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Posted by Lou Pilder on September 6, 2004, at 19:38:33
In reply to Suicide, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 5, 2004, at 22:11:41
> What does God say about suicide? Does anyone know? I think that if you've accepted Christ and have become a child of God, that suicide does not invalidate that. God will never forsake us.....he loves His children. I do not think that suicide will cancel out our relationship with God. I think we would still go to Heaven.
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> PTSD_GirlPTSD_ Girl,
I just re-read your post that innitiated this thread and now I am confronted with a problem with continueing to post what has been revealed to me about suicide and wish that you could contact me at, if you wish,:
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Lou
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Posted by PTSD_Girl on September 7, 2004, at 7:12:10
In reply to Re: Suicide, posted by verne on September 5, 2004, at 22:33:02
So, what do you all think is the punishment for taking your own life? Because God is a just God, I can't believe that we can destroy the gift He has given us without some sort of repercussions. I still don't think we would lose our relationship with our Father, but maybe I'm horribly wrong.
I believe the Bible says that we "earn" crowns for different actions on our part here in this world. Maybe God's punishment for suicide is to withdraw some crowns? Maybe I would live on the outskirts of town instead of with everyone else!! *laugh* Seriously, though, I think that maybe the result of killing one's own body is a lose of certain privledges??
Any ideas on this?
PTSD_Girl
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 7, 2004, at 17:57:55
In reply to Re: Suicide, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 7, 2004, at 7:12:10
PTSD,
You wrote, [....any ideas about this?...].
In my faith experiance, I was visited by a Rider on White Horse. There was a discussion and He said to me, "I have set this day before you.This day could have life or death, or good or evil. Choose life and both you and your children will live and you will be blessed in the land wherever you go."
Lou
Posted by rayww on September 8, 2004, at 11:11:03
In reply to Suicide, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 5, 2004, at 22:11:41
People of my faith believe this is what God has to say about suicide:
http://www.providentliving.org/ses/media/articles/0,11275,2875-1---71,00.htmland also what God has to say about life:
http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=%22this+life+is+the+time%22&scripturesearch_button=SearchI think you are correct when you say:
"I think that if you've accepted Christ and have become a child of God, that suicide does not invalidate that. God will never forsake us.....he loves His children. I do not think that suicide will cancel out our relationship with God. I think we would still go to Heaven."
I (rayww) might add, perhaps not as soon as a person like the one you described, who hadn't chosen to end their own life, but likely eventually.Grit your teeth and say to yourself, "I haven't done it yet, and I haven't done it yet, and I haven't done it yet, and so on. Each time you can say that becomes a little victory, whether in reference to suicide or any other temptation or addiction. Having victory makes us feel better about ourselves until we are able to move on to a more stable thought or activity.
In the first reference is a story of a prominent church leader whose father committed suicide. Not until this other man experienced hypothyroidism himself was he able to understand why his father may have done what seemed so out of character for him. There are reasons, not all of which we are accoutable for, yet we are still responsible to get help and take appropriate care of our own physical/mental/social/emotional health as best we can.
May the God you believe in bless you, and nurture you, and encircle you in the arms of His love right now, as you sit at your computer reading this, in the here and now, present state reality on earth today, is my prayer for you and all others who might be struggling. People of my faith believe the answer to all questions and problems can be found somewhere in scripture. http://scriptures.lds.org/ing/gdlvf?sr=1
Posted by rayww on September 8, 2004, at 12:58:15
In reply to Suicide, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 5, 2004, at 22:11:41
PTSD_girl, I thought this might be of interest to a person who believes as you do about being a child of God, has faith in Christ, and who is asking questions about suicide. It is (part of) one of the links in my first response to your question.
Questions and Answers on Suicide
Sometimes I feel so hopeless I want to end my life. What stops me is the fear of hurting my family and being punished in the next life. Shouldn’t there be a better reason to live?
New Era Answer:
Please, before you do anything else, before you even finish reading this answer, TELL SOME TRUSTED ADULT ABOUT YOUR PROBLEM. Tell your parents. Tell your (church leader). Tell a counselor at school. Call the suicide hot line. If these people can’t help you themselves, they will put you in touch with someone who can. Please don’t feel that it’s demeaning to ask for help. At some point in our lives almost all of us find that our coping mechanisms are temporarily overwhelmed by circumstance and that we need outside help. A multitude of intelligent, successful, and respected people have sought such help and have benefited from it. If your life were in danger from fire or poison, you would quickly call for assistance. When your life is threatened by suicidal thoughts, you can’t afford to do less.
