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Posted by Chairman_MAO on September 2, 2005, at 20:23:36
In reply to Re: Most Effective Parnate Dosage for Social Phobi, posted by johnb11 on August 31, 2005, at 10:20:01
There is a drug called gastrodin, contained in the tuber gastrodia elata et blume used in chinese medicine, which is a GABA-T inhibitor with nootropic, anticonvulsant, anti-ischemic, and I think antioxidant properties. I have a feeling in sufficient dosages it would augment Parnate in SP to provide a Nardil-like GABAnergic effect.
Posted by Declan on September 2, 2005, at 20:23:36
In reply to Re: Most Effective Parnate Dosage for Social Phobi » johnb11, posted by Chairman_MAO on August 31, 2005, at 16:45:59
This is all very interesting CM, where do you get stuff like that?
The frustrating thing about TCM herbalists is the language barrier and chinese names.
What we need is someone from here to become a herbalist specialising in depression and social phobia.
There's a bit of an opening there.
Declan
Posted by Chairman_MAO on September 2, 2005, at 20:24:29
In reply to Re: Most Effective Parnate Dosage for Social Phobi » Chairman_MAO, posted by Declan on August 31, 2005, at 17:34:19
Well, I got it through the supplement/nutraceuticals company that I do freelance consulting for. We are working on an anxiolytic product that, when we are finally done with this, will probably rival a low dose of a benzodiazepine. The gastrodin monomer is rather expensive as far as those things go, so we will probably not be using it. However, look on the web (froogle.google.com) for "gastrodia compound granule" or something like that; that is what is traditionally used in TCM and I believe has a sort of sustained-release effect.
Also, there is a chinese company which makes something called "acetagastrodin" (I believe it is really acetylgastrodin) which is 2x as potent as gastrodin. In china (and many countries around the world), gastrodin is an actual drug; you can get it in tabs and ampoules for injection(!).
Posted by willyee on September 2, 2005, at 20:24:29
In reply to Re: Most Effective Parnate Dosage for Social Phobi » Declan, posted by Chairman_MAO on September 1, 2005, at 11:22:21
I used the key word gastrodin on froogle and came up with a single web company selling the product,would this be it?
Also u said its a gaba herb?
Posted by Declan on September 3, 2005, at 4:13:43
In reply to Re: Most Effective Parnate Dosage for Social Phobi ?johnb11, posted by Chairman_MAO on August 31, 2005, at 16:45:59
Hey CM
Since you are interested in this kind of stuff I will type out what's in the sedative formula that will, no doubt help me sleep tonight
Zizyphus Spinosa Seed 102mg
Gastrodia Elata Root 68mg
Corydalis Turtschaninovii Rhizome 85mg
Paeony Lactiflora Root 51mg
Polygonum Multiflorum Vine 102mg
Albiziae Julibrissin Bark 102mg
Hordeum Vulgare Barley Sprout 58mg
Gardenia Florida Fruit 34mg
Schizandra Chinensis Fruit 68mg
Ligusticum Wallichii Root 34mg
Poria Cocus Root 34mg
Polygala Sibirica Root 34mg
Chrysanthemum Sinensis Flower 51mg
Glycyrrhiza Uralensis Root 17mg
in each pill, they say take 8, I'll try maybe 30. Better than benzos, probably, and way better than Seroquel of course. 200 pills for A$8 or so.All the best
Declan
Posted by Tom Twilight on September 3, 2005, at 15:49:44
In reply to Re: Most Effective Parnate Dosage for Social Phobi, posted by willyee on September 2, 2005, at 6:56:23
Gastrodin sounds really interesting
If only it were easier to get hold of!I've found the raw tuber for sale online, but no kind of proccessed version, *sigh*
Posted by Declan on September 13, 2005, at 3:25:35
In reply to Re: Most Effective Parnate Dosage for Social Phobi, posted by Declan on September 2, 2005, at 21:43:49
So OK, in each one of these herb pills there is 68mg Gastrodia.
I had 30 today. That's 2g.
Clearly not enough.
Chairman MAO, how much should I use?
Declan
Posted by Chairman_MAO on September 16, 2005, at 9:49:48
In reply to CHAIRMAN MAO, HELP US WITH SOCIAL PRACTICE, posted by Declan on September 13, 2005, at 3:25:35
Clinical dosages of gastrodin are around 750-1g daily in divided doses. It is very non-toxic, so use what works for you.
There are companies that sell pure gastrodin, both in europe and china. Also, you can order "gastrodia compound granule" from various TCM mfg's; that should work.
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