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Posted by shadows721 on July 23, 2004, at 18:00:09
In reply to Re: My credentials, posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 16:53:22
The ONLY way to deal with trolls is to LIMIT your reaction to reminding others NOT to respond to trolls.
Posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:16:33
In reply to We don't read Fires, posted by pinkeye on July 23, 2004, at 17:27:57
> Or anybody else who posts such obviously hurting messages. What is your problem mister fires?
> If you can't help, atleast don't hurt others.
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> I think all of us should boycott reading his posts or replying.I haven't a clue what you are talking about. Who am I hurting and how? Who am I supposed to help?
bye
Posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:17:52
In reply to Re: We don't read Fires » pinkeye, posted by Larry Hoover on July 23, 2004, at 17:38:00
Ad hominem attack ignored.
Posted by partlycloudy on July 23, 2004, at 18:21:36
In reply to Re: We don't read Fires, posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:17:52
Where's that darn dictionary when you need it? I'm afraid they didn't teach Latin when I went to school.
Posted by partlycloudy on July 23, 2004, at 18:22:48
In reply to Re: We don't read Fires, posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:17:52
P.S. if you check the box that says "add name of previous poster", we'll at least know who you are addressing. Just a suggestion.
Posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:23:51
In reply to Re: My credentials, posted by gardenergirl on July 23, 2004, at 17:42:54
> > Please don't call me Dear or Shirley.:)
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> Sorry snookums, just a habit of mine.
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> > Actually, all your info. doesn't quite answer my question. What type(s) of therapy are you training in? Which of the several hundreds of types of PT are you receiving training in?
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> My program is in clinical psychology. It is heavily influenced by CBT-oriented faculty, but we are taught a broad range of therapy orientations as per APA requirements. The broad categories of psychotherapy include behavioral, cognitive-behavioral, psychodynamic, humanistic, existential, and integrative. My program focuses mostly on CBT and psychodynamic orientations. Training in specific models comes during field work and is usually influenced by one's supervisor. My own preference is for self psychology work and I am most influenced by the theories of Kohut, Klein, and Erikson. Specific models I have been trained in during practicums include internal systems theory, DBT, CBT, BT, Kohut, Gestalt, Systems theory, Family systems theory, and Process-Experiential.
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> I am not aware of any program that requires a psych. eval in order to begin work. Training for psychoanalysts, however, which is undertaken after the doctorate, requres one to undergo an analysis first. Some programs require that students undergo psychotherapy as part of their training. While mine does not, it is strongly encouraged, and I have found my own therapy to be an invaluable learning experience as well as a facilitator of personal growth.
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> I'm curious...did you have to undergo some kind of fitness eval before you were able to work in your profession or occupation?
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> Regards,
> ggPlease don't call me snookums. I had a T who is now Pres. of some local Eriksonian Hypnosis Society, or some such .org.
Yes, I did have to undergo a fitness exam for a job, and I had to be fingerprinted.
Posted by partlycloudy on July 23, 2004, at 18:27:41
In reply to Re: My credentials, posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:23:51
Endearments are customary on this board. Sir.
Posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:32:03
In reply to Re: We don't read Fires » fires, posted by partlycloudy on July 23, 2004, at 18:22:48
OK. Only when I click on "go to form" I can scroll down and see the person and text of who/what I'm responding to.:)
Posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:35:36
In reply to Re: My credentials » fires, posted by partlycloudy on July 23, 2004, at 18:27:41
Endearments? Please don't call me Sir. OK, Surely?
Posted by partlycloudy on July 23, 2004, at 19:17:43
In reply to Re: We don't read Fires, posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:32:03
Yes, but WE have no idea who you are responding to. Might be why you think there are multiple names for someone you think is one person.
Just a guess.
Posted by partlycloudy on July 23, 2004, at 19:18:45
In reply to Re: My credentials, posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:35:36
OK, you can be My Old Flame. And that, really, is a joke. I won't bother giving you a name, how's that? Just hey, you.
Posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 20:34:27
In reply to Re: We don't read Fires » fires, posted by partlycloudy on July 23, 2004, at 19:17:43
> Yes, but WE have no idea who you are responding to. Might be why you think there are multiple names for someone you think is one person.
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> Just a guess.That doesn't have anything to do with why I think there may be multiple name posters.
This group is unlike any I have posted to before.Yahoo groups and **** Forums leave no doubt who is responding to who. No need to check special boxes. I didn't even realize that fact until now. I'm going to re-read the suspicious posts and then see if I want to post the info.
I'm sure you realize that the MPD folks here believe that the multiple names use is part of their illness. I don't buy it. Another link to why I don't:
http://www.psycom.net/mchugh.html
bye
Posted by Dinah on July 23, 2004, at 21:02:53
In reply to Re: Matt DDS? Other CBT'ers? » Dinah, posted by Miss Honeychurch on July 23, 2004, at 12:09:17
My head has been spinning today as I'm still giving Provigil a try. I can't believe they use it for ADD! I stay awake fine on it but my attention span is that of a flea.