The problem with answering your question is that while you’re feeling suicidal, the answer may not mean much. Your condition won’t let it. You wouldn’t be thinking this seriously about suicide unless you were temporarily suffering from a serious emotional or chemical imbalance or both. These conditions make it difficult to have a balanced perspective of life. They filter out the bright and hopeful truths and let in only the dark and sad.
Nevertheless, here goes. What is there to live for? Everything! Sunrise and sunset, laughter, music, learning, good friends, good books, good times. There is courtship, marriage, family. There are growth and achievement. There is service and sharing and joy. There is the wonderful adventure of becoming who you are here to become. There is all this and more.
If you just read that list and saw nothing but dust and ashes, don’t lose hope. You are not alone. Many are facing this problem and are overcoming it with the help of those who care about them.
Having said that, here are a couple of practical considerations. As you already seem to realize, suicide is not really an escape at all. The person who ends his life in hopes of oblivion will be astonished to learn that suicide has only made a bad situation that much worse.
Also, many impulsive suicide attempts result not in death but in severe physical and mental handicaps that must be faced throughout a long lifetime of regret.
Please understand that no one is questioning your pain. It is very real. Perhaps you have been abused. Perhaps you have lost a loved one to death. Maybe you feel you’re a failure because you got a low grade or didn’t make an athletic team. Maybe your “one true love” dropped you for somebody else. Perhaps you have a handicap and are excluded by those who should be supporting you. Maybe a hormonal imbalance has cast you into a deep depression. All these things and many others can temporarily make life seem a burden.
But life is constantly changing. Hang on, seek help, and in a few days or weeks or months, you will look around and discover that things are better. If this started with some unhappy event in your life, remember that millions before you have dealt with their grief, have overcome their handicaps, have gone on to find new goals, new friends, new sweethearts, and to live happy, productive lives.
If you are suffering from depression brought about by a chemical imbalance, there are medicines that can end your depression and let the light shine into your life again.
One way or another things will get better. It may take some time and some effort, but whatever the ache, whatever the sorrow, whatever the hurt, whatever the problem—it really can get better. Why should you end your life just when things are about to improve?
Achieving this improvement is definitely not a do-it-yourself project; you will need the help of qualified adults. Still, there are many things you can do to help yourself, and each is a better option than suicide. Here are just a few:
1. Remember who you are. If someone is putting you down or abusing you or making you feel bad, remember that first, last, and always—and in spite of anybody and anything—you are in fact a child of God.
2. Pray. And if you feel that things are so bad that not even prayer will help—then “experiment … and exercise a particle of faith … [and] let this desire work in you” Prayer really can help—if you’ll give it a fair try.
3. Talk to somebody. It helps. When things get bad it helps a lot.
(People of my faith believe:)
4. Reading the scriptures will help. (Start with the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7.) Repenting of your sins and shortcomings will help. And, having repented, learn to forgive yourself. The Savior atoned for your sins, and it is unwise and unhealthy to condemn yourself for weaknesses you are truly striving to overcome.5. Serve others. Volunteer at the hospital. Donate some time at the library. Teach retarded children to swim. Help a struggling young mother clean up her kitchen. As difficult as it will be to get started, service to others will help you feel better about yourself.
6. Remember that Satan is in a jealous rage because you have a body while he doesn’t. He would love to see you discard your life and your body. When Satan tempts you to end your life, talk to your Father in Heaven about it—right out loud if you want. Plead for his help. Don’t worry too much about the four steps of prayer, just TALK to him. Pray all day long if you need to. He will never grow tired of listening.
7. Don’t allow yourself to be alone and depressed. Call an adult you respect on the telephone. Listen to uplifting music. Start a hobby or collection. Make a new friend. Take your little brother to the gym and shoot some baskets.
8. Work on physical fitness. Go jogging. Go swimming. Go swat some tennis balls. Go for a hike. When you are physically fit, all the rest of you—your mind and spirit and emotions—will feel better, too. (Some medical research even suggests that aerobic exercise stimulates release of a natural antidepressant.)
9. If all else fails, postpone it. Don’t do it now. Wait until tomorrow, or next week. Chances are very good that when you get to tomorrow or next week, things will have changed enough that you won’t want to do it.
