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Posted by anony on September 7, 2004, at 21:25:49
Hi.
I'm taking Fish Oil for depression.
I've been taking 3 capsules 2x a day for more than one month, and it really helps!I wonder if I can increase the dosage to see if it helps more. However, I'm worried about adverse effects that may result from high dos.
Also, I read that Seal Oil is much better than Fish Oil since it contains somethingi that Fish Oil doesn't have. I also read that Eskimos actually don't eat that much fish but eat lots of seal and other sea animals (whales and stuff).
Here is the link:
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 7, 2004, at 22:41:20
In reply to Dosage of Fish Oil Seal Oil question, posted by anony on September 7, 2004, at 21:25:49
> Hi.
>
> I'm taking Fish Oil for depression.
> I've been taking 3 capsules 2x a day for more than one month, and it really helps!
>
> I wonder if I can increase the dosage to see if it helps more.You can increase it to whatever amount you desire, or tolerate, as the case may be.
> However, I'm worried about adverse effects that may result from high dos.
If you're worried about bleeding, don't be. There is no evidence that fish oil will disrupt clotting time in healthy people. If you're taking a blood-thinning drug, however, medical advice is indicated.
The natural Inuit diet in Greenland supplies about 24 grams of omega-3 fatty acids a day. That's the equivalent of 80 grams of fish oil.
The only thing about increasing polyunsaturated fatty acid intake is that you increase your requirement for antioxidants. Vitamin E at about 400 IU per 5 grams fish oil, at a minimum. Also, alphalipoic acid would be a good idea (100-200 mg/day).
> Also, I read that Seal Oil is much better than Fish Oil since it contains somethingi that Fish Oil doesn't have.
Sounds more like a proportion difference, being richer in DHA than e.g. fish oils.
> I also read that Eskimos actually don't eat that much fish but eat lots of seal and other sea animals (whales and stuff).
Yes, that's correct, in Greenland at least. One of the most prized foods in the Canadian Inuit diet is muktuk (spelled a variety of ways), which is fresh whale skin, from the beluga whale. It has the highest selenium content of any food ever assessed. There is much we might learn from the Inuit.
> Here is the link:
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> http://www.omegagold.com/If the cost is not unreasonable, I see no reason not to try it. A mammalian oil is bound to be closer in structure to that used in our own bodies. An alternative is krill oil (from tiny shrimp-like creatures), which despite its copepod source, also has some very special properties. It is naturally very high in antioxidants, along with the omega-3, and has phospholipids as a bonus.
Lar
Posted by tealady on September 9, 2004, at 6:50:36
In reply to Dosage of Fish Oil Seal Oil question, posted by anony on September 7, 2004, at 21:25:49
> Hi.
>
> I'm taking Fish Oil for depression.
> I've been taking 3 capsules 2x a day for more than one month, and it really helps!
>
> I wonder if I can increase the dosage to see if it helps more. However, I'm worried about adverse effects that may result from high dos.
>
>
Not sure if you want my opinion but I feel moderation..like the amount you are currently taking is the best. As far as I'm aware high dosage long term effects are not known..
Take the Inuit..what is their life expectancy?? OK the short life expectancy would be due to other factors...but that's the point I'm trying to make...noone really knows ..Tooooo may factors.
Also one needs to take into account the genetic/environmental differences when considering diets..it IS relevant.
I've kinda recall reading..don't remember where ,where different supps/diets effect people from different racial/genetic backgrounds differently..so quoting what happens in one "race" is may not be relevant to another.Also have a think about the climate differences between where you live and where the Inuit live.
Perhaps just aim for bringing the omega3/omega6 ratio in one's diet back to pre 1900 (or more natural for human) levels?
Now I've no idea just how many capsules this would be according to one's weight etc, but if ya feel good on the level you are supplementing at..I'd be staying there.
Also you might consider green veges as well as a source of omega3 ..maybe?
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 9, 2004, at 11:29:15
In reply to Dosage of Fish Oil Seal Oil question, posted by anony on September 7, 2004, at 21:25:49
> Also, I read that Seal Oil is much better than Fish Oil since it contains somethingi that Fish Oil doesn't have. I also read that Eskimos actually don't eat that much fish but eat lots of seal and other sea animals (whales and stuff).
>
> Here is the link:
>
> http://www.omegagold.com/Oh, one critical detail eluded my brain when I first replied....seals are way up the food chain, and biomagnification of pollutants is a significant issue. If fish oil is somewhat tainted, seals who eat fishes are going to be more significantly tainted. You should try to eat as low down the food chain as you can, while still getting the nutrients.
