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Posted by manic666 on July 28, 2010, at 6:44:57
.God say,s, if you repent your sins, i will welcome you into the kindom of heaven right???????this i dont get.Ok you can spend your life in the depth,s of depressive dispair an worship god.Another person could live a life as a muderer ,a rapeist, drunk whatever, but just has to repent his sins near the end of his life an he goes to the same place as the lifelong christian.Is this how its written,this is a genuine question
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 28, 2010, at 12:15:59
In reply to one question, posted by manic666 on July 28, 2010, at 6:44:57
> .God say,s, if you repent your sins, i will welcome you into the kindom of heaven right???????this i dont get.Ok you can spend your life in the depth,s of depressive dispair an worship god.Another person could live a life as a muderer ,a rapeist, drunk whatever, but just has to repent his sins near the end of his life an he goes to the same place as the lifelong christian.Is this how its written,this is a genuine question
manic666
YOu wrote,[...God say(')s, if you repent of your sins..the kingdom of heaven...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post ansers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. In [...God say(')s...]
1a Which God are you wanting to mean here?
2a.From what source do you use to arrive at what that god says?
B. In,[...if you repent of your sins...]
1b. Are there criteria that you use to constitute accomplishing repentance according to the god that you afre referring to? If so, could you list any of those here?
2b. Are there criteria that you use to determine if something is a sin or not according to the God that you are referring to? If so, could you list any of those here?
C, In,[..the kingdom of heaven...]
1c. Could you explain what the kingdome of heaven is in relation to the god that you are refering to?
2c. other answers unrelated to the questions above
Lou
Posted by manic666 on July 28, 2010, at 12:58:28
In reply to Lou's request.-wychghahd? » manic666, posted by Lou Pilder on July 28, 2010, at 12:15:59
christian god lou,I am not really into religion. But that question has always intrigued me.
Posted by manic666 on July 29, 2010, at 13:26:41
In reply to Re: Lou's request.-wychghahd?, posted by manic666 on July 28, 2010, at 12:58:28
It,s not like you not to give an answer lou,or isnt there one
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 29, 2010, at 20:23:49
In reply to Re: Lou's request.-wychghahd?, posted by manic666 on July 29, 2010, at 13:26:41
manic666,
You wrote,[...not like you not to give an answer...]
I can not give you an answer here, for Mr. Hsiung has posted a threat to expell from this community if I was to post what has been revealed to me that coud be in part to an answer to you from me concerning your question.
There is also an outstanding request from me to Mr. Hsiung that could prevent me from posting an answer to you here until he answers my request. Here is a link to a post and you could examine the other posts in the thread to see for yourself the request from me to Mr. Hsiung to post as to if the statement in querstion in his thinking is supportive or not.
Now my answer could come from a Jewish perspective and (redacted by respondent).
Here is the link to the thread in question.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100714/msgs/956252.html
Posted by manic666 on July 30, 2010, at 3:56:45
In reply to Lou's reply-dadrphtur » manic666, posted by Lou Pilder on July 29, 2010, at 20:23:49
I understand lou thanks ,ok no one else seems to have the answer i was looking for
Posted by Toph on August 4, 2010, at 10:51:06
In reply to one question, posted by manic666 on July 28, 2010, at 6:44:57
It is ironic manic that in life good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. When we die I believe that we all get a redo. We should try to be good people just because.
Posted by manic666 on August 4, 2010, at 13:07:45
In reply to Re: one question » manic666, posted by Toph on August 4, 2010, at 10:51:06
toph, thanks for a reply.i get what you say ,bbbbbbbbut the question is still the peace written in the bible, which contradict,s all reason. To be forgiven in the last faze of life, and it right,s all wrong,s , just by saying i repent my sin,s
Posted by sigismund on August 5, 2010, at 18:31:42
In reply to Re: one question, posted by manic666 on August 4, 2010, at 13:07:45
I think I understand Jesus when he says words to the effect that the kingdom is in front of us and we do not see it, and yet we could, in a flash.
But it's a bit of a drop from that to
>To be forgiven in the last faze of life, and it right,s all wrong,s , just by saying i repent my sin,s
Posted by hyperfocus on August 9, 2010, at 15:43:12
In reply to one question, posted by manic666 on July 28, 2010, at 6:44:57
What you're asking is one of the hardest questions in Christianity. I've seen on TV murderers in prison say that they're happy because they know God has forgiven their sins. One guy said it was ok to murder a couple of people and then commit suicide because he believed that God forgives all our sins, whether it's stealing candy or multiple homicide. Probably the most famous act of forgiveness was when Jesus forgave the guy who was crucified next to him, seemingly in an instant, just for saying he believed in him.
