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Posted by Elle2021 on February 9, 2004, at 2:06:13
In reply to The article, posted by Elle2021 on February 9, 2004, at 1:55:22
All right,
here it is:http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/3661/58205
Thats the one I've been looking for... :)
Elle
Posted by alexandra_k on February 9, 2004, at 4:01:42
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on February 6, 2004, at 19:23:47
I guess I worry about it because I think what if I am kind of inducing it in myself?? I am not sure. If there is an alternative explanation I will gladly take it, but I can't for the life of me think of one. I am also worried about the trauma thing. haven't been sexually abused, but those sympathetic to the disorder often consider it to be a causative factor. I would prefer not to go there if at all possible...
Posted by alexandra_k on February 9, 2004, at 4:02:37
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms..., posted by alexandra_k on February 9, 2004, at 4:01:42
Posted by alexandra_k on February 9, 2004, at 4:08:21
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » alexandra_k, posted by Elle2021 on February 7, 2004, at 23:25:59
I had heard that some theorists consider complex PTSD to be a sort of BPD, and I have heard that some theorists consdier DID to be a varient of BPD. So there is a link with all of the above. The voices that I hear engage in fairly complex conversations with each other, and, at times with me. They also comment of what I have done for the times that I don't remember sometimes. They send me mental pictures. They claim responsibility for my actions during those times. I figure they must be parts of me (because they are associated with my body just as I am) but don't see how... They don't command me, but sometimes they threaten that they will do something (which means I find myself having done it) so they scare me sometimes.
Posted by antigua on February 9, 2004, at 9:01:29
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » Elle2021, posted by alexandra_k on February 9, 2004, at 4:08:21
Thank you so very much. You've opened up a whole new world to me.
antigua
Posted by Dinah on February 9, 2004, at 10:01:24
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » Elle2021, posted by alexandra_k on February 9, 2004, at 4:08:21
It's a darn shame you can't get the SCID-D administered where you are (and where I am). Didn't you mention you were planning to come to the states for school soon?
Posted by terrics on February 9, 2004, at 14:55:52
In reply to The interpretation of my symptoms..., posted by alexandra_k on February 6, 2004, at 6:22:54
Hi Alexandra, It sounds like DID except the hearing voices I think. I think that comes more when you are integrating..I might be totally wrong. What I do know is that most people with DID are also BPD. I hope your therapist can help you. [I am BPD and that is bad enough..My T is also BPD so she is not biased toward us.] I used to go to a site on AOL for DIDs.It was very comfy there and they accepted me although I am not DID. I learned alot from them about DID. terrics
Posted by rs on February 9, 2004, at 18:32:05
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » Elle2021, posted by alexandra_k on February 9, 2004, at 4:08:21
Hi. I have DID and yes do hear voices and they all have their own conversations and will communicate with me when not in denial. Each part has done something good for me as my T says and must look at all in that way. Yes it is very confusing and also makes me feel crazy. But let share that T says that I am an unique interesting person which do not like to hear. Want to be like the next person. How wish for you that you could find a T to work with. Hang in there and you are not crazy. I have never been told about BPD but do have PTSD. Which does make sense. Again wish you the best.
Posted by terrics on February 9, 2004, at 20:21:30
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » alexandra_k, posted by Elle2021 on February 7, 2004, at 23:25:59
Hi Elle, It would be great if you could get that article and post it. Do you actually see shadows? I see movement out of the corners of my eyes and occasionally hear someone calling me.
I have a few diagnoses one of which is bpd. terrics
Posted by Elle2021 on February 9, 2004, at 23:25:58
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » Elle2021, posted by terrics on February 9, 2004, at 20:21:30
> Hi Elle, It would be great if you could get that article and post it. Do you actually see shadows? I see movement out of the corners of my eyes and occasionally hear someone calling me.
I posted two articles, but I'm still searching for one more that was much more to the point on the subject, I haven't been able to find it yet.
Out of the corner of my eyes I see movement like you describe, alot of the time it looks like a shadow passing. Also, occasionally I see flashes of light, very quick bursts of light. I do hear voices calling my name sometimes frequently sometimes infrequently. The voice is sometimes loud and authoritative, other times it is just a whisper. Either way, I always look up and see if someones really talking to me or not. Since some of the voices I hear are when I am in a crowded place, I hypothesize that SOME of the voices calling my name could be due to my social phobia and GAD. But, when I'm alone in the room and hear it, I have to attribute it to PTSD. I also notice that the majority of the times I hear my name being called is while I am either falling asleep or waking up. My T says this is normal for people in general (not just people with disorders). I also notice that when I haven't gotten enough sleep, all the symptoms are 20x's worse. I'm always hyper-vigilant, I feel like I'm ready to "fight or flight" at any given moment. Do you feel any of these things?
