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Posted by alexandra_k on November 15, 2005, at 19:29:39
In reply to US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd), posted by crazy teresa on November 13, 2005, at 19:27:20
very tentative...
very tentative...(((crazyt)))
you will be missed.
i'm sorry.
take care.
Posted by Bobby on November 15, 2005, at 20:38:38
In reply to US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd), posted by crazy teresa on November 13, 2005, at 19:27:20
about your ban. On a lighter note, I wonder--do your kids call you mother teresa? :) Take care!
Posted by wildcard on November 16, 2005, at 14:45:00
In reply to US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd), posted by crazy teresa on November 13, 2005, at 19:27:20
Was that the one I sent you?! As a US citizen, in my opinion, I believe most of it to be true and I for the *most* part agreed w/ it. I am glad that you had the courage to state *your* opinion although many won't and don't have to agree.
Posted by AuntieMel on November 17, 2005, at 13:17:03
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd) » crazy teresa, posted by alexandra_k on November 14, 2005, at 18:07:09
"because what i find hardest to take...
the thing that i really do have to say i find the hardest to take...
is the 'couch potato' thing.i had failed to appreciate...
just how many people do believe...
or how many people think it is perfectly acceptable to express...
comments to the effect that people are poor because they are lazy.now at this point i'm probably over-reacting...
but everytime you think 'poor' in a sentance...
try replacing the word 'poor' for the name 'alexandra_k'
and if that doesn't do it for you...
how about engaging in a little imaginitive exercise... just to humour me... how about imagining that for some totally bizzare reason you lose everything you have and try replacing the word 'poor' with your name."---------------------
Alex - I was poor once myself. When I first went to college I qualified for every government help out there - grants, loans, work-study - you name it I could get it.
So, I don't think all people are poor because they are lazy. And I believe there should (and there are) programs for those without resources to 'equalize.'
You are in school, so you don't even come close to being a couch potato.
But - humans being what they are, not all the same, I do believe that there *are* people who would happily not work as long as they can get around it. And it's those people who I don't believe my hard work should support.
But, all that aside, CT posted something she thought was funny and light hearted. I thought bits of it were pretty funny myself.
I think sometimes things should just be left at face value.
Posted by wildcard on November 17, 2005, at 16:51:28
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd) » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on November 17, 2005, at 13:17:03
Posted by alexandra_k on November 17, 2005, at 17:58:55
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd) » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on November 17, 2005, at 13:17:03
> But - humans being what they are, not all the same, I do believe that there *are* people who would happily not work as long as they can get around it. And it's those people who I don't believe my hard work should support.
I agree. Some people would happily stay at home and look after their children. Some people would happily spend their time working for charities rather than companies. Some people... Don't believe they can do anything worthwhile.
But I think all of these people deserve their basic needs met. And the latter... Need a little help figuring out what they might be able to do that they would no doubt find a whole heap more satisfying than sitting at home watching the box (which tends to be something that people revert to when they are suffering from depression, for example).
> But, all that aside, CT posted something she thought was funny and light hearted. I thought bits of it were pretty funny myself.
> I think sometimes things should just be left at face value.I did over-react.
But...
I also have a tendancy to over-react to jokes about
black people
blonde people
r*dneck people
etc
etc
i guess that because of the very real discrimination that is out there... people are sensitised to that... and tend to perceive 'more of the same' even when that is not intended.but that being said...
i over-reacted, yup.
and i am sorry that crazyt got blocked :-(
Posted by alexandra_k on November 17, 2005, at 22:27:35
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd) » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on November 17, 2005, at 13:17:03
>And I believe there should (and there are) programs for those without resources to 'equalize.'
though... there are still differences in native ability...
> And it's those people who I don't believe my hard work should support.Ah. I should also say that...
Its not about your hard work supporting them...
Its about those people in the top few...
Who have so very very very much more than they need.
And most of them have not worked harder than you.
Most of them have not worked harder than...
Someone struggling to make ends meet
Working long hours
On minimum wage.There are people who work really very hard and they still don't have enough to make ends meet.
I think...
That there are people (in that top few) who could stand to have a lot less money (wouldn't make a practical difference to their lives) and that could be used to... Increase the minimum wage. Etc.