And if things still look bad, then postpone it again. It’s wrong. You know it’s wrong. You know it would only make matters worse. Postpone it some more. Take positive steps to make things better. Postpone it until things really do start getting better. Then forget it.
Someday you’ll look back and think about this difficult time and be really grateful that the Younger You stuck it out so that the Older You could lead a happy, satisfying life. You’ll be glad you took positive steps to make things better.
And things will get better. That’s a promise.
Youth Answers:
I think I know how you feel. I have many times felt like killing myself and even tried once, which I regret to this day. It was miserable physically as well as emotionally, and I found out that dying wasn’t at all what I was looking for. I just wanted the pain to stop. Even though I still feel like killing myself at times, I have found that receiving professional help and meeting with a member of the bishopric (or even a close friend as long as he or she doesn’t join in feeling sorry for me) make things easier. You also need to start looking at your good qualities. Whenever you feel like killing yourself, take out a piece of paper and write down ten of your good qualities.
As for a reason for continuing to live, I have found that it helps to think that if you died that you would be letting yourself down—you would never know who you would marry, who your future friends would be, or if you could have licked your problems.
To keep your mind off feeling depressed, get involved in a fun activity.
Most of all, you have to remind yourself that you can do anything you set your mind to. This may seem like a bunch of wishful thinking, but I know from experience that it works—believe me, if it didn’t, you wouldn’t be reading this letter right now.
Name withheld(People of my faith believe:)
Remember that your Heavenly Father loves you and wants you to return to him. He wants to help you. He’s there for you if you’ll just ask. You were sent to earth with a divine mission. You promised that you would fulfill that mission and return to your father’s open arms. Always remember that life is only a second compared to eternity.
xxxxxxxx, 15
El Paso, TexasThere are many reasons to live. I, too, at one point in my life felt much like you do and could find no reason to go on. Most people didn’t seem to understand the depth of the pain and hopelessness that I was feeling. Some told me to forget myself and my problems and try to serve others. Others simply told me to smile and try to have a positive attitude. While this can be very beneficial at some point, it couldn’t help me when I was hopeless and hurting enough to end my own life.
I have a few suggestions that helped me and might help you.
First, it’s important to look at yourself, your thoughts, and your feelings. Why are you hurting so much? What’s happening in your life that is causing these destructive thoughts? What can you do about it? It’s important to take a serious look at yourself and what has gone wrong, then answer these questions honestly.
Second, it would be ideal if you have access to a counselor, psychologist, or social worker who could work with you. Many schools provide these services.
Also, find a responsible and trustworthy adult to talk to. It needs to be somebody you feel comfortable talking to openly and who will be understanding. It may be a teacher, a parent, an older brother or sister, a grandparent, a Young Women or Young Men adviser, or your bishop. They really care about you and want to help.
Fourth, sit down and make a list of everything you’re good at, as well as everything that’s important to you. Keep in mind that being a good listener or being able to love and accept people are talents that are just as noble (perhaps even more so) as being able to play the piano or run in track.
Fifth, don’t feel that you’re going crazy, that you’re all alone, or that you’re bad. I felt that way, but I shouldn’t have. Being sad or hurt and having everything “fall apart” doesn’t make you an awful or “sick” person. It simply means that you’re human, you’re having problems, and you need a boost. Many people feel a lot like you do, although the circumstances are different.
Finally, and most importantly, (people of my faith believe) you are a literal child of God. He’s your Father and he created you—in his own image. He loves you far more than you can presently understand. He sees all the infinite beauty in you that nobody else can see. It’s there. He hurts when you hurt, and he wants to help you succeed. Go to him in prayer and ask for strength and the ability to see your worth. Gain a testimony of his love for you. I promise you that as you do these things, your eyes will be opened to the millions of beautiful reasons to go on living. I know because I found them not too long ago.
Name withheldI felt the same way for six years and even now the feeling sometimes comes back vaguely. It’s a lonely and self-centered feeling, and service seems to be the only key, but it isn’t always the first key. I suffer from a chemical imbalance, and service was an impossible task before I became aware of my illness. So for six years I struggled to live day by day before receiving proper medical treatment.
Cling to gospel principles. Study and pray continually. Know that Christ died for you and that he loves you infinitely. These things never took away the terror or loneliness I experienced, but they carried me through those horrible times, so that now I can look back and say, “I’m alive, and although those times were horrible, I did all I could.” My character has grown because of those experiences, because I lived to feel the joy of life.