Only thing that I understand about it is that God may be many things, but he is a just God. And Jesus said he didn't come to overthrow the law. So if you break the law then justice demands that you pay for it. So those guys in prison are right - they are forgiven, but they still have to pay for what they did. And the guy who killed those women and then shot himself? He's also forgiven, but he still has to pay for what he has done. The idea of karma and reincarnation is pretty important in Eastern religions, and maybe what Christians call purgatory might match up with the idea of being born in another life in a condition that reflects your karma? Just speculating here. But maybe the guy next to Jesus had already been brought to justice for his sins and that's why Jesus told him what he did.
Posted by Laney on August 15, 2010, at 12:53:48
In reply to Re: one question, posted by hyperfocus on August 9, 2010, at 15:43:12
Hi there, I just wanted to add my two cents about this subject. I believe that God sees a person's heart. He knows who is faking faith or who is really contrite in heart. Also, I feel like I should have an attitude that says God can do whatever He wishes with mankind. It is His plan and not mine. I trust Him. Plain and simple. Even if I cannot understand what or why He is doing something for. Salvation is His work and reward and because of that He can decide who is to be saved.
Posted by Christ_empowered on August 16, 2010, at 15:59:59
In reply to Re: one question, posted by Laney on August 15, 2010, at 12:53:48
OK, I'm definitely not the most intellectual, well-read, or mature believer, but I've asked the same kind of questions before, so I thought maybe I'd try to take a stab at it...
Do you remember the parable of the workers? I'm really not Bible-literate, so I can't cite the address, but it goes like this: a wealthy man needs workers for his estate. He goes out and gets some of them early in the day, promising them a standard rate of pay (1 coin or something). He goes out later and gets some more. Same pay, fewer hours work. He finally goes out and gets the last round of workers about an hour or so before work is set to close. At the end of the day, everybody gets the same pay--from what I've read, the pay was standard for one full day of physical labor in biblical times.
The workers who had been there longest felt cheated. The boss man has to remind them that it is his money and his property and besides, they were being fairly compensated for what they had done.
That I think is a good story to illustrate what's going on here. This is God's Kingdom, which operates on counter-cultural values. Yes, lifelong deviants sometimes (maybe often) "get in" while some people who seem to lead respectable lives "don't make the cut", or if they do, they get the same reward (salvation) as the hardcore deviant. From our human, limited, earth-bound perspective, this seems unfair. To God, to whom (I'm paraphrasing here) 1,000 years is as one day and 1 day is as 1,000 years, how we spent the bulk of our rather measly earthly existence doesn't seem to matter quite as much as our faith or lack of faith in Him and His son, Jesus.
God' judgment on our lives is somewhere in the New Testament compared to a purifying, destroying fire; things of no worth (compared to straw) will be destroyed, while things of worth (godly living, compared to, I believe, metals and jewels) will pass through the fire unscathed.Following that, you can think of it this way: the serial killer-turned-Christian is like a house with a firm foundation (Christianity, assuming the conversion is genuine), but much of the house is built of straw, especially if it is a late-life confession. At judgment, the straw will burn away, leaving only the foundation (God's saving grace) and whatever godly acts the person engaged in post-conversion. The sinner-turned-Christian will be saved from total destruction, but may be left with only eternal salvation, no extra rewards (not that I'd think you'd *need* extra rewards besides Heaven, but still...)
Now, a person who turned to God at a younger age and lived a godly life will also be judged by this purifying flame. The sinful, useless parts of the life/house will burn away; this person will have built a house made of stronger stuff, godly stuff. After the judgment, this person will be given rewards because she not only accepted Christ and His lordship, she followed through for a good, long while and her life on earth reflected it.
This is all just my take on it. I imagine other people might have a different view.
Posted by sigismund on August 20, 2010, at 23:36:11
In reply to Re: one question, posted by Christ_empowered on August 16, 2010, at 15:59:59
I don't know if other religions place as much emphasis on the highly personalised form of ecstatic union and salvation, as does Christianity, as in
>That we may evermore dwell in Him and He in us
>Lo, I am with you, even unto the ends of the earth.I wonder.
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