Because sometimes... Its about the hardworking people on the minimum wage... Who are making the *luxury* items... They are making the items that makes the owners of the company rich... And so there... Its the poor peoples hard work that is making the companies owners into billionaires...
And I imagine...
Its gotta hurt a little...
The notion that those hard working people on minimum wage...
Could save 5-10% and be millionaires...
When they can't make ends meet
And they are working their *sses off
And in light of that...
I can understand why people might just *give up*
And maybe even... Resign themselves to starving...
Or turning to crime...
When what I'm thinking...
Is it is more of a crime...
The minimum wage being what it is...
And the point that people get rich
Off other peoples hard work.And everybody in the world could have their basic needs met if only we redistributed the wealth a little more than we are at present...
And everybody could have *more* than their basic needs met in virtue of working hard (or being lucky I suppose)
But I think the situation as it is right now isn't so good :-(
And it isn't so good when food is exported for $$$
When people are starving
Because... Food is considered something that people produce to make money
And I think...
Food should be something that people produce to feed people.
And if we thought that way...
There wouldn't be any starving people.And no matter how *lazy* a person is
(though I don't think anybody is *just* lazy its more about depression and despair)
But even if there really were people out there who were just *lazy* of their own free willI still believe they should have their basic needs met.
And I believe that what they really need...
Is a little help to figure out something to do that they will find worthwhile.
But...
Given the minimum wage being what it is...
Given the working conditions for unskilled workers...
Given the point that many people are repeatedly told they are *stupid* and they *can't* read or learn or whatever...I can understand why there may well be some pepole out there who have...
Given up.
:-(
I think we should do something...
Posted by Gabbix2 on November 18, 2005, at 2:28:25
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd), posted by alexandra_k on November 17, 2005, at 22:27:35
I recieved a similar e-mail though it was supposedly from Australia, and It said Motto is "In God we Trust" if you don't like it.. leave. I thought that was amusing, because that *isn't* the Australian Motto.
That aside, I did not find the e-mail posted here humorous, but that's not really important, but the last line infuriated me, those kind of comments do actually trigger me. UMMM HELLO? The U.S was taken brutally from the Natives, and Mr. Aye *Dares* to talk about the
non-english changing history or heritage or religion?
Anyway, though I'm barely here at all anymore, I had to post and say I appreciate very much what you've said about that, and about poverty, and about Welfare. You lived on 80.00 a month, I lived on 70. Now that I'm on Disability I have 140.00 for everything except rent.
I needed to pop my head in and say that, because
I guess I'm so used to being with people in my own head space, I'm sometimes shocked that these views are still so common.
Posted by wildcard on November 18, 2005, at 9:07:12
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd), posted by alexandra_k on November 17, 2005, at 22:27:35
I agree that there are many excellent points brought out in this thread, many that I agree wholeheartedly with and some that I don't. These are issues that affect individuals each day and unless an individual has 'walked in those shoes' per say, it is often hard for them on a personal level to understand. IMO, I agree that things are definitely unequal, however I did take the above mentioned email lightly. I guess the difference w/ myself personally is that I read an opinion of another person and I have always respected that 'freedom'. I have realized that I may never 100% agree with something another person says, and I know that sometimes there are those certain things that hit that one raw nerve and as humans, we react. I know that CT did not mean to offend anyone though and even stated that she didn't agree w/ all he said. This is just one of those times where I wish there was a reverse button on life.
Posted by Gabbix2 on November 18, 2005, at 14:12:27
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd), posted by wildcard on November 18, 2005, at 9:07:12
>I did take the above mentioned email lightly. I guess the difference w/ myself personally is that I read an opinion of another person and I have always respected that 'freedom'. I have realized that I may never 100% agree with something another person says, and I know that sometimes there are those certain things that hit that one raw nerve and as humans, we react.
That's it, exactly : )
Nicely said.I'm sure there are things I laugh at that other people think are awful. I wouldn't post them on Babble though :0
I do have a genuine trigger response (though i'm not quite sure what that means to everyone) in this case it means I can't sleep.
And I don't look to be offended. However When I hear comments like "One true God" and "English is our language" It makes my blood boil.
