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Posted by Garnet71 on May 5, 2009, at 20:58:02
http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/04/01/brain-changes-after-depression/5083.html
Posted by Dinah on May 5, 2009, at 22:30:01
In reply to Brain/amygdala changes after depression - study, posted by Garnet71 on May 5, 2009, at 20:58:02
My guess would be that the horse is before the cart.
Posted by Dinah on May 6, 2009, at 10:17:13
In reply to Re: Brain/amygdala changes after depression - study, posted by Dinah on May 5, 2009, at 22:30:01
By which I mean that towards the bottom, they acknowledge that they don't know which came first. It makes waaay more sense to me that the brain differences make depression more likely.
Especially given the clear link between biology and the rejection sensitivity portion of BPD? The physostigmine challenge.
I think they need to a heck of a lot more studies on the biological basis of BPD, and they'll find out a lot of things about mood disorders in general. I've never thought of BPD as a monolithic entity, but more as a cluster.
It occurs to me that sensitivity to criticism might be closely related to rejection sensitivity. And that if they yank that out of the province of BPD, they'll find a far larger link to depression in people without BPD than they now recognize.
Posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 12:41:07
In reply to Re: Brain/amygdala changes after depression - study, posted by Dinah on May 6, 2009, at 10:17:13
Well my Mother is dead but the scars of constant criticism are there so any critisicm is very hurtful to me and takes forever to recover from. Phillipa
Posted by garnet71 on May 6, 2009, at 18:42:17
In reply to Re: Brain/amygdala changes after depression - study, posted by Dinah on May 6, 2009, at 10:17:13
I'm not sure what to think of your response, Dinah (but thank you for responding!)...
Not to ignore what you said (it's just that I am not sure that I understand what you are saying), but I was thinking in terms of getting back to my "regular self" (my pre-depression self) when I read the article. In terms of mental health issues, I initially had PTSD/depression (8 years or so ago) but ever since, have not been able to contain anxiety, though have experienced no reoccuring depression. I'm trying to figure out whether I'm permanently altered or if I can get back to my normal baseline...but it seems, according to the article, the baseline changes-to the point of no return. Not that one article means alot, but it did get me thinking...
Shortly after 'getting' depression, I had a temporary bout of social anxiety. It was really odd, but it dissapated. The article made me think of that experience as well.
I also hear on this forum how antidepressants "screw us up". I believe that to a certain extent, intuitively (little to no rationalization), but am just wondering if it has more to do with the brain trying to adapt to depression more than anything else. I mean our body is smarter than we are, it only seems natural that physiological changes will proliferate in response to trauma (depression).
It's always nice to hear your comments!
Posted by garnet71 on May 6, 2009, at 18:47:56
In reply to Re: Brain/amygdala changes after depression - study, posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 12:41:07
Phillipa, hi, it's obvious your mother has been on your mind a lot lately (duh.lol). Do you think your husband's lack of support and/or the recent experience with your doctor's accident might have anything to do with your recent strong feelings about your relationship with your mother? Why not start a thread about this?
Maybe you could work on acknowledging, processing the feelings from your relationship with your mother, then try to facilitate some sort of closure? It's unfinished business that needs addressed.
Do/did you feel abandonded by her? Although not knowing you well, I can't help but get a sense of those sorts of feelings.
I think you need a hug too. ((((Phillipa))))))
Posted by Dinah on May 6, 2009, at 19:13:35
In reply to Re: Brain/amygdala changes after depression - study, posted by garnet71 on May 6, 2009, at 18:42:17
Ah, sorry. I was reading it with nothing particular in mind, and was mostly struck by the chicken/egg conundrum. (Boy, that's a hard word to spell.)
I do believe that our brains are changed by many types of experiences. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to learn that it changed because of being awash in the chemicals of clinical depression, or childbirth, or SSRI's. My concentration has gone to heck, and I'm pretty sure my IQ has dropped drastically. Childbirth, motherhood, depression, anxiety, meds, age, I just don't know.
But brains are relatively elastic and self repairing. Given time, I think it can recalibrate itself to some extent. How much, I don't know.
Posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 21:00:57
In reply to Re: Brain/amygdala changes after depression - study, posted by garnet71 on May 6, 2009, at 18:47:56
Garnet I think your very smart as never considered this but you have a point very well could be. I don't want to start a thread as post too much. But I have abandonment issues dating back to a child Melanie Klein and Object Constancy was the theme with me with a pdoc I had. Thanks for being so geez can I say brilliant!!! Love Phillipa
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