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Posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 22:44:01
please avoid it...like "the plague", like a swarm of "killer bees", like "corn nuts"
-godspeed friends
Posted by Sigismund on June 14, 2007, at 22:54:23
In reply to therapy is wrong..., posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 22:44:01
Very interesting, SG, especially as I imagine you to have some inside info.
Ummm....I think that therapy is likely to be more useful if you
a. Don't expect anything (ie insight>whatever, or any other algorythm)
b. Retain (develop!) your critical faculties (consistant of course with the requirements of regression).You wanna say more (while I'm still here).
Posted by muffled on June 14, 2007, at 23:02:51
In reply to therapy is wrong..., posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 22:44:01
Dunno wassup???
Hope you OK :-(
Hang in there.
I not so happy w/T either these days....
Take care,
Muffled
Posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 23:17:33
In reply to Re: therapy is wrong... » sleepygirl, posted by Sigismund on June 14, 2007, at 22:54:23
> Very interesting, SG, especially as I imagine you to have some inside info.
> Ummm....I think that therapy is likely to be more useful if you
> a. Don't expect anything (ie insight>whatever, or any other algorythm)
> b. Retain (develop!) your critical faculties (consistant of course with the requirements of regression).
>
> You wanna say more (while I'm still here).my critical faculties have proven to be more trouble than they are worth, I have banished them
they are just like the "killer bees"
may you avoid their migration patterns dear declan
Posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 23:20:30
In reply to ((((Sleepy)))) » sleepygirl, posted by muffled on June 14, 2007, at 23:02:51
> Dunno wassup???
> Hope you OK :-(
> Hang in there.
> I not so happy w/T either these days....
> Take care,
> Muffledno one likes "killer bees" or "corn nuts" right?
so why do they go to therapy muffs? it just doesn't make good sense
Posted by muffled on June 14, 2007, at 23:28:26
In reply to Unite against the therapy 'menace' » muffled, posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 23:20:30
Posted by confuzyq on June 14, 2007, at 23:32:04
In reply to Unite against the therapy 'menace' » muffled, posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 23:20:30
... especially bbq or ranch flavored ones. But then, I also like candy corn and "circus peanuts" (those big orange marshmallow candies shaped like peanuts, that no one else can stand), which reveals a lot about my tastes.
(Not to minimize the subject here.)
Posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 23:32:56
In reply to OK I unite w/you sleepy!!!)))menace bad((( (nm) » sleepygirl, posted by muffled on June 14, 2007, at 23:28:26
Posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 23:36:22
In reply to Re: I adore corn nuts..., posted by confuzyq on June 14, 2007, at 23:32:04
> ... especially bbq or ranch flavored ones. But then, I also like candy corn and "circus peanuts" (those big orange marshmallow candies shaped like peanuts, that no one else can stand), which reveals a lot about my tastes.
>
> (Not to minimize the subject here.)you might have come down with the "stockholm syndrome" (it's been known to happen when the makers of corn nuts brainwash their captives)
you may still have hope....just back slowly away from the orange candy, easy, easy...no sudden moves
Posted by confuzyq on June 14, 2007, at 23:42:16
In reply to Re: I adore corn nuts... » confuzyq, posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 23:36:22
Sadly, I think it's gone way beyond that... At this point I'd need to be kidnapped, tied to a chair and deprogrammed in order to give up my corn nuts and other ridiculous sweet or salty demons... Ooh oooh I wish I could immerse myself in a bathtub full of them right now! :-) (But I'll pass on the bees thank you.)
> you might have come down with the "stockholm syndrome" (it's been known to happen when the makers of corn nuts brainwash their captives)
>
> you may still have hope....just back slowly away from the orange candy, easy, easy...no sudden moves
>
>
>
Posted by wishingstar on June 14, 2007, at 23:57:30
In reply to Re: I adore corn nuts... » sleepygirl, posted by confuzyq on June 14, 2007, at 23:42:16
did I see the "T" word in this thread? I'm sure I didnt, because I KNOW I officially banned therapy for the rest of forever...!!!
*runs away covering ears (and eyes)*
Posted by Dory on June 15, 2007, at 8:01:46
In reply to begin the revolution!!!, posted by wishingstar on June 14, 2007, at 23:57:30
i just want my permit for the purposes previously discussed. Any and all attempts by the groups previously known as "T's" will be prosecuted by punishment involving bees and corn nuts.
Posted by wishingstar on June 15, 2007, at 8:59:47
In reply to Re: begin the revolution!!!, posted by Dory on June 15, 2007, at 8:01:46
As stated in the official decree, please submit the following form, along with norotization to.. sleepy.. who will allow your "T" to continue to exist if approved. Make sure you circle the appropriate face so that your proposal can be accurately judged.
http://www.che.lsu.edu/staff/cygan/howareyou_grey.gif
I'm getting a permit for Laurie and I've decided "hysterical" is the face for me. Not that I'm hysterical.. but it looks pretty bad, and maybe insurance will cover it then! I dont want Laurie being demolished with the rest of this "T" world.
As for the other Ts.... well... POOF. meow. arf arf.
Posted by muffled on June 15, 2007, at 9:36:59
In reply to Re: begin the revolution!!! » Dory, posted by wishingstar on June 15, 2007, at 8:59:47
I pick exhausted face for my T, I think she SO done w/me.
She CANNOT protect me.
She nice, but she not magic.
I think she got too much on her plate, but she means well.
Mebbe I will become a T to my T!!! HA!
