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Posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2014, at 14:35:00
In reply to Re: Interesting quiz., posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 13:36:34
psychology, eh. *just like physics*. once upon a time there were witches. now there are narcissists. and hollywood psychopaths (hannibal lecter's foresight / planning *together with* lack of social emotions). and of course we have the hollywood autistic, too. the hollywood borderline etc etc...
helping people feel...
stereotyped?
i guess stereotypes help people feel they... belong?
help id the other as... *other*. y'know... *narcissistic* and the like, too.
oh, yeah, he's *so narcissistic*.
empathising with the mentally disordered.
anyone?
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 18, 2014, at 15:37:21
In reply to Re: Interesting quiz., posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2014, at 14:35:00
http://www.aspergerstestsite.com/75/autism-spectrum-quotient-aq-test/#.Utrx5PtMHDc
Differences are not disabilities.
Don't forget the benefits-housing money special treatment at school. Why do you think they make you be labelled to get any of that? Maybe if you ace the ADD test you can get some amphetamines to help you through the exams too?
Seriously I think it's horrible that you are forced to take the label but perhaps it worth it to you?
Oops I'm posting to you. Guess I'll have to take a block ;)
> psychology, eh. *just like physics*. once upon a time there were witches. now there are narcissists. and hollywood psychopaths (hannibal lecter's foresight / planning *together with* lack of social emotions). and of course we have the hollywood autistic, too. the hollywood borderline etc etc...
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> helping people feel...
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> stereotyped?
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> i guess stereotypes help people feel they... belong?
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> help id the other as... *other*. y'know... *narcissistic* and the like, too.
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> oh, yeah, he's *so narcissistic*.
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> empathising with the mentally disordered.
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> anyone?
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 15:55:48
In reply to Re: Interesting quiz., posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2014, at 14:35:00
Alex,
For what it's worth, my limited layman's study of narcissistic personality disorder leads me to believe that you are not a candidate for that diagnosis. I don't know for sure, though. What do you think?
People with narcissistic personality disorder exist. Some are emotional predators who love to poison the minds of others. They love to call other people narcissists. They also accuse others of feeling entitled, when feelings of entitlement are actually a cardinal symptom of the narcissist's sickness. They berate everyone so that they feel superior. They are grandiose and often believe that they are geniuses. This is often true, but just to make sure, they question the genius of everyone else.
Narcissists are very charismatic in their own way. They often take on the role of guru and attract people, especially the young and vulnerable. They tend to move on when they are no longer getting what they want. There's more, but I need to cut my hair right now.
It is an unfortunate situation.
Don't be fooled.
- Scott
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 18, 2014, at 16:11:17
In reply to Re: Interesting quiz., posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2014, at 14:35:00
The article I posted above is about narcissistic rage not NPD. I have never suggested you had NPD. I believe Scottie's questioning you about a diagnosis for yourself is inappropriate. I'm not sure why he posted the test under your post :(
Take care of yourself.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 18, 2014, at 16:36:12
In reply to Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » alexandra_k, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 18, 2014, at 16:11:17
Oh, c'mon now, really?
Stop it. This is silly.
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 17:00:14
In reply to Re: Interesting quiz., posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2014, at 14:35:00
Don't be fooled.
I must defer to a professional to comment on HomelyCygnet's diagnosis of you. We both know that she doesn't diagnose people as a form of aggression. ;-)
You are okay just the way you are. Life is a growth process. You know that, of course. You are exactly where you should be in the moment. As moments change through time, so will you.
Take care of yourself.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 17:09:49
In reply to Re: Interesting quiz. » alexandra_k, posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 15:55:48
Well, I finished cutting my hair.
It turned out okay.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 17:22:47
In reply to Re: Interesting quiz., posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2014, at 14:35:00
> Well, I finished cutting my hair.
>
> It turned out okay.Which reminds me...
Beware of hypomanic narcissists. They can be particularly destructive. It's not their fault, of course, but you need to take care of yourself. I don't know if any narcissists have targeted you in particular. I'm not even sure if any are currently posting on Psycho-Babble, although some have proposed that I have NPD.