Through all the pain, be positive and love others, for love is our purpose. Life is a joy to me now and suicide would’ve only taken that joy away.
Name withheld
When I begin thinking about how awful life is or how awful I think I am, I try to think instead of others and what I can do to make their lives a little better. When I do this, I can see the growth in myself and know that I have improved. That, for me, is a great reason to live.
xxxxxxxx, 16
Shelley, IdahoLast February my cousin, who was a very bright, intelligent, and fun high school junior, committed suicide. I was so terrified, confused, upset, and sorrowful that for weeks I walked around idly not knowing what to do with myself.
My cousin dwelt on her problems and didn’t communicate to anyone what was really disturbing her. As a result, those terrible thoughts and emotions could not be cleansed from her system. She didn’t give anyone the chance to hear, care, or help. I miss her now, and what hurts the most is that I couldn’t do anything to help her or save her.
If my cousin had taken her confusion and pain to someone that loved, understood, and cared about her, maybe she would be here today.
Do anything and everything you can to feel the Lord’s presence and love. I’m sure that when you feel that presence, you will be determined to fulfill your mission here on earth rather than end your potential quest which God has planned for you.
xxxxxxxxxx, 16
Vienna, Virginia
We all feel depressed at times because life isn’t always easy, but God has given us the power to rise above our problems. You must not end your life prematurely, because Heavenly Father has so much in store for you. Satan doesn’t want you to have these things so he tries to make you so miserable that death seems to be the only way out, but he is wrong! Don’t let him win!Try talking to someone you trust about your feelings and they won’t seem quite so overwhelming. Heavenly Father will help, too. Always remember that he loves you immeasurably and unconditionally and wants nothing more than to see you succeed. Your family, friends, and loved ones are cheering for you, too!
xxxxxxxx, 17
Rifle, Colorado
There are many beautiful reasons to live. I’ll just mention one—the love that our Savior, Jesus Christ, has for you. Christ suffered for each soul, individually. If Christ, a perfect man, a God, with power over death, would give his life for you and your individual happiness, you have reason to live. Look deep enough and pray, and you’ll feel this love.There is always a way to find happiness, even when life seems to be at its darkest. To me personally, happiness comes through love. To receive love, you give love—unselfishly.
Don’t give up. You can overcome. Live life to its fullest. Look at the positive things instead of seeing the negative. In the gospel of Jesus Christ, all you’ll find is positive.
xxxxxxxxx, 19
Brigham City, Utah
Please don’t consider suicide. Two months ago, my best friend killed herself. I cannot even begin to tell you the pain this has caused her family and her friends. My life will never be the same. I loved her with all my heart. Until you find out your own true worth, you might have to live for your family. There is a reason for you to be here, and someday God will prove that to you.
Name withheld
Your question brought tears to my eyes because I am in the same situation. Before, it was hard to believe that others feel the way I do about committing suicide.I’m so depressed, but I’m trying to control it day by day. Some of the things I’m doing may help you.
First of all, try not to be so hard on yourself. Think of positive things about yourself.
Second, pray to your Father in Heaven so that he might help you to see the good in yourself.
Finally, find something you especially enjoy doing. It helps to build your self-esteem. A few examples are exercising, reading, drawing, or anything! It depends on you. I hope these ideas will help.
Name withheld
Yes, there is a reason for living. Just think what is ahead of you. Realize that today is a trial you have to overcome to grow. God loves you and wants only what is best for you.
xxxxxxxxxx, 15
St. George, Utah
Everyone has bad days, but since you are having a real problem in your life, talk to your parents, your bishop, or a doctor. There may be something you need to change, or you may have a chemical imbalance that would cause you to feel unhappy, even when you can’t see any reason.Sometimes depression is psychological, but many times it is a physical deficiency of certain chemicals in your brain; new prescription drugs can help this. Try to figure out what’s causing you to feel this way. In my case, I was stressed out and I needed to cut some things out of my life.
Build your relationships with your parents, your brothers and sisters, your friends, but, most importantly, with your Heavenly Father and Christ. Just remember, “I am of infinite worth. My Savior loves me.”
Posted by PTSD_Girl on September 8, 2004, at 21:35:59
In reply to Re: Suicide 2 » PTSD_Girl, posted by rayww on September 8, 2004, at 12:58:15
Thank you so much for going to the effort of sending all these articles. That means a lot to me. Thank you for thinking of me.