M
Posted by Dory on June 15, 2007, at 13:10:32
In reply to Re: begin the revolution!!! » Dory, posted by wishingstar on June 15, 2007, at 8:59:47
Oh i am not applying to have my actual T preserved or saved.. as much as i like the guy. i want the special permit form 911-69 for former, and no unemployed, T to fulfill physical activity as discussed at the first revolutionary council meeting.
we won't be serving corn nuts anymore
Posted by Dory on June 15, 2007, at 16:40:01
In reply to Re: begin the revolution!!! » wishingstar, posted by Dory on June 15, 2007, at 13:10:32
Hope today is a better day sweetie. He's not leaving and you don't suck.
Posted by tofuemmy on June 15, 2007, at 16:42:49
In reply to therapy is wrong..., posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 22:44:01
I completely agree. I will NEVER EVER EVER go for therapy again. It hurt me WAY more than it helped me. Never ever.
em
Posted by Sigismund on June 16, 2007, at 1:03:43
In reply to Re: therapy is wrong... » sleepygirl, posted by tofuemmy on June 15, 2007, at 16:42:49
When people feel like they are a long way away, under water, or talking through themselves before they can get out (and the meds are like they are), I don't see any option than therapy (apart from better friends).
I was speaking to a friend last night, Dx bipolar (isn't everyone, but maybe it's right) and she was so far away.
She said 'I am going to try to see my aloneness as a good rather than a bad thing'.
I said 'We start out as part of someone else, and when we are 10 or whatever, we realise we are seperate. This makes some people anxious, some despair, some are frightened, some are fortunate enough to have an accepting and helpful environment and get past it.'
So I suppose I see that as the role of therapy.
Did it do that for me?
Maybe a bit.
The gods help those who help themselves, but what for those who can't? (for I was one).
Posted by Sigismund on June 16, 2007, at 2:45:05
In reply to Re: therapy is wrong..., posted by Sigismund on June 16, 2007, at 1:03:43
Working out what was the neccessary pain of life, and finding the willingness and strength to bear it, did not come naturally to me.
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 17, 2007, at 12:00:55
In reply to therapy is wrong..., posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 22:44:01
> please avoid it...like "the plague", like a swarm of "killer bees", like "corn nuts"
> -godspeed friendsMy new T told me that therapy is likely to bring up bad stuff and make symptoms worse. This he told me on my second ever session with him, referring to my earlier experiences with T.
Your warning is heeded. Yet, once the stuff is out in the open, and the symptoms exacerbated, it's hard to get out of therapy in one piece. I'd settle for 2 pieces, but apparently I'm destined to have multiple different experiences, depending on my moods. Somedays it's okay, and adult-Llurpsie has a handle on her feelings and critical faculties.
Then other days I feel like "scientist Llurpsie" is doing more un-work by trying to analyse the therapist than work on analysing my own stuff. Pity the therapist that cannot handle my own tendency to 1) silent appraisal of the therapist-client relationship 2) eye-brow raising putting on airs that I know more than I do
Then other days I feel utterly wretched, and just whine whine whine and any suggestion the therapist suggests is met with an eager nod, as if agreement will necessesarily make me all better
and then the days where I shake my head and wonder if I'd be better off eating cornnuts (can't remember if I like them or not)
-Ll
Posted by OzLand on June 17, 2007, at 23:18:43
In reply to therapy is wrong..., posted by sleepygirl on June 14, 2007, at 22:44:01
Hum; with my new therapist I already feel better than I did in the past two years. I feel so much better with him even though he talks about how I am going to feel really horrible at times with the therapy and when he talks about developing intimacy (and not sexual) within the therapy and our relationship, I want to run. Thing is, I know this will be much better for me to do than what I did in March.
Believe me, if you think therapy is bad, try ECT. I know therapy will help me if I trust and allow myself to become engaged. Medication and ECT are things "done to you." Therapy is a collaborative relationship. I'll take that any day. And, yes I take med's too.
But never again to ECT. My brain is 1/4 baked now, and I am told things will likely get better, but no guarantee. Glad I stopped the ECT before they wanted me to. They wanted me to do 10 to 12 treatments, and I quit after 7 because I could tell things were not going well. In fact, the ECT doc wanted to put me back in the hospital for numbers 8 and 9 and 10 etc. I did 6 and 7 as an outpatient, and this is how I could really tell things were bad. Had I had more ECT, well my brain would likely be 3/4 baked, and I probably would not have been able to go back to work like I have. So, sometimes the grass really does look greener on the other side of the fence.
Posted by muffled on June 17, 2007, at 23:35:12
In reply to Re: therapy is wrong... » sleepygirl, posted by OzLand on June 17, 2007, at 23:18:43
Posted by sleepygirl on June 17, 2007, at 23:37:01
In reply to Re: therapy is wrong... » sleepygirl, posted by OzLand on June 17, 2007, at 23:18:43
that my rational, "adult", reasonable self will sometimes just go out the window and head down the block to...I dunno, buy corn-nuts or something?
and there I am left with my childish, center of the world, in horrible pain little self
and there's not much I think I can do for herand so...should I talk to my T and say..."I know I shouldn't feel this way, BUT"
is there a point to that?
I can't tellno where else does this switch get flipped to the extent that it does in therapy...no where else do I feel so utterly helpless and pathetic...close in some places but not to this extreme
look out for the killer bees...you can't know where they will be lurking ;-)
Posted by sleepygirl on June 17, 2007, at 23:40:05
In reply to Sleepy, you OK????? (nm), posted by muffled on June 17, 2007, at 23:35:12
yes muffled, thank you :-)
are you hanging in there dear one?
-sg
Posted by Sigismund on June 18, 2007, at 15:31:35
In reply to one of the problems is............., posted by sleepygirl on June 17, 2007, at 23:37:01
*Nothing* made me feel as bad as therapy.
I found this more reassuring than cheering.
I hope it wasn't the other way round.
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