Elle
Posted by Elle2021 on February 9, 2004, at 23:26:33
In reply to The article...Elle, posted by antigua on February 9, 2004, at 9:01:29
> Thank you so very much. You've opened up a whole new world to me.
> antiguaYour welcome, glad I was able to help!
:)
Elle
Posted by Dinah on February 9, 2004, at 23:43:48
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » terrics, posted by Elle2021 on February 9, 2004, at 23:25:58
My therapist says not to pay too much attention to what you experience as you wake up or fall asleep. Sometimes when I'm really tired, I hear chatter like in a restaurant as I fall asleep. You can hear the tones and cadences and sometimes almost make out a word, but you really can't understand anything? Like that.
I think it's just some sort of discharge. My brain plays back all the noise it heard during the day so it can quiet down enough to go to sleep. Again, my therapist doesn't think it's at all significant.
Posted by Elle2021 on February 10, 2004, at 0:23:07
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » Elle2021, posted by Dinah on February 9, 2004, at 23:43:48
> My therapist says not to pay too much attention to what you experience as you wake up or fall asleep.
Same thing mine says. But sometimes I hear the voice calling my name when I'm not falling asleep or waking up. I'll just be sitting, say, on the couch, and I'll hear my name being whispered or said. I'll look up and no one is there. My therapist has confimed that I am not schizophrenic. She believes all of this shadow and name hearing business has to do with the PTSD.
>
You can hear the tones and cadences and sometimes almost make out a word, but you really can't understand anything? Like that.Sometimes it's like that, but usually it's a pretty clear calling of my name.
> I think it's just some sort of discharge. My brain plays back all the noise it heard during the day so it can quiet down enough to go to sleep.
Thats a good theory, makes sense to me.
Elle
Posted by Elle2021 on February 10, 2004, at 0:26:45
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on February 9, 2004, at 10:01:24
What is the SCID-D?
Elle
Posted by antigua on February 10, 2004, at 8:51:45
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » Dinah, posted by Elle2021 on February 10, 2004, at 0:23:07
Maybe mine is a little different. I assume the voice is talking to me, and I hear things very clearly like "I'm going to kill you if you tell anyone." Scary, huh? I heard that one in broad daylight sitting on the deck at the beach. I still don't recognize the voice, and while I think it's my father, it doesn't sound like him at all. My T can't figure it out either. It's just another piece, I guess.
Thanks for the info,
antigua
Posted by terrics on February 10, 2004, at 16:27:40
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » terrics, posted by Elle2021 on February 9, 2004, at 23:25:58
I usually do not hear my name when falling asleep or on awakening. I do hear it in crowds. But what you said about symptoms being so much MORE when you are tired I really understand. Do you ever find the lighting seems way off and makes you lose your bearings? Can I ask if you have any other diagnoses? terrics
Posted by Elle2021 on February 10, 2004, at 21:50:46
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » Elle2021, posted by terrics on February 10, 2004, at 16:27:40
> Do you ever find the lighting seems way off and makes you lose your bearings?
I do when I depersonalize, and sometimes I will just be sitting in the living room and it will feel as if the lights dim for a second. Kinda like the light is far away or as if it is only a 25 watt bulb (when it's actually a 100 watt). Is that what you mean? I'm pretty sure that has something to do with anxiety disorders in general.
>Can I ask if you have any other diagnoses?
Yes, I have quite a few others actually, I'd like to make a note that I do not agree with all the diagnosis', and I'll point out the ones I don't agree with.
Panic Disorder
Geralized Anxiety Disorder
Severe Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (worst one)
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder w/Borderline Traits
Bipolar III
Dysthmia
Schizotypal Personality Disorder *This one I do not agree with and neither does my therapist. My pdoc is the only one who seems to agree with that dx, but that's cause he's the one that assigned it to me.So, thats me... It sounds like a lot, but the GAD and PD are practically one in the same, and dysthmia is just depression. The Bipolar III only acts up when I take certain antidepressants, other than that I'm fine in that area.
Do you mind if I ask you what you've been dx'ed with?
Elle
Posted by Elle2021 on February 10, 2004, at 21:56:23
In reply to Voices, posted by antigua on February 10, 2004, at 8:51:45
That does seem as if it would be rather troubling. If your current therapist can't seem to figure out what's causing it, perhaps you could see a psychiatrist. Maybe medication can solve something like that. ??