I have been thinking that maybe I should walk over to the church in my neighborhood and speak with the pastor. Or call and have him visit me. When I was committed after I attempted suicide, I had thought of asking for a visit from a hospital minister.....but I was in crisis at the time, and really not thinking very clearly.
I like how one of the messages in your post mentioned to keep postponing it. Put it off for another day and then another day. That's difficult, you know? But that's what I've been trying to do. It was just humbling to see that others do that as well. I wish no one had to suffer.
I know God loves me. He knew what my life would be before He even created me. I am His child, and He feels for my pain. I pray He will be happy to see me when I finally come Home. But I have lost the ability to pray now. I just can't seem to talk with Him anymore. I just don't have the strength to do that. But I know He is with me. He will never leave me. I am His child, for eternity. But I don't want to throw His gift of life to me in His face. He treasured me enough to allow for my existence. He gave me this life! Who am I to throw that gift away?? But I don't know what else to do. But I'm trying. Maybe I will call that church tomorrow. Because I really don't know how many tomorrows I have left. I am blessed, though, in that I have a couple of friends in emergency services who said they will come to me at any time if I call them....and I've already let them know that I'm feeling somewhat unstable. But maybe I should call that church. I need to feel God's presence again.
Thank you for your posts. ((HUGS))
PTSD_Girl
Posted by PTSD_Girl on September 8, 2004, at 21:41:56
In reply to Re: Suicide 2 » PTSD_Girl, posted by rayww on September 8, 2004, at 12:58:15
If I speak with a minister, do you know if that is confidential? He wouldn't turn around and have me sent to the hospital, right? I'm not sure if a pastor would have much experience with someone coming in off the street and wanting to talk about suicide and God. I wonder if he would freak out and call someone?? It's not like I'm walking around with a razor blade in my pocket.
Has anyone ever walked into a church and spoken with a pastor about suicide and God?
PTSD_Girl
Posted by rayww on September 8, 2004, at 22:59:58
In reply to A Question » rayww, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 8, 2004, at 21:41:56
Posted by rayww on September 8, 2004, at 23:34:19
In reply to Re: Suicide 2 » rayww, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 8, 2004, at 21:35:59
PTSD_girl, thankyou for your kind reply. I can't give you advice on visiting the church in your neighborhood, but I encourage you to do so. I would hope they would have access to resources that might provide the support you are in need of.
We have an open door policy in our church and if there is one in your neighborhood it is easy to find using this link.
http://www.mormon.org/question/worship/extended/1,17893,3843-1-COUNTRY-UNITED+STATES,00.htmlWhen I needed help I visited my bishop and my doctor. It was the combination of spiritual direction and medical advice that helped me the most. Sometimes we need and need and need and it is so wonderful to have a Bishop who is responsible to you. He is considered the Father of the ward, and acts in God's name. Priesthood blessings have saved many lives. Bishops are assigned geographical areas, so everyone in and out of the church actually has one.
Posted by verne on September 9, 2004, at 0:01:23
In reply to Re: Suicide 2 » PTSD_Girl, posted by rayww on September 8, 2004, at 23:34:19
this is an advertisement for the mormon church. When will the commercials and spam stop?
verne
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 9, 2004, at 3:01:26
In reply to Re: Suicide » PTSD_Girl, posted by rayww on September 8, 2004, at 11:11:03
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 9, 2004, at 9:03:39
In reply to Re: Suicide 2 » rayww, posted by verne on September 9, 2004, at 0:01:23
verne,
You wrote,[...when will the commercials and the spam stop?...].
Could you redirect your question to the admin. board? If it is posted there, then I could respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by rayww on September 9, 2004, at 10:08:48
In reply to Re: Suicide 2 » rayww, posted by verne on September 9, 2004, at 0:01:23
verne, I have always liked to document my words with official doctrine. I use the church's web site because I love it and it has been created to be used as such. It is a marvelous resource in so many ways. I am sorry you don't see it. I have no reason to "advertise" for the mormon faith, but if there is anything in my belief that can help others I'll share in a moment.
People of my faith believe in the law of witnesses. In other words, there cannot arise a single original thought that doesn't also have a witness, or another person to verify it. It is my style, after I have "created" an original thought to include the scripture reference that comes to mind afterward. It gets back to the theory that answers to all life's problems can be found in scripture.
