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Posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 18:58:31
So my T tells me that when I was in hosp. 10 yrs. ago that I WAS labelled. Man I don't remmeber taking any tests, and the p-doc was an idiot. I was seriously out of it at the time. The guy knew nothing about me but apparently diagnosed me bpd. F*cking p-docs just slap a label on to get you out the door. The system for mental illness is disgusting. My sis was mad at the time cuz they kicked me loose and said they could do nothing for me. Stupid f*ckers. Noone told me. Don't tell the crazy anything. I'm SO mad I could spit. F*cking *SSholes. So yeah, just throw me away. F*ckers.
Posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 18:59:38
In reply to Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger*, posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 18:58:31
Posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 19:00:58
In reply to sorry-rant :-( above. Don't read. (nm), posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 18:59:38
Posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 19:08:11
In reply to F*ckers, they all bastard sh*t heads (nm), posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 19:00:58
Posted by happyflower on January 31, 2006, at 20:28:33
In reply to sorry. (nm), posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 19:08:11
Can I pee on his car for you? Would that help?
Posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 20:52:37
In reply to Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger*, posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 18:58:31
>The guy knew nothing about me but apparently diagnosed me bpd.
SI is typically considered the hallmark of BPD. If you are female and SI then some clinicians seem to think that is sufficient...
Posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 20:53:27
In reply to Re: Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger* » muffled, posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 20:52:37
I wouldn't worry about it.
I think that when you are an inpatient they need some dx to work with. Insurance purposes blah, blah...
Posted by Susan47 on January 31, 2006, at 21:00:54
In reply to Re: Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger*, posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 20:53:27
I agree with what alexandra said, knowing how hard it is not to blame someone else for the pain your mind inflicts though, it's probably really hard to see it in real terms right now. I mean, it's horrible thinking the world doesn't trust you because you're a bit different, and the betrayed feeling of knowing they won't even let you in on the secret of yourself, ooooh the Big Secret, yeah, idiots don't have the sense to tell you the truth ... looking back on it, would I have changed anything if I'd known?
Posted by Susan47 on January 31, 2006, at 21:02:51
In reply to Re: Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger*, posted by Susan47 on January 31, 2006, at 21:00:54
and more about myself than the poor soul who started this thread ... but I mean, really .. it does feel like an ultimate betrayal when they do this stuff. I'm glad her present T told her this stuff. Maybe she can trust him.
Posted by Dinah on January 31, 2006, at 21:13:16
In reply to Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger*, posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 18:58:31
You're the same person you were before you knew the word had been applied to you. If it's helpful in leading you to self understanding, then it's helpful. If it doesn't help you understand yourself, or if you don't think it is an accurate reflection of you, then just put it aside. You're a person not a DSM-IV classification.
Although I do understand. I spent at least a year arguing with my therapist about my "personality disorder". Now it's sort of a standing joke between us.
Posted by Poet on January 31, 2006, at 21:19:51
In reply to Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger*, posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 18:58:31
Hi Muffled,
For insurance purposes, my T put depression. Expodc put *dysthymia with recurring major depression.*
I don't know what Dr. Clueless put, probably *this side up.*
When you were in the hospital you would have been given a diognosis/treatment code. I don't believe in labels- I'm way more messed up, er, complex than depressed anyway.
Poet
Posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 21:23:28
In reply to It's just a word » muffled, posted by Dinah on January 31, 2006, at 21:13:16
It is b*llshit. Dx is b*llshit IMO.
There is often more variability between patients of the same dx group than there is between patients of different dx groups.
There is meant to be a radical restructuring of the DSM at some point. I think they are planning on doing away with the different dx groups and are planning of just having lists of symptoms that can be exhibited by people to a greater or lesser extent.
I think that is a good idea but it will take some time...
Posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 21:37:06
In reply to Re: It's just a word, posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 21:23:28
It was just such a slap on the face when I thot I'd been so clever to avoid being labelled. How they can just do that is such sh*t.
Hope everythings ok for everybody, best as it can be anyways............
Muffled
Posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 21:41:47
In reply to Thx guys., posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 21:37:06
> It was just such a slap on the face when I thot I'd been so clever to avoid being labelled.
Ah. Well... If you are getting therapy through an insurance provider and / or if you have had a hospitalisation which is related to mental health then it is fairly much unavoidable. The only way to avoid dx is to... Not go there...
Posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 21:47:22
In reply to Re: Thx guys. » muffled, posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 21:41:47
> > It was just such a slap on the face when I thot I'd been so clever to avoid being labelled.
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> Ah. Well... If you are getting therapy through an insurance provider and / or if you have had a hospitalisation which is related to mental health then it is fairly much unavoidable. The only way to avoid dx is to... Not go there...
>
>
*Hey Alex, howare you?
Didn't have a choice bout the hospital.............cops hauled me in. I was locked up. Sh*thead cops. Sh*thead p-docs. Sh*thead me.
Who are the worst patientss #1 addictions #2 BPD, what am I, an alcoholic,BPD person.
And my T decides today is the day for her substance abuse check and asks me if I telling truth.
F*CK.
Sorry, I grumpy. I'll not post anymore.
G'night.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 22:06:36
In reply to Re: Thx guys., posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 21:47:22
> *Hey Alex, howare you?
fairly blah.
> Didn't have a choice bout the hospital.............cops hauled me in.
mmm. kicking and screaming and creating a scene? that'll get ya bpd for sure ;-)
> Who are the worst patientss...
how do ya mean?
the ones people don't want to treat because they don't know how to help and feel inadequate in trying so they avoid them instead?> And my T decides today is the day for her substance abuse check and asks me if I telling truth.
mmm. at least i don't have to worry about that anymore. lucky me...
