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Posted by obsidian on August 21, 2010, at 21:50:41
Fire and Ice (Robert Frost)
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.Not Waving but Drowning
Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much further out than you thought
And not waving but drowning.Poor chap, he always loved larking
And now he's dead
It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way,
They said.Oh, no no no, it was too cold always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
And not waving but drowning.Stevie Smith
Posted by sigismund on August 21, 2010, at 22:35:45
In reply to poems, posted by obsidian on August 21, 2010, at 21:50:41
From Little Gidding, by Eliot
IVThe dove descending breaks the air
With flame of incandescent terror
Of which the tongues declare
The one discharge from sin and error.
The only hope, or else despair
Lies in the choice of pyre of pyre
To be redeemed from fire by fire.Who then devised the torment? Love.
Love is the unfamiliar Name
Behind the hands that wove
The intolerable shirt of flame
Which human power cannot remove.
We only live, only suspire
Consumed by either fire or fire.
That's pretty f*ck*ng reactionary (if that's the right word). The thing that loves us tortures us? Or maybe something else? I love the first verse anyway.
Posted by sigismund on August 21, 2010, at 22:38:11
In reply to Frost, Fire and Ice » obsidian, posted by sigismund on August 21, 2010, at 22:35:45
These online versions suck!
the correct version is
>The only hope, or else despair
Lies in the choice of pyre OR pyre
To be redeemed from fire by fire.
Posted by sigismund on August 21, 2010, at 22:39:57
In reply to Frost, Fire and Ice » obsidian, posted by sigismund on August 21, 2010, at 22:35:45
If we did not have to love we would not have to suffer?
Posted by obsidian on August 21, 2010, at 23:04:37
In reply to Re: Frost, Fire and Ice » sigismund, posted by sigismund on August 21, 2010, at 22:38:11
the capitalized "OR" actually makes a big difference
Posted by obsidian on August 21, 2010, at 23:05:59
In reply to Frost, Fire and Ice » obsidian, posted by sigismund on August 21, 2010, at 22:35:45
> From Little Gidding, by Eliot
>
>
> IV
>
> The dove descending breaks the air
> With flame of incandescent terror
> Of which the tongues declare
> The one discharge from sin and error.
> The only hope, or else despair
> Lies in the choice of pyre of pyre
> To be redeemed from fire by fire.
>
> Who then devised the torment? Love.
> Love is the unfamiliar Name
> Behind the hands that wove
> The intolerable shirt of flame
> Which human power cannot remove.
> We only live, only suspire
> Consumed by either fire or fire.
>
>
> That's pretty f*ck*ng reactionary (if that's the right word). The thing that loves us tortures us? Or maybe something else? I love the first verse anyway.
>a rock and a hard place??
Posted by obsidian on August 21, 2010, at 23:09:04
In reply to Re: Frost, Fire and Ice » sigismund, posted by sigismund on August 21, 2010, at 22:39:57
> If we did not have to love we would not have to suffer?
for everything I guess there is an opposite, damn complications ;-)
Posted by sigismund on August 22, 2010, at 2:52:09
In reply to poems, posted by obsidian on August 21, 2010, at 21:50:41
This.........
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice...............is wonderful
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