Anyway I wanted to apologize for not posting what I meant to post, which is that I am very very happy that CBT worked well for you. That's the most important thing about any therapy. :)
Posted by AuntieMel on July 23, 2004, at 21:19:08
In reply to Re: We don't read Fires, posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:32:03
Reading or not reading is everyone's perogative. But I'm working on trying to establish peace.
I seem to be having a bit of trouble with civil today, so I'll phrase this as a question for anyone that wants to answer.
Is it necessary to announce that you aren't reading?
Posted by AuntieMel on July 23, 2004, at 21:32:11
In reply to Re: We don't read Fires » partlycloudy, posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 20:34:27
As far as I know there aren't any people here with MPD. And, people are suspected of having multiple names much, much more than it happens. They usually get caught and blocked (I say usually, 'cause if they don't get caught I don't know)
I haven't been here real long, but I lurked long enough to be pretty dang sure that no one that has talked to you is double dipping.
Good that you figured how to show who you're answering. It mike make things a bit less comfusing.
Hang in there
Posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 21:50:47
In reply to Re:MPD? » fires, posted by AuntieMel on July 23, 2004, at 21:32:11
There were a few who got real upset when I posted links to scientific sites saying that the Disorder is not real.
Of all the Ts I had in the past only one believed in MPD, and he also believed in hypnosis for T, which is also not scientifically based.
bye
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 24, 2004, at 7:55:47
In reply to Re: We don't read Fires, posted by fires on July 23, 2004, at 18:17:52
> Ad hominem attack ignored.
Well, you see, that's too bad. I've been trying to show you, via mimicry, something of what you appear to present to others on this board.
I copied your style, and modelled it as best I could. I was hoping that this mirroring of your language might serve to alert you to the effect of your own language structures, on others. It was, perhaps, a test of empathy.
You frequently label other people's (often innocent) remarks as ad hominem, yet it appears as if you do not apply similar standards to your own constructs. That is, by definition, hypocrisy.
When you directly target another poster, and either suggest or expressly state that you believe they are violating a central tenet of this board (posting under more than one name), that is ad hominem.
When you challenge the credibility of a poster, based on the quality of her training, and her own use of therapy, that is ad hominem. Do you need to know the ad hominem variant?
When you express your own displeasure with a treatment modality or a diagnosis, based on your own experience, that is fine. But when you project your displeasure outwards, and generalize to other members of this board, you are casting a wide net of ad hominem inflection. The appropriateness and merit of a diagnosis or treatment is a personal matter. My challenging you on the criteria around your somatoform (mis)diagnosis was intended to show you how it feels. I am sure you felt defensive. I am sure you felt more than a little bit annoyed. Perhaps you even felt hurt. I'm sorry, but it felt necessary.
Choices are made all the time. The past is the past. Let's see if we can't make new choices, and enjoy the fruits of our efforts.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 24, 2004, at 10:23:31
In reply to Re: ad hominem » fires, posted by Larry Hoover on July 24, 2004, at 7:55:47
> You frequently label other people's (often innocent) remarks as ad hominem, yet it appears as if you do not apply similar standards to your own constructs. That is, by definition, hypocrisy.I wish to apologize if my language has appeared to be uncivil. If you would be so kind, "The jury will disregard the defendant's last remark."
Lar
Posted by fires on July 24, 2004, at 10:41:14
In reply to Re: ad hominem » fires, posted by Larry Hoover on July 24, 2004, at 7:55:47
I couldn't disagree with you more!
I believe that you wrote like you have some paranormal abilities, because now my "language structure" has come under scrutiny! First, I believe that people trried to put words in my mouth, now you have tried to analyze my lang. sructure. I wonder what's next? I think some here are into "overanalysis."
I certainly disagree with your definition of hypocrisy.
Whom was my "ad hominem" attack, about using multiple names directed at? I've "attacked" therapies and some of my Ts, but not individuals. There's a big difference. Because people disagree with my ideas/opinions doesn't mean they are attacking me with ad hominem attacks. There's a big difference between saying, "you are an idiot" and saying, "I believe that an idea is idiotic". If someone posts here that therapy "type 101" is silly, that's fine. Maybe therapy type 101 is my favorite therapy. Should I take offense? Of course not!! How could I live an even half way normal life if I were to take offense to eveything said that I don't agree with? I'd be throwing bricks at my TV if I took offense at everything said that I don't agree with. :)
The ad hominem attacks that I've experienced here have come from those who resort to name calling (concealed not so cleverly in questions about my mental health, or my "purposes" -- which they claim to know!!)
