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Posted by spriggy on September 18, 2005, at 17:41:12
Does anyone know if it's true that this supplement ( I actually read it was a protein) can kill the Epstein Barr virus and help aide in candida overgrowth??
I have both problems right now and am feeling very, very crummy.
Thanks.
Posted by TamaraJ on September 18, 2005, at 19:10:23
In reply to L-Lysine for Epstein Barr and yeast problems?, posted by spriggy on September 18, 2005, at 17:41:12
I don't know if L-Lysine is good for Barr Epstein or yeast problems. I had heard that it is good for things like cold sores and herpes virus (which is what, I think, causes cold sores).
I had found what looks like quite a comprehensive, natural anti-yeast protocol in a book that I got last year "The Diet Cure" by Julia Ross. I have never tried it because I have not had a problem with yeast. Here is the protocol, if you are interested.
Upon rising: 2 capsules of a combination of good bacteria - lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus, on an empty stomach (to restore and maintain normal intestinal flora - the good bacteria).With meals:
1 to 2 capsules of grapefruit seed extract (kills yeast but is nontoxic to humans);
1 capsule of biotin (1,000 mcg) (bioton, apparently helps stop sugar cravings and has a surprisingly inhibitory effect on yeasts);
2 capsules or a small clove of garlic (garlic inhibits microbes of all kinds, including yeasts and parasites); and
oregano oil (good against a wide range of fungi and yeasts and has antiparsitic properties)All the supplements would likely be available at any health food store or could be ordered from a health food store in the net.
Anytime: drink pau d'arco (apparently comes in tea form and is a South American herb that contains 3 anti-yeast compounds that are active against Candida albicans and fungi) and ginger tea (inhibits both fungus and yeast while promoting the growth of friendly bacteria, plus it is yummy and really good for nausea and indigestion)
Posted by TamaraJ on September 18, 2005, at 19:13:05
In reply to L-Lysine for Epstein Barr and yeast problems?, posted by spriggy on September 18, 2005, at 17:41:12
Here's a little bit of info on L-Lysine, which I found on a natural supplement site that I sometimes order from.
Lysine
Type Amino AcidSource
Essential amino acid found in most fresh fruits and vegetables, dairy, eggs, beans, meat, fish, poultry, brewer's yeast.Dosage
500-3000mg daily between meals.Discussion
Lysine is an essential amino acid that must be obtained through diet or supplements. Lysine is a living enzyme lost or weakened by freezing, processing, canning, heating, and microwaving. For this reason, animal sources are not as valuable as fresh vegetables and fruit. On the other hand, it has also been suggested that vegetarians may be deficient in lysine. When lysine is deficient, infections spread and the immune system does not work as efficiently. Lysine also works with vitamin C to aid in collagen formation and calcium absorption. Lysine is needed for production of enzymes. Lysine is rapidly converted to l-carnitine by your body with the aid of methionine. The active form of carnitine, acetyl-l-carnitine also needs coenzyme A, which is produced when molybdenum, selenium, manganese, zinc, and B vitamins are present. Lysine helps the absorption of calcium, tissue repair and collagen formation. It is needed for growth in infants and balances nitrogen equilibrium in adults.Deficiency Symptoms
* Infections come alive, infections are difficult to resolve * Food allergies become problems and you feel tired and weak all the time. * Too much arginine can cause a lysine deficiency. * Dizziness * Anemia * Hair loss * Fatigue * IrritabilityCaution
* High dosages may elevate cholesterol. * When taking a therapeutic dose of one amino acid, it is important to also take an amino acid complex to help prevent an out-of-balance condition.
Posted by Declan on September 18, 2005, at 20:06:52
In reply to L-Lysine for Epstein Barr and yeast problems?, posted by spriggy on September 18, 2005, at 17:41:12
Lysine certainly works for cold sores, if you take enough of it quickly enough. Never heard of it being helpful for the other things.
Declan
Posted by spriggy on September 19, 2005, at 23:04:50
In reply to Re: L-Lysine for Epstein Barr and yeast problems?, posted by Declan on September 18, 2005, at 20:06:52
Posted by verne on September 19, 2005, at 23:43:38
In reply to L-Lysine for Epstein Barr and yeast problems?, posted by spriggy on September 18, 2005, at 17:41:12
I was diagnosed with systemic candida years ago. Besides having all my metal dental fillings (mercury amalgams) replaced, I found grapefruit seed extract to do the most good. I noticed immediate improvement.