Elle
Posted by antigua on February 10, 2004, at 22:14:28
In reply to Re: Voices » antigua, posted by Elle2021 on February 10, 2004, at 21:56:23
Funny you should mention that. I've been getting my meds from my gp/ob ghyn, who I love and have seen for years, but I'm going to see a psychiatrist that my T referred me to just as soon as I can get an appt. (My old psychiatrist moved away--thank god I wasn't attached to him!)My gp just doesn't seem very savvy about meds and I think I need a change.
Thanks for mentioning it,
antigua
Posted by terrics on February 11, 2004, at 16:33:54
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » terrics, posted by Elle2021 on February 10, 2004, at 21:50:46
Hi Elle, I don't mind telling you my diagnoses. As you, there are a few. Borderline,gad,dysthymia with bouts of major depression, bipolar 2 [only because my mom is bipolar and I had a few symptoms] I am NOT bipolar. The BPD and depression kill me. terrics
Posted by Dinah on February 12, 2004, at 17:08:58
In reply to Re: The interpretation of my symptoms... » Elle2021, posted by terrics on February 11, 2004, at 16:33:54
I did something dreadful. :) I ordered the SCID-D through Amazon, along with a guide to interpreting it (used - it seems pretty expensive).
Trouble is that unlike the MMPI, a structured interview is pretty d*mn hard to give to yourself. My infuriating therapist tells me he used to give them all the time. I asked him why on earth he didn't say so when I was scouring the city for someone to give it. And he said that he didn't have any. So I said, well that's wonderful! Because I do! But he says he's forgotten how to score it.
Sigh.
Posted by gardenergirl on February 13, 2004, at 7:15:08
In reply to Alexandra? How are things going?, posted by Dinah on February 12, 2004, at 17:08:58
That certainly doesn't sound very helpful. Is there a particular question you want answered with the SCID?
gg
Posted by Dinah on February 13, 2004, at 10:48:16
In reply to Re: Alexandra? How are things going?, posted by gardenergirl on February 13, 2004, at 7:15:08
The problem is that it requires clinical judgement. :) And I just don't have any. Even if it weren't myself I wouldn't have any.
I guess I could bring the darned thing to a few sessions along with the interviewers guide and go over it step by step with my therapist, since he's done it before.
But I think he's kind of annoyed with me for caring about test results. He doesn'tunderstand my quest to understand what's wrong. :(
Posted by alexandra_k on February 13, 2004, at 17:10:08
In reply to Alexandra? How are things going?, posted by Dinah on February 12, 2004, at 17:08:58
Hello. Haven't been around for a bit because of the big move back to NZ. Good on you for getting the test - thats the kind of thing I'd do!!! Actually there are a couple of others as well, the dissociative experiences scale and there is one that is supposed to differentiate DID from other dissociative disorders and all other psych. disorders (is that the one you have got? I can't remember what it is called). It is reprinted in the back of Colin Ross' book on the treatment of DID (which is fairly interesting). Trouble is that it is based on self report and it pretty much asks you if you think you have DID or not. Eg. one of the questions is 'do you believe that there are many people associated with your body' - or similar and so you need to have decided how you want to see your symptoms before the test can tell you what to make of them. Apparantly it never turns up a false positive though a negative can be in error. Of course the sceptics maintain that the test is a load of BS.
Thanks to everyone for responding to my posting. I am indeed planning on moving to the states half way through next year though I think that student health coverage may not be adequate for me to get appropriate treatment whether I have BPD or DID or both. The places I want to apply to don't have clinical programmes so there isn't cheap student healthcare. Its supposed to be a 6-8 wk program for exam stress etc, not treatment for 'pervasive' disorders...
Anyway, how did you manage to pick up a test??? I thought they were restricted to those with the credentials to administer them?? I have access to the psychological testing library here - might see what they have, though they seem to focus on boring stuff.... (though intelligence tests are kinda fun..).
Posted by Dinah on February 13, 2004, at 18:20:13
In reply to Re: Alexandra? How are things going? » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on February 13, 2004, at 17:10:08
If it was Ross, it might be the DES. I took that and it said I didn't dissociate to any significant degree. You can find that one on the internet by typing Dissociative Experiences Scale into Google. That was the test the EMDR therapist gave me that had me in tears of frustration because I wasn't sure what they meant.
The SCID-D I just ordered from Amazon. It didn't ask if I was a professional, although admittedly the packaging did say for professionals only. How about professional self researchers? lol.
But they're all self reporting tests, so you're right. It doesn't take a genius to tell what they're getting at. And you could probably answer to get it to tell you whatever you wanted.
I don't think it opened up any new ideas or insights for me. I don't have trouble with amnesia, I do have problems with derealization and depersonalization. I had figured it all out already.
Too bad about student services. But there are some places here that have sliding scales for treatment. Maybe the student counselling office could steer you to one.
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