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Posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2013, at 5:54:26
I am seriously thinking about this one.
It seems the doses are sub-psychoactive. There is some risk of treatment for my depression triggering psychosis always.
Quite frankly, i cant imagine life without being doped up anymore.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2013, at 6:16:05
In reply to Low dose Iboga for schizoaffective depression, posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2013, at 5:54:26
This is some old BS. Nothing helps. Nothing is safe.
I want to get outta here. There was a time where i was on Nardil, on Wellbutrin, On Sam-E, on 5htp, on nadh. On PEA or that other more effective Amino-acid. On heaps of coffee.
I can tell you i felt like a happy content normal person.
Can i do that again? Nope. I would wish my life come to a peaceful end ASAP.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2013, at 6:28:12
In reply to Re: Low dose Iboga for schizoaffective depression, posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2013, at 6:16:05
If all else fails, might i try with a really low dose.. as my life like this isnt worth living anyway?
Posted by Tomatheus on December 29, 2013, at 16:05:15
In reply to Re: Low dose Iboga for schizoaffective depression, posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2013, at 6:16:05
Hi Lamdage22,
I don't think that I would personally try iboga, given its psychedelic properties (especially combined with the fact that I have a psychotic disorder). It could conceivably be the case that low doses of iboga might not possess the kind of psychedelic/hallucinatory properties that higher doses of the stuff possesses, but I don't personally know enough about iboga to say whether or not that might be the case. Is there some information that you've come across indicating that iboga might be effective as an antidepressant at low doses?
> I would wish my life come to a peaceful end ASAP.
I'm sorry that you're hurting. I too go through periods in which I feel like an immediate peaceful end to my life would be the best thing for everybody. But the reality of my situation is that I'm still here and that if my life is to end soon, it probably wouldn't happen peacefully. So, my life has got to go on, at least for now, and I've just got to do the best that I can with it, given the fact that the functioning of my central nervous system likely isn't the same as it was before the onset of my chronic fatigue (and that much of what I tried to treat my fatigue likely effed things up even more).
Another thing that I think I should mention is that it's vital to stay in contact with a mental health professional if you're experiencing persistent thoughts of wanting your life to come to an end. I'm not saying that alternative treatments might not ever be beneficial, but if you're considering utilizing supplements or other alternative treatments as part of your treatment plan of attack, at least let a psychiatrist or at least some kind of mental health professional know what you're up to. I keep my psychiatrist up to date on what I'm doing supplement wise, and although I think that alternative treatments can be beneficial, I think it's best to do it under some kind of professional supervision, especially if you've got strong, persistent feelings of wanting your life to end.
Now, I don't like sounding preachy. I can certainly understand where you're coming from when you say that you want your life to end, but I think that when you are having a lot of the kinds of thoughts that you've been having that it's best to exercise caution, even though it may seem like there's nothing to lose. Because, one thing that I've learned is that there pretty much always is a lot to lose, even though things may not always seem that way.
Take care for now,
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2013, at 3:15:56
In reply to Re: Low dose Iboga for schizoaffective depression, posted by Tomatheus on December 29, 2013, at 16:05:15
Is there some information that you've come across indicating that iboga might be effective as an antidepressant at low doses?
Yes i did. Miracle type antidepressant.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2013, at 3:47:00
In reply to Re: Low dose Iboga for schizoaffective depression, posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2013, at 3:15:56
> Is there some information that you've come across indicating that iboga might be effective as an antidepressant at low doses?
>
> Yes i did. Miracle type antidepressant.
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>No risk no fun brother.. I can complain of some complications with my heart and they will check the heart. Thats the biggest risk i see.
I will tell nothing to nobody though about my use of iboga, if i will use it.
Posted by Tomatheus on December 30, 2013, at 14:38:03
In reply to Re: Low dose Iboga for schizoaffective depression, posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2013, at 3:15:56
> Is there some information that you've come across indicating that iboga might be effective as an antidepressant at low doses?
>
> Yes i did. Miracle type antidepressant.I myself have read a little bit about iboga having therapeutic benefits, but I think that it was mostly for addictions. That was just something I read about in a book, though, and I'm not sure how much actual data there are showing that iboga can be therapeutic.
Do you know if there were any studies done on the therapeutic benefits of iboga, or is the information that you came across anecdotal?
Tomatheus
Posted by sigismund on December 30, 2013, at 16:41:10
In reply to Re: Low dose Iboga for schizoaffective depression » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on December 30, 2013, at 14:38:03
I took ibogaine around 40 years ago (when the regulations were different).