I just can't help but think about the methods that were used on the Native people in order to make North America "Christian" and English Speaking. Entire cultures were destroyed, thousands died.
I can't take that lightly, just as I can't take the Jewish holocaust lightly.I wonder how anyone can speak so sanctimoniously, as if this the way North America has always been, and those historical atrocities forgotten. It really wasn't that long ago. And the irony is, the first white settlers were welcomed, they were fed by the Native people.
The last residential school for First Nations children who were without choice, taken from their homes in order to force them to break any connection their own culture was only closed in the 1970's
Additionally, I have a personal love of diversity. I live in a community with a high percentage of Punjabi speaking people, and I want to learn to speak Punjabi (Even though the store owners who try to teach me, chuckle good naturedly at my feeble pronounciation)**** I know that CT did not mean to offend anyone though and even stated that she didn't agree w/ all he said.
I realize that. And though I'm not saying Theresa will change her views,this is where I think open polite dialogue is very helpful.
I have said things that in retrospect I cringe about, because people offered me a different view, and I think differently now.
***This is just one of those times where I wish there was a reverse button on life.Yeah, wouldn't that be great.. for so many reasons :)
Oh and if anyone wonders how I can afford a computer on 140 a month, it's because I don't have a phone, I had to choose between the two.
Posted by wildcard on November 19, 2005, at 16:48:00
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd) » wildcard, posted by Gabbix2 on November 18, 2005, at 14:12:27
>I just can't help but think about the methods that were used on the Native people in order to make North America "Christian" and English Speaking. Entire cultures were destroyed, thousands died.
I can't take that lightly, just as I can't take the Jewish holocaust lightly.>I wonder how anyone can speak so sanctimoniously, as if this the way North America has always been, and those historical atrocities forgotten. It really wasn't that long ago. And the irony is, the first white settlers were welcomed, they were fed by the Native people.
Excellent point~ I am choking on my foot as I write this, and I should!
Posted by Gabbix2 on November 20, 2005, at 13:16:08
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd) » Gabbix2, posted by wildcard on November 19, 2005, at 16:48:00
I don't say these things to be argumentative, I have appreciated it when people have offered different views with me.
I remember once using the term "that's an old wives tale"
My friend said to me, "I really don't like that term, you know, those "old wives" had a lot of wisdom that we're only just acknowledging now"
Like holistic medicine, the value of certain herbs..
Don't get me wrong, I don't freak out if someone says that, and neither did she, no one says it to be insulting, I don't think anyone is really thinking of the "old wives" when they even say it. I'm still glad she mentioned it because it made me re-think a lot of things that I just say, or laugh at, without thinking of the history or true meaning behind them.
Posted by Gabbix2 on November 30, 2005, at 16:18:29
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights (an email I rec'd) » Gabbix2, posted by wildcard on November 19, 2005, at 16:48:00
ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. >We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from!
(lastly....)
>This country was founded on the belief in one true God.When people say things like that.. and I hear it a lot. I have to give my head a shake.
One True GOD .. that would be Christianity right?
Christ.. Jesus
Uhhh Jesus was from the Middle East..If he came here, he'd be an Immigrant and he wouldn't be speaking English
Posted by Declan on December 1, 2005, at 11:40:48
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights-- One More Thing, posted by Gabbix2 on November 30, 2005, at 16:18:29
Gabbi, Maybe he was from the Middle East, but it doesn't sound right. What would Jesus do? I think he'd be a great football player, and dare I say it, a believer in the free market. Maybe he came over with the lost tribes of Israel, he could do the time thing as well, couldn't he?
Declan
Posted by lil' jimi on December 2, 2005, at 23:46:28
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights-- One More Thing, posted by Gabbix2 on November 30, 2005, at 16:18:29
>> ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country.
>> We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from!
>>In the immortal words of biblical scholar and Gov. Ma Ferguson, "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for Texas."
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-06-14/pols_capitol.html
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 0:25:46
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights-- One More Thang, posted by lil' jimi on December 2, 2005, at 23:46:28
Why hello Jimi
No kidding? He was not joking?
Really?Okay I'll look at the link
Posted by lil' jimi on December 3, 2005, at 8:52:45
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights-- One More Thang » lil' jimi, posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 0:25:46
and well hello to you too, my Miss Gabbi ...
i believe that to some extent it may be apocryphal,
but i wouldn't put it past the 1924 female governor of Texas.
