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Posted by linkadge on July 30, 2006, at 20:20:19
Is this possable?
I've read a number of studies that suggest that exposure to EMF can cause all sorts of strange up neurological changes.
I want to ask sombody really smart like David Suzuki.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on July 30, 2006, at 20:22:11
In reply to Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by linkadge on July 30, 2006, at 20:20:19
I understand that this question has become increasinly associated with the idea that you're a paranoid schizophrenic.
Infact, the idea never crossed my mind, until I realized how EMF can effect the brain through my use of my TMS device.
Linkadge
Posted by laima on July 31, 2006, at 19:26:54
In reply to Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by linkadge on July 30, 2006, at 20:20:19
I've wondered about this too! And have seen little bits in the news suggesting others are curious. I've noticed that I tend to feel more agitatable when in a densley populated urban building full of appliances, than I do in an outdoor place or more remote location.> Is this possable?
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> I've read a number of studies that suggest that exposure to EMF can cause all sorts of strange up neurological changes.
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> I want to ask sombody really smart like David Suzuki.
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Posted by laima on August 2, 2006, at 20:29:58
In reply to Re: Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by linkadge on July 30, 2006, at 20:22:11
An easy way to dismiss concerns one doesn't wish to take the time to condsider is to say, "oh...it's the *schizophrenics*." Or perhaps if someone claims to be getting television signals in their brain, it could be true in some cases
But---
Witness the tranformative power of a collosal and super exciting LOUD thunderstorm right over you; how that can dramatically change mood and energy like magic.
I'd be far less depressed or dull if we had such thunderstorms nightly, that's for sure!
> I understand that this question has become increasinly associated with the idea that you're a paranoid schizophrenic.
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> Infact, the idea never crossed my mind, until I realized how EMF can effect the brain through my use of my TMS device.
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Posted by linkadge on August 5, 2006, at 3:44:02
In reply to Re: Electropolution as a cause of depression? » linkadge, posted by laima on August 2, 2006, at 20:29:58
Some of the abstracts on this link seem to concern me.
http://www.bioelectromagnetics.org/doc/bems2002-abstracts.pdf
Now, I understand that the 'conscencious' is that such devices can pose no risk to human health. But even those in the highest positions claim that there is insufficiant evidence to conclude either way.
I understand that the issue is viewed very differently in Sweeden. Apparently over there they have a counsil set up, designed specifically to deal with research into the possability.
Linkadge
Linkadge
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 5, 2006, at 5:48:15
In reply to Re: Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by linkadge on August 5, 2006, at 3:44:02
Hi Link.
> I understand that the issue is viewed very differently in Sweeden. Apparently over there they have a counsil set up, designed specifically to deal with research into the possability.
Can you elborate on this please? I might be able to find out more for you, I'm moving to Finland in September.
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by linkadge on August 7, 2006, at 17:49:24
In reply to Re: Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 5, 2006, at 5:48:15
I am not exactly sure. I know that there is a growing number of people reporting that living near sources of heavy electropolution has made them feel worse. I've just heard that in Sweeden the situatin is taken a lot more seriously. I think they have set up some sort of counsel designed specificially for continued research in the area, and that they provide people with information on how to reduce exposure.
Some people have gone to the lengths to proof their house.
I really don't know what degree of it is significant.
After having experiemented with rTMS, I feel that electromagnetic waves can definately impact the way the brain works.
There are a few universities here in canada, for isntance, that have banned the use of WI-FI networks based on the notion that it may impact the developing mind.
Linkadge
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 9, 2006, at 5:22:25
In reply to Re: Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by linkadge on August 7, 2006, at 17:49:24
>I've just heard that in Sweeden the situatin is taken a lot more seriously.
Yeah, this sounds about right for Scandivanian countires. They take alot of public health concerns very seriously.
> I really don't know what degree of it is significant.
Ah, I remember now that there was quite a bit of media hype regarding children living around those high volage power lines - I think they noticed an increased risk of childhood leukemia, which in my mind, at least, makes alot of sense - the electromagnetic field surrounding those power lines must be quite significant.
> There are a few universities here in canada, for isntance, that have banned the use of WI-FI networks based on the notion that it may impact the developing mind.
Do you mean WI-FI as in wireless internet access??? Yeah, I'm concerned about that too. I mean wireless networks are everywhere these days, for instance I live in a village and here at the moment I can usually pick up two or three different networks. In fact, I'm sitting about 2m away from where our house wireless network is broadcast. EEEkk!
