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Posted by VanessaFlower on November 27, 2007, at 18:56:51
Ok I know the subject sounds absurd, but I wouldn't be posting this unless I thought it was worth posting at the risk of someone telling me "it's all in your head" :)
Hi all,
Ever since starting college, I've started becoming this anxious, stressed, and extremely depressed person. Every day has been a challenge, from getting out of bed to trying to fall asleep at night. I have trouble concentrating on my homework and I get stressed thinking about all the interactions I will have to make with people as well. Generally, I find myself being an emotional wreck. The only time when I'm okay is when I don't have that much work to do, and I'm at home relaxing.However, I've noticed this interesting effect -- whenver I eat ice cream, I feel like myself again! I feel happy, more confident, and I can generally concentrate better. I look forward to seeing people, I'm funnier, and I just feel like I'm being myself again.
Now here's the even more confusing part: Ever since I was a baby, I've been allergic to milk. As I matured, I began to tolerate it a bit better. So gradually, I introduced more dairy products into my diet (an ice cream every other week, cheese pizzas, etc.). But this all abrduptly stopped sophomore year in high school when I had an asthma attack and I attributed it to all the dairy.
Six years have gone by in which I pretty much avoid diary products. I don't know if my growing depression is related to this (one would think that since it is improving my asthma, I would be less depressed). For all I know -- I could be gluten intolerant, thus the growing depression. But why on earth do I feel so much better whenever I have ice cream?
Does my body majorly need something in the ice cream? Could it be the tryptophan? In that case, why do I need tryptophan so much from ice cream -- why am I not getting enough from other sources in my diet (i.e. chicken, turkey, etc.) Could it be something else?
Posted by saturn on November 27, 2007, at 19:26:48
In reply to Ice cream - Antidepressant??, posted by VanessaFlower on November 27, 2007, at 18:56:51
Could it be something else?
Assuming you're not eating low-sugar or sugar-free ice cream, the sugar creates an insulin response which is essential for driving tryptophan into the brain.
Posted by Sigismund on November 27, 2007, at 21:43:37
In reply to Re: Ice cream - Antidepressant??, posted by saturn on November 27, 2007, at 19:26:48
Clearly I have no idea, but the thing that occurs to me is that eating icecream reminds you of the uncomplicated way you felt when you were a kid, and that cheers you up.
Posted by tecknohed on November 28, 2007, at 6:48:00
In reply to Ice cream - Antidepressant??, posted by VanessaFlower on November 27, 2007, at 18:56:51
Apart from the sugar, which can raise mood in many individuals, ice cream also contains (I think) phenylethylamine, just like chocolate which is well known to increase mood. Phenylethylamine(s) are said to replicate that 'falling in love' feeling.
By the way, chicken & turkey wont raise brain levels of tryptophan by themselves as they contain far too many other protiens/amino acids for competition to cross the blood-brain barrier. To raise brain levels of tryptophan NATURALLY you need a low-ish protien - high carbohydrate diet, preferably complex carbs to avoid blood glucose drops (which can cause mood swings).
teck
Posted by JLx on December 8, 2007, at 13:29:30
In reply to Re: Ice cream - Antidepressant?? » VanessaFlower, posted by tecknohed on November 28, 2007, at 6:48:00
Is your reaction stress related?
NEW YORK TIMES
By SANDRA BLAKESLEE
Published: September 16, 2003"When life is not going so smoothly and people reach for goodies full of fat and sugar, they are doing more than surrendering to cravings. Comfort foods like chocolate cake and ice cream literally blunt the body's response to chronic stress, scientists reported last week.
The finding, published in the online edition of The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, confirms what many people know firsthand. Eating calorie-rich food seems to calm the nerves, but eating too much can lead to obesity, depression and more stress.
This is the first time it has been shown that the tendency to overeat in the face of chronic stress is biologically driven, said Dr. Norman Pecoraro, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of California at San Francisco who helped carry out the research in rats. What is true for stressed-out rats, he said, is also true for humans.
In fact, ''if you are overly stressed, it's probably a good idea to overeat, at least in the short run,'' Dr. Pecoraro said. ''But if you develop a thick tire of fat around your abdomen, you need to figure out a way to reduce your stress or you'll be inviting all sorts of chronic health problems.''
Until this work, it was not known that metabolic signals from the body could turn down activity of the stress hormone axis, said Dr. Bruce McEwen, a neuroendocrinologist and a leading stress expert at Rockefeller University in New York, who was not involved in the study. The findings provide a new set of mechanisms for understanding how chronic stress and anxiety interact with food, Dr. McEwen said.
The body experiences two kinds of stress, Dr. Pecoraro said. Both have braking systems to keep them from spiraling out of control.
Acute stress occurs when a single event, like getting cut off on the highway, sets off an alarm response in the brain. Signals are sent to the body's adrenal glands, which release a cascade of stress hormones.
''You feel anxious, defensive, vigilant,'' Dr. Pecoraro said. ''You want to hunker down. You give up on finding food, which is a useful thing to do if there's real danger.'' And then, within minutes, elevated stress hormones interact with brain receptors and shut down the system.
With chronic stress, like getting cut off on the freeway several times a day, stress hormones become chronically elevated, Dr. Pecoraro said. They ramp up anxiety centers in the brain, causing more signals to flow to the adrenal glands, releasing more stress hormones. The system excites itself in a vicious cycle.
Until now, no one has known how chronic stress gets turned off. A year ago, researchers in Dr. Mary Dallman's laboratory at U.C. San Francisco removed the adrenal glands from rats and exposed them to chronic stress. When they added stress hormones to rats' brains, the animals remained stressed. But when they fed them sugar, the animals calmed down.
This meant that the body provided a brake on the brain's chronic stress response, Dr. Pecoraro said. It seems to be part of a feedback loop involving abdominal fat, energy-rich food and pleasure centers in the brain. First, he said, ''stress hormones increase the salience of rewards.''
''They tell the brain, go get the goodies,'' he went on. ''It can be comfort food or other rewards like drugs, sex or rock 'n' roll.''
This makes sense from an evolutionary viewpoint, Dr. Pecoraro said. Animals that are acutely stressed stop eating, lie low and pull fat and protein from their bodies. But they cannot do that forever.
''After a few days, they need to get out and get a real fix,'' he said. ''They need high-energy foods, like a tub of butter, to put money in the bank.''
Once energy stores are replenished, a signal, probably from fat, flows back to the brain saying it is all right to calm down, Dr. Pecoraro said. The chronic stress cycle is turned off.
In an insidious sidelight, stress hormones also activate fat receptors in the abdomen and belly in ways that increase deposits of fat, he said. The more abdominal fat people have, the better they shut down chronic stress but the more vulnerable they are to diabetes, heart disease and stroke.
Chronic stress, perversely, also excites the compulsive pleasure-seeking component of the system, Dr. Pecoraro said.
''If you use sex, drugs or rock 'n' roll instead of high-energy food to get stress-reducing pleasure, you miss out on the metabolic feedback,'' he said. ''You don't shut down the chronic stress system. You just seek more cocaine. Things like saccharin won't cut it. You need the real thing or the system won't stay in balance.''
This is me, and my weight problem, in a nutshell. I wish the article had say more about alternatives. I'm trying Rhodiola rosea right now as it's supposed to be a stress adaptagen. Too soon to tell.
JL
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