>>My challenging you on the criteria around your somatoform (mis)diagnosis was intended to show you how it feels. I am sure you felt defensive. I am sure you felt more than a little bit annoyed. Perhaps you even felt hurt. I'm sorry, but it felt necessary.<<
I think you should be more careful re: assuming what I am thinking/feeling. Your above assumptions are wrong. You don't even know me, other than by my posts, yet you believe that you can asume what I'm thinking/feeling?
I see this as a *CORE* problem with many on this group: they *assume*. Perhaps asking someone, before assuming, is a better idea when thoughts and feelings are involved?
>>Choices are made all the time. The past is the past. Let's see if we can't make new choices, and enjoy the fruits of our efforts.<<
I've chosen to warn the "inexperienced" and "new to T patients" about Ts that are scientifically unfounded. Seems a noble cause to me. I choose to continue to express my beliefs. I choose to not be upset with every person who doesn't agree with my opinions (and therefore may take it personally). That's their problem ("issue"), which they may want to bring up with their therapist.
Best Wishes
'Time flies like a bullet, but fruit flies like oranges'
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 24, 2004, at 11:42:50
In reply to Re: ad hominem » Larry Hoover, posted by fires on July 24, 2004, at 10:41:14
> I couldn't disagree with you more!
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> I believe that you wrote like you have some paranormal abilities, because now my "language structure" has come under scrutiny! First, I believe that people trried to put words in my mouth, now you have tried to analyze my lang. sructure. I wonder what's next? I think some here are into "overanalysis."Fine with me, that you believe as you do. Bob has expressed that he does not go by intent. He goes by words. I used your words. I should be just fires, errr, fine.
>> I am sure you felt defensive. I am sure you felt more than a little bit annoyed. Perhaps you even felt hurt. I'm sorry, but it felt necessary.<<
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> I think you should be more careful re: assuming what I am thinking/feeling. Your above assumptions are wrong.Good. No harm, no foul.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 24, 2004, at 11:44:30
In reply to Re: My credentials » gardenergirl, posted by Larry Hoover on July 23, 2004, at 17:49:37
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> Oh, gg, I just love when a gal talks all geeky. <swoon>Aha! I'll have to keep that in mind. Besides, TofuEmmy asked ME to marry her before she asked you...
[getting the smelling salts]
gg
Posted by fires on July 24, 2004, at 12:36:25
In reply to Re: ad hominem » fires, posted by Larry Hoover on July 24, 2004, at 11:42:50
> > I couldn't disagree with you more!
> >
> > I believe that you wrote like you have some paranormal abilities, because now my "language structure" has come under scrutiny! First, I believe that people tried to put words in my mouth, now you have tried to analyze my lang. structure. I wonder what's next? I think some here are into "over-analysis."
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> Fine with me, that you believe as you do. Bob has expressed that he does not go by intent. He goes by words. I used your words. I should be just fires, errr, fine.
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> >> I am sure you felt defensive. I am sure you felt more than a little bit annoyed. Perhaps you even felt hurt. I'm sorry, but it felt necessary.<<
> >
> > I think you should be more careful re: assuming what I am thinking/feeling. Your above assumptions are wrong.
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> Good. No harm, no foul.So words are synonymous with "language structure"?
Also, to try and decide one's intent from the use of words is quite difficult. I'm on forums on which people constantly misinterpret the meaning of others' statements. Some suggested the liberal use of "emoticons" to help with the problem.
Also, I'm not much of a politician. I generally say what I mean, and mean what I say. If some here are happier with convoluted writing patterns that circumvent real feelings and ideas, so be it.
Examples: Political rhetoric translated into plain English:
Crisis: Any situation you want to change.
Equal opportunity: Preferential treatment.
Non-judgmental: Blaming society.
Simplistic: An argument you disagree with but can't answer.
Rehabilitation: Magic words said before releasing criminals.
Demonstration: A riot by people you agree with
Mob violence: A riot by people you disagree with.
bye
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 24, 2004, at 17:57:48
In reply to Re: ad hominem, posted by fires on July 24, 2004, at 12:36:25
> Examples: Political rhetoric translated into plain English:
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> Crisis: Any situation you want to change."Brutal honesty: People who get off on brutal honesty are more interested in the brutality than in the honesty." Anonymous 12-stepper
Posted by AuntieMel on July 24, 2004, at 21:57:04
In reply to Re: ad hominem » fires, posted by Larry Hoover on July 24, 2004, at 7:55:47
Lar - watch your back. I believe there is someone here we've all met before. Possibly someone we emailed about yesterday.
fires - you be careful too. This is all new to you and I fear you might get caught in it.
Posted by fires on July 24, 2004, at 22:49:10
In reply to Re: ad homine- Lar AND fires » Larry Hoover, posted by AuntieMel on July 24, 2004, at 21:57:04
> Lar - watch your back. I believe there is someone here we've all met before. Possibly someone we emailed about yesterday.
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> fires - you be careful too. This is all new to you and I fear you might get caught in it.Can you tell me more? Is this person just a web threat, or a life threat(like does the person pay people visits in person?)? I would like to know.
Thanks
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