fish has helped my depression some, so...Sar, yes there is a Santa Clause (sp intentional)betreen enriched soy products and flax seed or flax oils
you can get the vit b12 you are wondering about. So it's really a matter of choice and rational.
Also vit b12 can come from the eggs. Another concern and this was factored into the debates with doc are
Omega 3 fatty acids. Thease are found in flax, but you need to eat a lot. The oil is
a much better source. What, another choice...Well let's see the feed back...lol
In Peace, ~Tony
> i spent 6 yrs as a raging vegetarian, nearly vegan, no leather shoes (flip-flops are great!) (even in the winter!) (they go with everything. even formal attire, in my opinion, as long as they are sleek and black.)
>
> i'm gonna be self-indulgent for awhile and experiment with fish. i really like the taste and don't feel guilty (i have no idea why--a year ago eating an egg white would have made me upset).
>
> do flax seeds have vitamin b12? that's why i originally started eating fish. i'd taken the sublingual supplements, but the real thing is always better!
>
> one redeeming value of good leather shoes: quality ones last for a *long* time, like birkenstocks are like cars, you take them in for maintenance and repair work (thats why theyre so damn expensive)....'cos where do you think those non-leather shoes are made? probably by poor pakastani women with gnarled fingers from being over-worked at $1/hr.
>
> Shelli, awhile back i saw something on TV about um what's it called, biogenetic engineering, and i think they may be starting to do some freaky unnatural things with fish (as with other foods--did you know fish genes might be in yr tomatoes?). all that splicing stuff. not a science person, but i'm big on natural food and some sketchy stuff is going on...
>
> if you're interested in these things, there is a wonderful book called "Toxic Sludge is Good for You." one of the best, most modest, well-researched exposee works i've ever read. the FDA and all sorts of gov't agencies made ludicrous but successful attempts at thwarting any publicity for the authors. that lend it even more cred, i think!
>
> oh no, we've hit upon a topic i like and i'm rambling--all apologies--hope this is more informative than preachy, i just can't believe consumers are so unwittingly unaware...
>
> gospelly yours,
> sar
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