If I was familiar with other religion's writings, I assure you I would quote from them as well. My understanding and knowledge is limited to barely a HighSchool diploma, no college, not even an avid reader, can't focus on studying, the like. I am an artsy type, who learns through the spirit. I love to explore my own thought and create new ways of expression. When that expression can be verified by someone else's thought it makes me feel good. I don't write just to feel good, but it is part of it. I find it very theraputic.
Advertising would come from the other direction, outside in, rather than inside out. Wouldn't it? Don't advertisers try to hit us from the outside and then make it penetrate in? I try to connect to the inside of people. Spirit to spirit, because that is how I learn, teach, and communicate best. At best I am still a poor communicator.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 9, 2004, at 19:38:54
In reply to Re: Suicide, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 7, 2004, at 7:12:10
> So, what do you all think is the punishment for taking your own life? Because God is a just God, I can't believe that we can destroy the gift He has given us without some sort of repercussions. I still don't think we would lose our relationship with our Father, but maybe I'm horribly wrong.
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> I believe the Bible says that we "earn" crowns for different actions on our part here in this world. Maybe God's punishment for suicide is to withdraw some crowns? Maybe I would live on the outskirts of town instead of with everyone else!! *laugh* Seriously, though, I think that maybe the result of killing one's own body is a lose of certain privledges??
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> Any ideas on this?
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> PTSD_GirlPTSD_Girl,
You asked,[...any ideas on this?...].
Let me start by saying what I see is important in this discussion.
A. What happens to you if you commit suicide
B. What happens to others that have already committed suicide
C. What does christiandom say about this in terms of its bible and their interpretations of what they say about suicide since you have written that,[...I believe the bible...].
D. What has been revealed to me about suicide.
Lou
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Posted by Lou Pilder on September 9, 2004, at 19:56:15
In reply to Re: Suicide, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 7, 2004, at 7:12:10
PTSD,
First, the bible does talk about suicide. It has examples of persons committing suicide. But as to what happens to them, which is the point of the discussion as I see it, is a topic that bible people are divided on. Some bible groups have those that commit suicide assigned to hell for torment for all eternity. Some bible groups have them assigned to hell for a period of time that is not eternal. Some groups say that their suicde is not a determining factor as to their eternal consequenses for them. Some bible groups have combinations of the above and some have something different from the above.
At your request, I could discuss biblical passages that speak to suicide . I am not a member of christiandom , but I can read the passage from your bible and give you what I can have any revelation to.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 9, 2004, at 20:02:01
In reply to Re: Suicide, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 7, 2004, at 7:12:10
PTSD,
The topic of what has happened to those that have already committed suicde could be relevant at some time, but I think that it could be more productive in this discussion to focus on arriving at something for you to have an answer to because it is you that are concerned.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 9, 2004, at 20:30:28
In reply to Re: Suicide, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 7, 2004, at 7:12:10
PTSD_Girl,
Last, is what has been revealed to me about suicide, in perspective to your concerns about what would happen to you, as to rerwards in heaven as such as you have written, if you committed suicide.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 9, 2004, at 21:04:05
In reply to Lou's reply to PTSD_Girl -SU4 » PTSD_Girl, posted by Lou Pilder on September 9, 2004, at 20:30:28
PTSD_Girl,
I can only tell you what has been revealed to me. First, it has been revealed to me that ther is life after death. When I had my faith experiance, I was visited by a Rider on a White Horse. There was a discussion and He turned to me and said, "Have hope toward God, for there will be a resurrection of the dead. God Himself will dwell with them and shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow or crying, neither shall there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away and he that overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be His God and he shall be my son.".
Lou
Posted by tai daluna on September 10, 2004, at 4:46:54
In reply to Re: Suicide 2 » rayww, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 8, 2004, at 21:35:59
it sounds to me that you are really suffering right now. i too suffer from agonizing, enduring ptsd... i know that it helps me to go to holy places when i am hurting badly. eventho i am not christian, i have taken refuge in christian churches, as well as other holy places too (temples, etc). sometimes i just need sanctuary; a place to rest the weight that i carry. i recently was prayed over by a minister at a church during a particularly terrible time for me. i went there wanting to do drugs again, or cut myself, or hook-- anything to answer the powerlessness and rage i felt-- but the next morning i awoke as if reborn, refreshed.
you do not have to carry the weight of your history alone. it was not your fault. it is alright to ask someone, to ask god, to come into you and fill you with love, and to keep you safe.