Lar
Posted by tealady on September 11, 2004, at 8:03:49
In reply to Re: Dosage of Fish Oil Seal Oil question » anony, posted by tealady on September 9, 2004, at 6:50:36
TJ..This may partly explain my thoughts of fish oil dosage and munching on greens and leafy salad veges.
http://www.uow.edu.au/science/biol/ol/thr/
click on videoalso he is going to be on catalyst in couple of weeks..may be interesting.
Catalyst is one of our science TV shows
Comments ALL? Does this have some vague similarity to anything.... any policy implementation perhaps?
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1195656.htm
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 11, 2004, at 13:13:57
In reply to Dosage of Fish Oil ..video, comments?, posted by tealady on September 11, 2004, at 8:03:49
> TJ..This may partly explain my thoughts of fish oil dosage and munching on greens and leafy salad veges.
>
> http://www.uow.edu.au/science/biol/ol/thr/
> click on videoAlthough I don't agree that the sodium pump experiment necessarily verified his hypothesis (it could be a temperature effect, or interaction with other cations), the basic tenet of the piece is in accord with what some call the Paleo Diet. In other words, we evolved on a diet very different than out agricultural diet provides. You'd have to take in a half cup a day of omega-3 fatty acids to offset the omega-6 intake of the typical person (much of which is hidden in grain products, meat, or processed foods).
> also he is going to be on catalyst in couple of weeks..may be interesting.
> Catalyst is one of our science TV shows
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> Comments ALL? Does this have some vague similarity to anything.... any policy implementation perhaps?
> http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1195656.htmI didn't find anything similar at this link, so I don't know for sure I saw what you wanted seen.
Lar
Posted by SFY on September 11, 2004, at 17:19:57
In reply to Dosage of Fish Oil Seal Oil question, posted by anony on September 7, 2004, at 21:25:49
> Hi.
>
> I'm taking Fish Oil for depression.
> I've been taking 3 capsules 2x a day for more than one month, and it really helps!
>
> I wonder if I can increase the dosage to see if it helps more. However, I'm worried about adverse effects that may result from high dos.Take a look at this double-blind study of EPA efficacy in treating depression:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=12365878&dopt=AbstractIt shows that 1 gram per day of EPA was more effective than either 2 grams or 4 grams per day. Since a standard fish oil capsule contains 180 mg of EPA then 6 capsules a day would give you the recommended dosage (6 x 180 = 1080 mg = 1.08 grams).
Posted by anony on September 11, 2004, at 19:35:09
In reply to Re: Dosage of Fish Oil Seal Oil question ?anony, posted by SFY on September 11, 2004, at 17:19:57
The Fish oil I'm taking is 400:200 EPA:DHA.
Then, I think I should take only 3 capsules/day, and see how it goes.I used to take 6/day.
I felt a little lessened anti-depression effect after starting this 400:200 product. Maybe this is the case for me.
> > Hi.
> >
> > I'm taking Fish Oil for depression.
> > I've been taking 3 capsules 2x a day for more than one month, and it really helps!
> >
> > I wonder if I can increase the dosage to see if it helps more. However, I'm worried about adverse effects that may result from high dos.
>
> Take a look at this double-blind study of EPA efficacy in treating depression:
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=12365878&dopt=Abstract
>
> It shows that 1 gram per day of EPA was more effective than either 2 grams or 4 grams per day. Since a standard fish oil capsule contains 180 mg of EPA then 6 capsules a day would give you the recommended dosage (6 x 180 = 1080 mg = 1.08 grams).
>
>
Posted by tealady on September 11, 2004, at 19:46:50
In reply to Re: Dosage of Fish Oil Seal Oil question » anony, posted by SFY on September 11, 2004, at 17:19:57
Thanks SFY, goes to show that more is not necessarily better.
That dosage is the same one that anony found worked for him!
Pity there isn't any studies that tried say half that amount as well, to find out it it was still effective. But I think it's really a case of if you feel good at a certain level , then that is probably what is, at present anyway, best for you.Also you don't necessarily need to swallow oil (in fish oil caps, DHA caps, even flaxseed) to get your total supply supply of omega3..,and I'd guess that green veges, omega3 rich eggs (where chickens are free range and eat grass etc), omega3 rich beef (cattle fed on grass not grains)even fish itself is probably a preferable way of obtaining at least part of our omega3 needs. Unfortunately dietary is hard to find in most places as cattle etc are no longer walked to market, and are fattened in feeding lots with grain etc.
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