I still take grapefruit seed extract (I like Proseed capsules) because it even helps with my depression. I always notice that it "clears" my head.
Which reminds me, I haven't taken any in awhile. I have so many supplements I can't even keep track of them.
Verne
Posted by Declan on September 21, 2005, at 14:35:20
In reply to Re: L-Lysine for Epstein Barr and yeast problems? » spriggy, posted by verne on September 19, 2005, at 23:43:38
Hey verne, what's the connection between candida and mercury?
I had a cyst on my thyroid that my nutritional dr thought was related to heavy metal toxicity, probably mercury. Had candida too, I should think.
Declan
Posted by verne on September 21, 2005, at 23:39:05
In reply to Candida and mercury » verne, posted by Declan on September 21, 2005, at 14:35:20
I think that candida overgrowth causes allergies and chemical sensitivities over time due to "leaky gut" syndrome. So one would be more likely to react to the mercury fillings.
I had my blood examined at the Huggins Lab (way back in 1990) and my reactivity to mercury, silver, tin, and copper were off the 0-9 scale. I think normal was 0-1, with 2-3 being acceptable. Any reading above 3 was considered significant. I had "9" reactivity to mercury and a host of 7 and 8's for other elements found in fillings. The severity on this scale goes up like the richter scale.
Anyway, the lab people (who didn't do the dental replacement work) said these results were some of the highest they had seen and they would expect someone with these readings to suffer from depression, confusion, chronic fatigue, anxiety, etc... and most likely be in the hospital - or dead.
It happens that I had spent most of the previous year on psych wards at three different hospitals and was barely coping when not in the hospital. I also had chronic hematuria (blood in the urine). The VA and urologists could not find a cause. Then a holistic doctor realized it was systemic (all my mucous membranes were inflamed) and that blood in the urine was just a symptom of a widespread problem.
Anyway, long story short, I had the metal-mercury fillings replaced and in no time the blood in the urine went from obvious to occult, disappearing completely after a few years. I also experienced more energy than I knew how to cope with, resulting in a long battle with anxiety that still continues.
I spent the year following the dental replacement work in and out of VA hospitals trying to deal with the new-found energy and anxiety.
As a side note: certain people react to the mercury fillings more readily. The saliva of type "A" individuals, and "pitta" types in aryuvedic medicine, reacts more with the fillings. Higher strung types seem to have more problems with mercury.
I was skeptical throughout the procedure. I was deeply depressed and didn't expect anything. After my fourth and last visit (over about 2 weeks), I nearly floated out of the dentist's chair. I had never felt so light. My head was so clear, and perception so lucid, it was scary.
I took notes at the time (have to dig for them now) of all the immediate improvements in my health - increased anxiety being the only downside. The changes were real - and lasting.
However, I didn't help the situation by turning to alcohol for relief from the anxiety. At first I felt like climbing mountains, yet instead, dove into an alcoholic tailspin, with cycles of benzo use and abuse that lasted for several years.
I think Huggins wrote a book on mercury amalgam filling replacement. I haven't kept up on the topic since those days are happily behind me.
Verne
Posted by Declan on September 22, 2005, at 2:35:19
In reply to Candida and mercury » verne, posted by Declan on September 21, 2005, at 14:35:20
My holistic dr recommended I have all my amalgam fillings replaced. Maybe I should. I bet I have or had leaky gut syndrome. No mercury in the mouths of my children at any rate.
Declan
Posted by spriggy on September 22, 2005, at 17:22:14
In reply to Re: Candida and mercury, posted by Declan on September 22, 2005, at 2:35:19
My oldest son is autistic and we had him tested and he had HIGh levels of mercury.
I am RH negative and had to have that Rhogam shot while pregnant (that is LOADED with mercury). I also have one dental amalgam.
I wonder if that's the connection??? I have a chronic problem with yeast, now high Epstein Barr titers, and they are saying Lupus as well (autoimmune).
How do you get your mercury amalgams replaced?? I only have one but would love to have it removed.