Posted by fairywings on February 1, 2006, at 9:48:28
In reply to Re: Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger* » muffled, posted by Poet on January 31, 2006, at 21:19:51
Hi muffy Sorry to jump in here late.
Years ago I had a psychiatrist who told me they were required to have a dx for insurance purposes. He conferred with me on what the dx would be - giving a couple of options, but I was too young to understand any of the possible implications.fw
Posted by Susan47 on February 1, 2006, at 10:30:50
In reply to Re: Thx guys. » muffled, posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 21:41:47
> Ah. Well... If you are getting therapy through an insurance provider and / or if you have had a hospitalisation which is related to mental health then it is fairly much unavoidable. The only way to avoid dx is to... Not go there...
Not go where, exactly? Because I'm certain the therapists I've seen, the psychiatrists over the years, even though only very brief, most of them, all had a dx, and if any therapist wanted to, or any medical doctor, likely all s/he'd have to do is look in the right place and I'll bet there's all kinds of dx's on me, even though I've never been hospitalized for any mental condition or deterioration .. but I have given at least one doctor a reason to label me the worst way he could, and I have no doubt he has. So where, exactly, do you go to be safe?
Posted by Racer on February 1, 2006, at 14:27:48
In reply to Re: Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger* » muffled, posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2006, at 20:52:37
> >The guy knew nothing about me but apparently diagnosed me bpd.
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> SI is typically considered the hallmark of BPD. If you are female and SI then some clinicians seem to think that is sufficient...
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Around here, some doctors assume any failed suicide attempt is proof positive of BPD, and others seem to say that suicide attempts are signs of BPD IF a suicide note is written. If there's no note, there's no BPD.BPD really is a dumping ground, which is too bad. That diminishes its value as a dx.
Posted by Racer on February 1, 2006, at 14:38:32
In reply to It's just a word » muffled, posted by Dinah on January 31, 2006, at 21:13:16
> You're the same person you were before you knew the word had been applied to you. If it's helpful in leading you to self understanding, then it's helpful. If it doesn't help you understand yourself, or if you don't think it is an accurate reflection of you, then just put it aside. You're a person not a DSM-IV classification.
Now, you know diagnosis is a major trigger for me, but my T and I have been talking about why that is. There is a reason: once that BPD label is put on you, doctors back away from trying to find a medication to help. "Oh, the medications are as good as it's gonna get because of the BPD." "No medications will help any more than this set is, only DBT will help now." They dismiss you, because, well, it's not their fault that nothing will help you.
In theory, I agree: who cares what they call you, if the treatment works. The problem is, a lot of doctors stop looking for a treatment that does work once they apply that label.
I've had that with other labels, too: "She's hypersensitive to side effects. That means that any side effects she reports aren't real." "She's a hypochondriac, so if she reports a problem, it's psychological." Etc. [Warm Place], Dinah -- I nearly died over one of those! A simple urinary tract infection wasn't adequately treated -- because my complaints were signs of hypochondriasis -- became a kidney infection, and my kidneys nearly shut down. Not to mention some nasty experiences regarding psychotropic medication side effects.
OK. Deep breath. This is a tough subject for me, you know, and it's why I'm thinking of stopping meds right now. So, keep my bias in mind, as you read it.
Posted by Damos on February 1, 2006, at 15:25:12
In reply to Labelled-I didn't even know*trigger*, posted by muffled on January 31, 2006, at 18:58:31
That no matter what label(s) they've given you, you will always be the sweet, kind, caring, funny as can be Muffled to me. I'm sorry that this has hurt and upset you so much.
((((((((((Muffled))))))))))
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2006, at 16:41:12
In reply to I wish I could agree. » Dinah, posted by Racer on February 1, 2006, at 14:38:32
Yes, I guess I should add that it only makes a difference if confronted by physicians and mental health professionals who are a bit behind on their research and reading, or rather lacking in compassion.
Posted by happyflower on February 1, 2006, at 18:16:16
In reply to I wish I could agree. » Dinah, posted by Racer on February 1, 2006, at 14:38:32
Posted by muffled on February 1, 2006, at 19:39:04
In reply to {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Muffy}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} (nm), posted by happyflower on February 1, 2006, at 18:16:16
Wow, power hugs! THX! I need them. Feeling small and needy and I hate it.
I'm sick of being such an idiot.
I just want to be more stable and WAY less stressed. My boy is having some health issues and it is very worrying as I don't know whether its physical or mental or both.
I think he senses my stressedness and thats no help either.
Plus I go into retreat when I stressed.
Just wanna hide until it stops.
Wanna phone my T but I got no good reason so that would be stupid. She not my mother. I can't depend on her, I goto learn to stand on my own 2 feet.
My I kid wants to phone her real bad.
I not very good at comforting her.
I mixed up.
I sad.
I dunno what to do.
I dunno how to cry.
:-(
Muffled
Posted by muffled on February 1, 2006, at 21:40:18
In reply to {{{{{Muffy}}}THX all. I lost. :-( Long., posted by muffled on February 1, 2006, at 19:39:04
Muffled won't get close. She runs away and I can't stop her. I don't know why we keep fighting each other. Sometimes I think I am better than her at stuff.
I can cry, but she won't let me do that either. I almost get going and she shuts me down. I am still getting shoved aside. Muffled is selfish. She just watching out for herself and not me. I need somebody on my side. Her T. is not on my side, she never asks about me and even though I bug her muffled won't bring me into the conversation.
Muffled is making me mad.
Muffly
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