I took the quiz.
- Scott
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 18, 2014, at 17:23:39
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » HomelyCygnet, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 18, 2014, at 16:36:12
> Oh, c'mon now, really?
Really :)
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20131211/msgs/1058878.htmlalso bpd and bipolar and read the article people with no diagnoses.......
> Stop it. This is silly.
Well not silly but pointless at this point.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 18, 2014, at 17:26:31
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » sleepygirl2, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 18, 2014, at 17:23:39
Isn't everyone narcissistic?
I think it's just a question of degree.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 18, 2014, at 17:29:48
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » HomelyCygnet, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 18, 2014, at 17:26:31
> Isn't everyone narcissistic?
> I think it's just a question of degree.I agree. It's part of the human condition.
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 17:31:33
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » sleepygirl2, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 18, 2014, at 17:29:48
> > Isn't everyone narcissistic?
> > I think it's just a question of degree.
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> I agree. It's part of the human condition.
Yeah, right.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 17:38:42
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » HomelyCygnet, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 18, 2014, at 17:26:31
> Isn't everyone narcissistic?
> I think it's just a question of degree.I hear that often. I very much disagree.
That's like saying that everyone is bipolar, and that it is just a question of degree. After all, people will sometimes feel elated, and sometimes feel sad over what they encounter in life.
What are some things about people in general that you feel are expressions of narcissism?
This is a great discussion, I think.
- Scott
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 18, 2014, at 18:01:44
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » sleepygirl2, posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 17:38:42
I can't explain the theory well. So here comes the ramble...
;-)
I'm not so stuck on the NPD stuff, but I think it's the result of damage to the self that's very old. Our sense of ourselves, good and bad becomes more nuanced over time, more flexible. We can tolerate bad/imperfections/vulnerabilities in ourselves as we get older, hopefully, unless we experience some rejection that makes it intolerable to tolerate.
I think that folks would like to imagine an ideal version of themselves, maybe it's where our enthusiasm and self confidence come from. We all have flaws, but how well can we tolerate them? Do they feel overwhelming?
Hasn't everyone had the experience of treading lightly around around someone's defenses?
It can be the inflexible part of someone, something that's not integrated with the rest of a person, maybe it's too painful?
To quote an 80's song... "I won't harm you or touch your defenses, vanity, insecurities"
Have you ever hurt someone, been hurt yourself? That it ended up with them/you spewing that hurt right back at them?Part if the issue? can we be at ease enough with our own crap that we don't have to throw crap at other people? Can we forget ourselves long enough to stop checking the mirror? So we can really see someone else? Let them see us. Narcissism can be kinda lonely like that. If it doesn't fit the ideal it has to be denied, projected, etc.
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 18:18:05
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » SLS, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 18, 2014, at 18:01:44
> I can't explain the theory well. So here comes the ramble...
> ;-)
>
> I'm not so stuck on the NPD stuff, but I think it's the result of damage to the self that's very old. Our sense of ourselves, good and bad becomes more nuanced over time, more flexible. We can tolerate bad/imperfections/vulnerabilities in ourselves as we get older, hopefully, unless we experience some rejection that makes it intolerable to tolerate.
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> I think that folks would like to imagine an ideal version of themselves, maybe it's where our enthusiasm and self confidence come from. We all have flaws, but how well can we tolerate them? Do they feel overwhelming?
> Hasn't everyone had the experience of treading lightly around around someone's defenses?
> It can be the inflexible part of someone, something that's not integrated with the rest of a person, maybe it's too painful?
> To quote an 80's song... "I won't harm you or touch your defenses, vanity, insecurities"
> Have you ever hurt someone, been hurt yourself? That it ended up with them/you spewing that hurt right back at them?
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> Part if the issue? can we be at ease enough with our own crap that we don't have to throw crap at other people? Can we forget ourselves long enough to stop checking the mirror? So we can really see someone else? Let them see us. Narcissism can be kinda lonely like that. If it doesn't fit the ideal it has to be denied, projected, etc.This a wonderful and insightful post. I learned a great deal from it. I still don't think that narcissism is a pervasive part of the human experience.