Thing is, my brother who actually is a network engineer or something (he deals with all the mobile phone networks like G3 etc- don't forget thats another invisible electropollutor!) I asked him about it, and he wasn't very concerned about it. He thinks the *magnitude* of the broadcasting network is so small that there really isn't a problem. Now, I trust what he says because he is pretty well informed about health matters and things like that. For instance, he had his mercury fillings changed 20 years ago and people thought he was mad.
But still, that doesn't mean that there isn't some long-term health concern with these networks. I mean things like cancer take ages to show up in a population, and even then its always hard to prove what generated the cancer.
Still.....I wonder what Larry would have to say. I bet he'd have a very good answer. I wonder where he is these days??
To be honest, I'm sure we must get much more electropollution from other things. I suppose it depends on what you mean by electropollution. Light is electopollution. Don't forget that light is also a form of electromagnetic radition also. What about those metal detectors you do through at airports?? What about solar activity - well this is probably more of a long term thing.
I mean, don't forget that any wire carring a current will produce an electromagnetic field. So whilst this may be of concern regarding people living under those huge power lines you see transporting electricity across the country, it also means there's a field around any wire you have in the house. I know electromagnetic fields aren't the same as WI-FI networks, but you kind of get the jist. Don't forget that there are radiowaves bouncing around as well..hhmmmm.
I guess it depends on the type of electromagnetic radition, ie where it sits on the spectrum, and what the magnitude is.
I guess adding up all the sources around you, for instance, mobile phone networks, wi-fi networks, radio networks, natural radition variations from the sun (the sun emits other forms of electromagnetic radition other than light for instance), solar flares, etc etc, it might add up to something significant.
Sorry I'm just thinking out loud.
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by llrrrpp on August 13, 2006, at 9:31:05
In reply to Re: Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by linkadge on August 5, 2006, at 3:44:02
Wow Link, I didn't know how many researchers were examining the link between electric/magnetic fields and impacts on biological systems... Very Interesting!
I wonder how man-made electropollution compares to the vast amounts of electromagnetic radiation that impact our planet because of the sun. Especially during "solar storms" vast amounts of powerful electromagnetic radiation can cause disruption of satellite and even surface electronic devices.
I can see an interesting retrospective study- a correlation of mental and physical health following periods of extreme vs. typical solar radiation...
-ll
my friend G. uses a headset because she's worried about this stuff. I think she has more important things to be concerned about, personally...
Posted by laima on August 13, 2006, at 10:21:01
In reply to Re: Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by llrrrpp on August 13, 2006, at 9:31:05
I still think the effects of intense thunderstorms on mood and energy are intriguing evidence...
Posted by laima on August 16, 2006, at 19:52:35
In reply to Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by linkadge on July 30, 2006, at 20:20:19
> Is this possable?
Check out the Aug/Sept issue of Scientific American Mind! They have a whole page about this in the back and it looks affirmative. Bummer I didn't have $5.95 handy today, and their website doesn't include the full article, but just this preview:
Ask the Brains
Could certain frequencies of electromagnetic waves or radiation interfere with brain function? --L. Chamas, Montreal
Amir Raz, assistant professor of clinical neuroscience at Columbia University, replies:
Definitely. Radiation is energy, and research provides at least some information concerning the ways in which specific types of energy may influence tissue, including the brain. I will review what we know about several types....continued at Scientific American Digital
(you have to pay to keep reading)
http://www.sciammind.com/article.cfm?articleID=000E4F4D-E50F-14C8-A47D83414B7F0000
Posted by Iansf on August 20, 2006, at 16:00:52
In reply to Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by linkadge on July 30, 2006, at 20:20:19
> Is this possable?
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I so hope that's not true. I live three houses down from an electrical substation, and the number and size of electrical wires outside my flat is dismaying. I would have to say life has seemed harder since moving here four years ago, but then I can hardly claim life was easy before.
John
Posted by Cairo on August 23, 2006, at 13:23:54
In reply to Re: Electropolution as a cause of depression?, posted by Iansf on August 20, 2006, at 16:00:52
Could it be that our wired, thermostatically controlled world is playing havoc with people who are more susceptible to the effects of positive ions? Computers, heating and air-conditioning and probably other things like synthetic materials cause generation of positive ions which may result in mood alteration in some people???
I think that negative ion generators certainly work in some people, but may not in others, like everything else. I wish there were more studies on this. One company claims that binchotan charcoal placed on top of your electronics help counteract the positive ions. Who knows.
Cairo
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