i have attempted suicide multiple times and been in the hospital for it, but that was a long time ago: now i can hardly think of it, because people do really love me, and i am sure that people do really love you too. i know now when i need sanctuary, and can ask for it. i hope if you did, maybe it would help you like it helps me sometimes.
imho, it is not so wrong to be alive for others. i am alive for those around me to love, and so that i may love. that is my purpose here. i am not sure what the other purpose is? perhaps others have different purposes, but at the core, that is why i live. when i am in the dark of ptsd hell, this consoles me. that i love. i love. i love. i make it a mantra. it was what i am good at; that and music.
i am thinking of you, and praying for your safe passage through these times.
peace.
tai
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 10, 2004, at 10:33:59
In reply to Lou's response to verne's post » verne, posted by Lou Pilder on September 9, 2004, at 9:03:39
> Could you redirect your question to the admin. board?
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040902/msgs/388658.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Jai Narayan on September 10, 2004, at 13:33:27
In reply to plese call your church, posted by tai daluna on September 10, 2004, at 4:46:54
Posted by rayww on September 10, 2004, at 15:28:26
In reply to Re: Suicide, posted by PTSD_Girl on September 7, 2004, at 7:12:10
I think you are correct when you say we may lose crowns. The Bible refers to crowns of glory. http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=bodies+celestial&search.x=31&search.y=10 which indicates there is more to heaven than one degree of glory.
You believe "in" Christ, but do you also "believe" Christ, and trust His word? Trust life, and know that you were placed in a situation that you could handle/deal with/master. There is important, eternal reasons for being. People of my faith believe we started exercising our right of choice long before we were born. (referenced earlier in this thread)
Some religions worship the spirit of mother earth, the sun, moon, and stars. Some have discovered ways of communicating with natural things. All things are possible. Explore new thought and see where it takes you. Begin with your own religion, and try talking to those nearest to you.
If you have sincere questions, you will find the answers. God loves and cares for the sparrow, and He will most certainly care for His children. (who) Come unto Him in sincere prayer...... "having faith in Christ, and He will manifest His truth unto you by the power of the Holy Ghost, and by the power of the Holy Ghost you may know the truth of all things."
I firmly believe God will hear your prayers and help you find help and answers. Being in heaven separated from God's presence would not be very much fun, even if it only lasted 2000 years. No one knows the whole answer to your question because only God knows your circumstances. Trust in something.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 10, 2004, at 16:44:32
In reply to Re: Suicide » PTSD_Girl, posted by rayww on September 10, 2004, at 15:28:26
rayww,
You wrote,[...God loves and cares for the sparrriw, and He will...care for His children.(who)Come unto Him in sincere prayer..."having faith in Christ....].
Could you clarify if you are saying:
It is necessary to have faith in Christ for God to come unto someone?
If you could, then i could respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by rayww on September 10, 2004, at 18:39:03
In reply to Lou's request for clarification » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on September 10, 2004, at 16:44:32
You always ask good questions Lou, but they are not easy to answer. If I would have said God cares for the sparrow and He will care for His children, someone may have questioned the suffering going on in the world.
People of my faith don't separate God from Christ or the Holy Ghost in prayer. We approach God the Father through the spirit (Holy Ghost), having faith in Christ. "Our Father in Heaven, da da da da, In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
God can come unto anyone He chooses whether one has faith in Christ or not, but without faith they may not see, hear, or understand. God is ever near to every one, yet some will feel His presence, and others will deny His existance.
There is an example in scripture when God spoke and some heard the message distinctly while others thought they heard a wind, and some heard nothing. (I can't find it!)
The only accounts that I'm aware of in the Bible where people actually heard the voice of God "the Father" from the heavens have been to introduce His Son. http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=%22this+is+my+beloved+son%22&search.x=31&search.y=10
You heard a voice and saw a messenger who was riding a white horse. Whose voice did you hear?
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 10, 2004, at 18:47:14
In reply to Re: Lou's request for clarification, posted by rayww on September 10, 2004, at 18:39:03
rayww,
You wrote,[...God can come into anyone He chooses whether one has faith in Christ or not, but without faith , they may not see hear or understand...].
Are you saying that God could come into a person {but if tht person does not have faith in Christ} that he may not hear, see or understand?
If ypoucould clarify that for me, then I could respond accordingly.
Lou
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