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Posted by ClearSkies on August 11, 2007, at 14:35:02
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again, posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 13:50:03
I'm pretty certain I won't want to disclose anything personal about myself to someone who is readily willing to post it on a public board like this, no matter what the intentions are. I'm feeling very nervous about what I might have disclosed already, and it makes me feel really ill.
If I was in Oz's shoes, I'd be crushed.
ClearSkies
Posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 14:58:07
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again, posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 13:50:03
Phillipa, you DO know my name, and now you have told your therapist who you say knows me GOD knows what about me and what I have posted. I cannot express how angry and outraged I am and then to pretend you don't know my name. Well, how would your therapist know me if you had not told her my name?????? I never in a million years should have emailed you a couple of years ago. I truely regret it.
I think this should be a lesson to everyone that you cannot trust that things will stay here with Babble. Be very careful.
OzLand
Posted by slugdoo on August 11, 2007, at 15:19:41
In reply to Re: I cannot post here ever again » slugdoo, posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 13:36:39
Well I think Ozland explained it. But remember it is YOUR therapist, it is Ozland's colleage and school mate. Whatever you told your T, what if that has an impact on Ozland's reputation now or for future employment because your T knows Ozland an are in a simular field.
I would be mortified if someone from Babble told say my T , friend , or proff. about me and therapy. Therapy is a sensitive subject for most. I know Babble isn't totally private, I wonder too, if I can trust posting here. What if what I say on Babble, will come to bite me in the butt later in my future? It is scary.
Posted by Quintal on August 11, 2007, at 15:44:40
In reply to Phillipa, posted by ClearSkies on August 11, 2007, at 14:35:02
This seems to be a regular occurrence on babble. Phillipa befriends a new babbler, babbler and Phillipa exchange personal details, Phillipa and babbler have a disagreement and babbler's personal details are 'accidentally' leaked into the public domain. Just as one example, if you look over on Social you'll see where I made an error of judgment in giving out personal details too. I wish there were a way to warn new babblers of this. I know we should all be wary of giving out personal details to people we meet on the web, but we can only form an opinion of a person's character based on what we know at the time, and Phillipa has a reputation of being a kind, trustworthy and harmless member of this community.
Q
Posted by Racer on August 11, 2007, at 16:07:10
In reply to It's a question of privacy » Phillipa, posted by Racer on August 11, 2007, at 14:03:17
After rereading what I wrote, I think it could be misconstrued. I'd therefore like to rephrase that, so that there's no misunderstanding. I'd also like to apologize if anyone took offense at my last, hasty, ill-conceived post.
One benefit I find with discussing therapy related issues on Babble, is that there's a certain level of anonymity here. Another benefit I find here, is that we've all come into contact with one another because we have therapy in common. In most of my life, I try to maintain a sense of confidence -- partly because if I were working, I'd be teaching again, so I need to be able to project that confidence -- and to hide how vulnerable I am in so many areas. With those of us here on Babble, I feel pretty comfortable expressing some of that vulnerability, because I trust that most everyone will understand or empathize to some degree. I'm sure that others find the same sense of safety that I do, in that anonymity and empathy.
I think it shows sensitivity to Babble, and other Babblers, not to disclose personal information -- especially if one knows real names or the like -- to others who might know them in another context. Privacy is a big deal to many people here, and discretion about what's posted here seems like something to be encouraged. Maybe it could be considered a sign of good judgment and respect for the privacy of others to avoid discussing what's revealed here to others outside of Babble?
Again, my apologies to anyone who may have been offended by my prior post.
Posted by Quintal on August 11, 2007, at 16:15:04
In reply to I'd like to rephrase that, posted by Racer on August 11, 2007, at 16:07:10
I thought it was very apt.
Q
Posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 16:15:51
In reply to I'd like to rephrase that, posted by Racer on August 11, 2007, at 16:07:10
Racer
You lost me; what was offensive what you said. I so agree with both your posts. From this point forward I won't mention names of hospitals either or schools or towns though most people know I live in the Chicago area. But Chicago is a big area. If I lived in Danville, IL for example, I probably would not say. By the way, I have never lived in Danville; just grabbed it out of the hat.
I do feel badly now as I am not comfortable posting about insights from therapy. So much is already known from me about my therapy, and I was glad to share as others have done. As I said in another post, it is helpful and is mutually encouraging when we can do this. Enough said.
OzLand
Posted by Quintal on August 11, 2007, at 16:53:27
In reply to Re: Phillipa, posted by Quintal on August 11, 2007, at 15:44:40
It was pointed out to me by a friend that my previous post may not have met the civility guidelines in the strictest sense, so I'd like to take this opportunity to rephrase it.