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 14:01:05
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights-- One More Thang » Gabbix2, posted by lil' jimi on December 3, 2005, at 8:52:45
> i believe that to some extent it may be apocryphal,
> but i wouldn't put it past the 1924 female governor of Texas.Yeah, it's kind of scary how you can't quite know (even while you're saying hopefully "That can't be right")
It sounds frighteningly like a Quayle-ism.
Posted by lil' jimi on December 11, 2005, at 2:02:55
In reply to Re: US Bill of Non-Rights-- One More Thang » lil' jimi, posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 14:01:05
gabbi!
> > i believe that to some extent it may be apocryphal,
> > but i wouldn't put it past the 1924 female governor of Texas.
>
> Yeah, it's kind of scary how you can't quite know (even while you're saying hopefully "That can't be right")
> It sounds frighteningly like a Quayle-ism.
>
>i find it more scary that i have complete confidence that the spirit of the attribution is exactly accurate.
less hopefully i would be saying to myself, "Oh, no, not again."the ghost of dan quayle lives on.
(even though he is still alive.)
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dan_Quaylei hadn't realized how apt your quayle reference is.
thanks.~ jim
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 13, 2005, at 17:17:51
In reply to Re: One More Thang » Gabbix2, posted by lil' jimi on December 11, 2005, at 2:02:55
>
> i find it more scary that i have complete confidence that the spirit of the attribution is exactly accurate.
> less hopefully i would be saying to myself, "Oh, no, not again."
>Hello Mista Jim
That is a VERY good point. You can't escape it either way.
Dan Quayle is truly amazing. He's a politician who can't be parodied, he's self - parodying.
I've read the quotes page a few times, but looked at again after you pointed it out, and I still laugh out loud.
Posted by lil' jimi on December 13, 2005, at 17:44:42
In reply to Re: One More Thang » lil' jimi, posted by Gabbix2 on December 13, 2005, at 17:17:51
Howdy Missy Gabbi,
> > i find it more scary that i have complete confidence that the spirit of the attribution is exactly accurate.
> > less hopefully i would be saying to myself, "Oh, no, not again."
> >
>
> Hello Mista Jim
>
> That is a VERY good point. You can't escape it either way.precisely ... either way ...
> Dan Quayle is truly amazing. He's a politician who can't be parodied, he's self - parodying.
>
> I've read the quotes page a few times, but looked at again after you pointed it out, and I still laugh out loud.i think i had neglected Quayle out of denial ...
... i even gave myself the impression he had died ...
... or he has some disease maybe?but his quotations still strike us as hysterically funny ...
now i need to find the Gov. Ma Ferguson quotation web site ...
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/FF/ffe6.htmlgood to see ya,
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on December 13, 2005, at 18:52:26
In reply to Re: One More Thang » lil' jimi, posted by Gabbix2 on December 13, 2005, at 17:17:51
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_A._Ferguson
1924 Texas Gov. "Ma" Ferguson, on bilingual education:
"If English was good enough for Jesus Christ,
it ought to be good enough for the children of Texas".(not that Wikipedia is exactly authoritative.)
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 15, 2005, at 21:26:29
In reply to Re: Gov. Ma Ferguson, posted by lil' jimi on December 13, 2005, at 18:52:26
Hi jimi!
I checked that in a few places, and it does seem that those words did in fact come out of her mouth..
Posted by AuntieMel on December 16, 2005, at 9:27:57
In reply to Re: Gov. Ma Ferguson, posted by lil' jimi on December 13, 2005, at 18:52:26
Our wonderful state is full of pithy quotes.
Clayton Williams - who fortunately lost that race:
Williams made his famous joke to reporters, likening bad weather to rape, quipping, "you can't do anything about it, so you might as well lie back and enjoy it."
From answers.com - true, too, 'cause I remember when he did it.
Posted by AuntieMel on December 16, 2005, at 9:30:13
In reply to Re: Gov. Ma Ferguson, posted by lil' jimi on December 13, 2005, at 18:52:26
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber." -- Plato (427-347 B.C.)
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