We had our son go through Chelation treatment (DMSA) for mercury- it helped him IMMENSELY.
Do you think it would help me?
And about grapefruit seed extract, where can I find that?
sorry for all the questions, I am just feeling really, really, really crummy and would do just about anything to feel better.
Thanks.
Posted by verne on September 22, 2005, at 18:57:46
In reply to wow verne... about mercury, posted by spriggy on September 22, 2005, at 17:22:14
One good book on mercury amalgam fillings is "It's All In Your Head" by Hal Huggins.
Look for a holistic or liberal dentist to do the filling replacement. I think I read somewhere that chelation therapy is the only way to rid the body of accumulated mercury.
Read up on chemical sensitivities and candida. Avoid things like paint, newspaper ink, perfume, household cleaning products, new carpet, stuff like new shower curtains right out of the package and anything that outgasses chemicals. If your eyes burn immediately upon exposure that's a good sign you are sensitive.
Minimizing exposure to chemicals and allergens is good but you need to go after the source. Most allergies and chemical senstivity start in the gut. The goal is to kill the candida and return the gut back to a healthy condition.
It's like a battle on two fronts. To complicate things, when you kill off a lot of candida, you may feel worse at first. I think it's called "die off" syndrome or something like that. In my case, I felt agitated and couldn't think straight.
It's been so long since I've discussed this topic, I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot. There's tons of literature and websites about candida. Follow the diet. Avoid food like bread, of course, and anything with yeast in it. Sugar is also out. Basically, the anti-candida diet is a healthy one that avoids processed foods and sugar.
I noticed the most improvement with the dental filling replacement and grapefruit seed extract. I think I had a few sessions of chelation therapy right after each dental appointment. It involved an IV drip for a few hours and I felt great later but I'm not sure what they called it.
I get my grapefruit seed extract at the following places:
http://www.internatural.com/ingr/ingr268105.cfm
http://www.iherb.com/grapefruit.html
Since your digestion may be compromised, you may want to avoid tablets and get capsules instead. The hard tablets may go right through you.
Don't give up hope. This may be the start of an adventure for you.
Verne
Posted by JLx on September 22, 2005, at 20:16:49
In reply to wow verne... about mercury, posted by spriggy on September 22, 2005, at 17:22:14
> I am RH negative and had to have that Rhogam shot while pregnant (that is LOADED with mercury). I also have one dental amalgam.Hmm...I didn't know that was loaded with mercury. I had mine over 30 years ago. I wonder if it was worse or better back then?
> sorry for all the questions, I am just feeling really, really, really crummy and would do just about anything to feel better.
>
> Thanks.Do you already take selenium? If not, definitely do. Selenium binds mercury so that it can't do harm. 200 mcg per day. It does work!
See Larry's comments in this thread: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031023/msgs/272263.html
This was just fascinating:
"Just this week, I read an article that investigated the health of a particular Inuit community in Canada. The population has adopted many of Western society's worst behaviours, including smoking, alcohol abuse, junk food, sedentary behaviour, and so on. At the same time, this population was exposed to a huge toxin burden, because they are at the top of the Arctic food chain. Similar populations had huge problems with coronary heart disease, and mercury toxicity from natural foods. They wanted to find out how bad this particular population was doing. Surprise! Surprise! No evidence of coronary heart disease. Low blood cholesterol. Low triglycerides. Better than the average for all Canadians, in fact. They said to themselves "We've got to figure out why!" And, they did. The answer was muktuk, beluga whale skin, a local delicacy. It contains huge amounts of selenium. When people from this group were hospitalized, they quickly developed all the signs of mercury toxicity. The reason is that the half-life of mercury in the blood is three months, whereas the half-life of selenium is one day. By day three, the mercury began to do its dirty work. The treatment? They had some muktuk shipped to the hospital, and the mercury poisoning immediately reversed itself."
I have read that chlorella and cilantro can remove it from the body, but am not sure of how solid that is.
Also, if you aren't already taking magnesium, you might want to try that too. It helps many people feel better. See other current threads on that.
JL
Posted by spriggy on September 22, 2005, at 22:19:25
In reply to Re: Selenium to bind mercury » spriggy, posted by JLx on September 22, 2005, at 20:16:49
I have a lot of reading to do!
I appreciate all the input.
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