Some people swear by the anti-addictive thing and I have heard interesting and true stories. I have no idea how that might work.
I did not like it as much as other hallucinogens....psiloscybin, acid, harmine....it seemed a bit witchy.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2013, at 17:22:19
In reply to Low dose Iboga for schizoaffective depression, posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2013, at 5:54:26
No, there is no scientific studies behind it. I wouldnt care and it actually wouldnt surprise me if what ultimately pulls me out ofmy whole is a drug like Iboga or Ayahuasca.
You can go ahead and do all this side effect rich boring stuff... i wont. Anecdotes are fine with me. You know why? Because scientific studiescant be relied on if you havent done it yourself.
Posted by Tomatheus on December 31, 2013, at 17:54:05
In reply to Also Ayausca tea, posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2013, at 17:22:19
> No, there is no scientific studies behind it. I wouldnt care and it actually wouldnt surprise me if what ultimately pulls me out ofmy whole is a drug like Iboga or Ayahuasca.
>
> You can go ahead and do all this side effect rich boring stuff... i wont. Anecdotes are fine with me. You know why? Because scientific studiescant be relied on if you havent done it yourself.
>
> http://www.ayahuasca.com/tag/depression/Without a doubt, anecdotes can be compelling. And if a substance has little potential to do harm, then I think that a potential treatment with only anecdotal evidence to support its usefulness could be worth trying. I suppose that I don't know enough about the possible adverse effects of substances like iboga and ayahuasca to say what kind of harm such substances might do, but thinking simplistically, using a psychedelic plant when there's already psychosis involved doesn't seem likely to lead to a good outcome. I know that mainstream treatments for psychotic and affective disorders leave a lot to be desired and that it's easy to turn to other options out of desperation, but speaking as an individual who's been harmed by making risky treatment choices in the past, I don't want to see you inflict further harm to yourself by doing something that to me seems to be risky. Maybe I'm overstating the risk of the psychedelic plants that you wish to use. Maybe I'm not. But I don't think that I'd make the choices that you're thinking about making.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 1, 2014, at 5:15:56
In reply to Re: Also Ayausca tea » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on December 31, 2013, at 17:54:05
Tomatheus,
my life is not worth living nor is there any dignity. What could get worse?
I am REALLY pissed off. Yesterday i was at a party and i was on the balcony and i thought id rather just jump down.
Those are not nice thoughts to live with.
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 1, 2014, at 5:18:43
In reply to Re: Also Ayausca tea » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on December 31, 2013, at 17:54:05
My Psychologist says that 9 out of 10 people would have killed themselves already if they suffered like i do.
I must be crazy not to do it.
Posted by Tomatheus on January 1, 2014, at 16:27:32
In reply to Re: Also Ayausca tea, posted by Lamdage22 on January 1, 2014, at 5:15:56
Lamdage22,
I'm sorry that you're hurting. I think that I've already given you my input as to how I'd proceed if I were in your position, and I think that I'd just be repeating myself at this point if I were to say any more about that.
I don't know what else to say to you at this point, but I do hope that you'll find a path to wellness, whatever path that may be.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 2, 2014, at 4:22:15
In reply to Re: Also Ayausca tea » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on January 1, 2014, at 16:27:32
> Lamdage22,
>
> I'm sorry that you're hurting. I think that I've already given you my input as to how I'd proceed if I were in your position, and I think that I'd just be repeating myself at this point if I were to say any more about that.
>
> I don't know what else to say to you at this point, but I do hope that you'll find a path to wellness, whatever path that may be.
>
> TomatheusThanks, Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 2, 2014, at 12:59:19
In reply to Re: Also Ayausca tea, posted by Lamdage22 on January 2, 2014, at 4:22:15
I mean the concept isnt new. Giving hallucinogenics to Schizophrenic patients
Biperiden
If the dosage is way below the hallucinogenic dosage it should be fine. And as i said im pretty darn desperate. I will start with super low dosage.
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 3, 2014, at 4:57:20
In reply to Re: Also Ayausca tea, posted by Lamdage22 on January 2, 2014, at 12:59:19
All they talk about is high dose iboga..
I wonder what the risk is with low dose iboga (200mg Rootbark).
Logic would tell me the risk is low but who can shed some light on that?>
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 7, 2014, at 8:44:11
In reply to Iboga and long QT, posted by Lamdage22 on January 3, 2014, at 4:57:20
No effect whatsoever from 4g iboga root:(
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 7, 2014, at 9:59:59
In reply to Re: Iboga and long QT, posted by Lamdage22 on January 7, 2014, at 8:44:11
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