I can be stubborn sometimes.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 18, 2014, at 18:23:49
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD, posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 18:18:05
Thank you. :-)
That's ok.
It's something I use to make some sense of myself and other people, gives me more compassion.... sometimes.
Posted by Phillipa on January 18, 2014, at 18:33:53
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » SLS, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 18, 2014, at 18:23:49
It's my next door neighbor. Everything of hers is better than others, Her ways of doing things are the only correct ways to do things. The sky can be no color than blue. She taught this to kids as a teacher in elementary school. Ripped up pictures of the sky if not blue. Has the only dog that is perfect. Her grown kids are perfect. Her Grandkids are Perfect. ETC. And she got herself on Disability with the help of a pdoc. Add that she can't walk she says. And watch her mowing the lawn, climbing ladders, taking frequent trips to different states. I guess by now you know how I feel about this person. She is committing fraud to the government and doesn't think she is. She is perfect in all ways. Never ever disagree as she is always right. Phillipa
Posted by baseball55 on January 18, 2014, at 20:35:25
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD, posted by Phillipa on January 18, 2014, at 18:33:53
I don't think saying, we're al a little narcissistic is the same as saying, we're all a little bipolar. There's a big difference between Axis 1 and Axis 2 diagnoses. Axis 2 diagnoses are the so-called personality disorders. And if you read the criteria, most people have some, some people have a lot, some people are obviously not playing with a full deck, but don't really meet the criteria.
For example, I have never met a person who really meets the criteria for BPD. My sister-in-law meets some of the criteria, but not enough to qualify for a diagnosis. Yet she is absolutely not a normal or functional person.
Personalities are complex and unique. So we are all a little this, a little that. Some to the point of pathology, some to the point of creating problems in our dealings with others, some to the point of feeling uncertain and unhappy in our relationships. But often not meeting the criteria for a personality disorder at all.
Axis 1 criteria are different and entail physical symptoms and identifiable mood swings. Everyone has suffered from depression to some degree at some time or another, but not everyone meets the criteria for MDD, in which depression lasts for an extended period, interferes with normal functioning, adversely affects sleep, appetite, etc.
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 21:09:09
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD, posted by baseball55 on January 18, 2014, at 20:35:25
Okay.
So you believe that we are all at least somewhat narcissistic as opposed to being self-aware and wanting things?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 21:24:41
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD, posted by baseball55 on January 18, 2014, at 20:35:25
> Okay.
>
> So you believe that we are all at least somewhat narcissistic as opposed to being self-aware and wanting things?Okay (again).
I reread your post. Nice work. I'll give it more thought.
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on January 18, 2014, at 21:47:44
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » baseball55, posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 21:24:41
I agree with baseball. We are all unique. PJ
Posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 21:51:28
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » SLS, posted by Phillipa on January 18, 2014, at 21:47:44
> I agree with baseball. We are all unique.
Me, too.
- Scott
Posted by baseball55 on January 19, 2014, at 19:10:12
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » baseball55, posted by SLS on January 18, 2014, at 21:09:09
> Okay.
>
> So you believe that we are all at least somewhat narcissistic as opposed to being self-aware and wanting things?
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> - ScottI'm not really sure what narcissistic means. Common usage is - self-centered, trying to get attention, selfish. Who isn't some of these some of the time? I've known people for whom these are their predominant personality traits. And I think of these people as narcissists. But I'm not sure they meet the criteria for NPD.
I went through the DSM once trying to figure out where my crazy mother-in-law would fit in. She was big on histrionics. I think there was once an Axis 2 disorder called histrionic personality disorder, but I think they got rid of it or called it something else.
Posted by Phillipa on January 19, 2014, at 20:05:10
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » SLS, posted by baseball55 on January 19, 2014, at 19:10:12
Yes there was. Not sure either what it became known as temper tantrum? Phillipa
Posted by SLS on January 19, 2014, at 23:19:15
In reply to Re: Narcissistic rage is not the same as NPD » SLS, posted by baseball55 on January 19, 2014, at 19:10:12
> I'm not really sure what narcissistic means.
There is a lot to know about it. My knowledge is limited.
- Scott
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