Grievances have been raised by other babblers over this issue in the past. I'm taking this as an opportunity to remind myself that we have no control over what happens to our personal information when it leaves our inbox, so we should take care never to reveal anything to another babbler, or member of any other message board, that we would not wish to see revealed to others or posted posted in the public domain at some point in the future. I'm apologize if my previous post offended to anyone.
Q
Posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 17:12:02
In reply to Re: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND???????? » Phillipa, posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 14:58:07
The only thing I will say here is that I continue to feel hurt, outraged, and angry. I do not appreciate having my babbling exposed to others outside babble. If I am to be blocked, so be it. I did not appreciate receiving an email that let me know that though I have changed my name twice on this list, I was told it was easy to figure out who I was. So, I quit trying to hide some things. Now, I find a colleague is someone's therapist in another State and likely knows now about me getting ECT, etc, and now my career could be ended. Thanks University of Chicago for your sh*tty psychiatric treatment and your residents who do not know there a from a hole in their head. I am so angry, I could spit nails. I cannot believe someone could sit by and act innocent and disbelieving and get away with hurting people, and so what happens. I get to be blocked? I do not care anymore. This is sick as far as I am concerned.
Posted by Quintal on August 11, 2007, at 17:19:55
In reply to Re: I could be in trouble???? what about..... » OzLand, posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 17:12:02
I think people understand your anger Oz, but we too have to stay within the civility guidelines when airing grievances with other babblers, that's what the rephrase posts were about. They weren't about anything you yourself had said. It's just that things can be cleared up more quickly when people stay within the civility guidelines when contributing to threads like this.
Q
Posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 17:22:48
In reply to I'd like to rephrase that, posted by Racer on August 11, 2007, at 16:07:10
Okay; if anyone is offended by what I said, sorry. I would appreciate it as well if my personal life from the past did not rise up in Babble to bite me. I have enough problems with trust. Isn't life just grand. I have been feeling suicidal the past couple of weeks, and this crap does not help matters. Now I can't stop crying. Please just do whatever and get it over with.
OzLand
Posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 18:06:22
In reply to Re: I'd like to rephrase that, posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 17:22:48
Been gone all day. I do not know your real name as people here has psudo e-mail accounts set up. And I only remarked that I knew someone she went to school with I don't have money to discuss other people in my session which happens every three week. Again She does not know you name as I don't either. Only posting names. I know no one who uses their real names? And e-mail on contained a first name and a name a lot of people have. She kind of just oh that's nice and we went on with our session as I think it was the first one. I'm leaving her anyway as no money and EBAY is keeping me busy. Got to ride my bike now as that is my theraphy. The one that helps talking to real live people in person. Don't worry I will no longer frequent this board in my life a promise that I will keep. Bye Phillipa
Posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 18:37:13
In reply to Re: I'd like to rephrase that » OzLand, posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 18:06:22
What can I say; I know you know my real name. We used to email each other. I know your real name too. I just don't understand why you would say you don't know my real name. How would your therapist know me if you had not told her my name? Lots of people went to school with me, went to the same internship site as I did, and did a postdoc at the same postdoc site as I did. I am really weary and tired now.
OzLand
Posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 18:43:03
In reply to Re: Therapist is not upset with me, but (triggerl, posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 12:34:21
> Oz I forgot to tell you my therapist does remember going to school with you although you were a year apart should make you feel good. And glad the theraphy is going well. Makes the long early ride worth it. Love Phillipa
I don't think I misunderstood this, did I. I am just a mess now. I just don't think I can handle this. Need to call my therapist, and I have never called him before. Maybe I should just forget it. What can he do. Nothing.OzLand
Posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 18:46:46
In reply to Re: I'd like to rephrase that » Phillipa, posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 18:37:13
Only thing I can do to convince you is to send to you what you provided as an e-mail and you will see it only contains a first name could be real or pseudo then you can send it to whoever you like and let them examine it. How's that???? As I am not good with computers. Love Phillipa
Posted by MidnightBlue on August 11, 2007, at 19:09:06
In reply to Re: I could be in trouble???? what about..... » OzLand, posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 17:12:02
If it makes you feel any better, I have absolutely no clue who you are in real life or who you used to post as.
MB
Posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 19:16:08
In reply to Re: What can I do?, posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 18:43:03
Broke my promise first thankd MB. But I'm sending the e-mail I just sent to you to Dr Bob so he will see I have no Idea who you are. And I can always read. But will not post on Psychology again. Walked the dogs and riding. Phillipa
Posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 19:24:14
In reply to Re: What can I do? » OzLand, posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 19:16:08
> Broke my promise first thankd MB. But I'm sending the e-mail I just sent to you to Dr Bob so he will see I have no Idea who you are. And I can always read. But will not post on Psychology again. Walked the dogs and riding. Phillipa
Please do not email me at my home email address. I have saved emails to and from you with my last name on them.
This is my last post on this subject no matter what is now said. Thank you.
OzLand
Posted by Quintal on August 11, 2007, at 20:09:13
In reply to Re: What can I do? » OzLand, posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 19:16:08
Phillipa, I know from previous posts that you keep a file of photographs and personal details on certain babblers. I would feel more secure if you could delete any information you hold on me, including photographs (I think I already asked you to do this, yet you still claim to have one in your possession). When I first joined babble you sent me a collection of photographs of some of the people here. I think they are still in my email inbox folder somewhere, if so I'm going to delete them too. I think it would be sensitive to offer everyone the opportunity to do the same with any photos and details you may have of them.
I disagree with the comments you emailed me just now. I think OzLand is quite sane and has genuine grievances.
Q
Posted by sunnydays on August 11, 2007, at 20:43:13
In reply to Re: What can I do? » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on August 11, 2007, at 20:09:13
I think a good rule of thumb for everyone on Babble is not to post anything on the boards that the person themself has not posted: ie, if someone tells you something in Babblemail or chat that they haven't posted about, it would be a good idea and respectful not to post about it on the boards. I know I personally will sometimes give out a little more information in chat than I would on the boards because chat will not be archived. I trust that the people I chat with would not put that information on the boards.
It's an issue of being sensitive. If something is bothering someone else and they ask you to stop, you should stop - simple as that.
sunnydays
Posted by Squiggles on August 11, 2007, at 20:52:07
In reply to Re: What can I do?, posted by sunnydays on August 11, 2007, at 20:43:13
Ah, for once my aloofness, coolness and reserve, which some of my friends complain about, is proving to my advantage. Yes, I have a really nifty t-shirt, on it in beautiful calligraphy: "Trust No One" :-)
Squiggles
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 11, 2007, at 21:14:28
In reply to Re: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND???????? » Phillipa, posted by OzLand on August 11, 2007, at 14:58:07
I appreciate the apologies, but to reinforce what was said earlier by posters, let's make sure to keep the civility guidelines in mind when discussing even difficult matters.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
In addition, it is against board policies to pass on private information or identify posters. But Dr. Bob's ability to enforce that outside of babblemails and the board is indeed limited. So it is wise to limit the personal information you give others on or off board. It is probably wise to check the email addresses you use to send emails to fellow babblers for name or identifying information, etc. It might be a good idea to set up an anonymous email account at Yahoo or Gmail or Hotmail for emailing Babblers, if you choose to email, or even for registering at Babble.
I've sent Dr. Bob the link to this thread, and as always he has the choice to override deputy decisions. But in the meantime, please review the civility guidelines if needed, or choose a civility buddy, and post carefully.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 12, 2007, at 0:17:06
In reply to Let's keep it civil everyone, posted by Deputy Dinah on August 11, 2007, at 21:14:28
I've redirected all posts of an administrative nature to the Administration Board. Here is a link.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070702/msgs/775653.html
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Maxime on January 2, 2011, at 0:27:07
In reply to Re: What can I do? » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on August 11, 2007, at 20:09:13
> Phillipa, I know from previous posts that you keep a file of photographs and personal details on certain babblers. I would feel more secure if you could delete any information you hold on me, including photographs (I think I already asked you to do this, yet you still claim to have one in your possession). When I first joined babble you sent me a collection of photographs of some of the people here. I think they are still in my email inbox folder somewhere, if so I'm going to delete them too. I think it would be sensitive to offer everyone the opportunity to do the same with any photos and details you may have of them.
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> I disagree with the comments you emailed me just now. I think OzLand is quite sane and has genuine grievances.
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> QPhillipa, I would also like you to delete any information you have on me including that one photo I sent you way back when.
Posted by PartlyCloudy on January 2, 2011, at 20:22:04
In reply to Re: What can I do? » Quintal, posted by Maxime on January 2, 2011, at 0:27:07
> > Phillipa, I know from previous posts that you keep a file of photographs and personal details on certain babblers. I would feel more secure if you could delete any information you hold on me, including photographs (I think I already asked you to do this, yet you still claim to have one in your possession). When I first joined babble you sent me a collection of photographs of some of the people here. I think they are still in my email inbox folder somewhere, if so I'm going to delete them too. I think it would be sensitive to offer everyone the opportunity to do the same with any photos and details you may have of them.
> >
> > I disagree with the comments you emailed me just now. I think OzLand is quite sane and has genuine grievances.
> >
> > Q
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> Phillipa, I would also like you to delete any information you have on me including that one photo I sent you way back when.Same here, Phillipa, if you would. No photos from me, but might be identifying information in emails. Thank you for complying.
pc
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