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Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 22:53:37
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » KaraS, posted by chemist on August 17, 2004, at 22:07:05
> hello there, kara....i couldn't resist, although larry will have the final word on this one. i am hesitant of any claim that includes the phrase ``theanine is an amino acid,'' as it is actually a derivative of the amino acid L-glutamine, and is not an essential amino acid. aside from what i have read about the antioxidant-heavy green tea - and the potential use of theanine for certain cancers, if memory serves, but i wouldn't take my word for it, as i might be confusing this one with something else! - i am not aware of the magical powers exalted by the claimant. however, my predisposition to ding a post because of a slight error in identifying a compound should be taken into account, and again, ask larry: he'll know! i can safely say that, with a bit of sugar and some soy milk, green tea has, in my experience, been an enjoyable beverage, especially when washing down my xanax, luvox, and dexedrine.....all the best to you, chemist
>
>Hey Chemist! So glad you're back and that you've answered my post!
Now back to the post: I thought that l-theanine was considered an amino acid, just not one of the essential ones. Also, I think her wording was a little clumsy but that she was trying to say that she didn't think that the theanine was the responsible agent. If I understood her correctly, she said that she reacted badly in the past to l-theanine and that she was getting benefit from the green tea extract despite the theanine. Still don't buy it?
I truly hate the taste of green tea. If I depended on it to wash down my meds or supplements, I'd be in pretty bad shape. Hmmm, wonder if it could get any worse than it already is...
Oh well, it will be interesting to see what Hooverman thinks.
Kara
> > I copied part of this post from another site to get people's reactions to it:
> >
> >
> > "... I think I've discovered something! I read on a site somewhere that green tea contains something called "catechins". As well as being antioxidant, they stop noradreneline (the neurotransmitter responsible for energy and alertness) from being broken down. Here's a good link that explains the "science bit": http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000018A.htm
> >
> > "So I thought I'd try it. And the result is, I stopped taking SJW 10 days ago, and I feel FINE! I started out drinking 2-3 cups a day, and felt OK. Then yesterday I started on some caffeine-free standardised extract, and got a real boost from that. The effect for me is softer and more mellow than SJW. I feel alert, but also relaxed. (I thought I would try a supplement because it might contain less theanine, as well as less caffeine. Theanine is an amino acid found in green tea that is supposed to be calming, but when I tried it as a supplement a few weeks ago I felt terrible - tense and withdrawn. Though the tea doesn't make me feel like that, I thought that any theanine in it might be making it less effective)."
> >
> > Anyway, I followed this person's subsequent posts and with a few additional weeks, she is still feeling great and attributing it to the green tea catechins. Could something like green tea possibly have that much effect or do you think it's in large part the placebo thing?
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> > -K
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Posted by chemist on August 18, 2004, at 5:51:40
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » chemist, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 22:53:37
> > hello there, kara....i couldn't resist, although larry will have the final word on this one. i am hesitant of any claim that includes the phrase ``theanine is an amino acid,'' as it is actually a derivative of the amino acid L-glutamine, and is not an essential amino acid. aside from what i have read about the antioxidant-heavy green tea - and the potential use of theanine for certain cancers, if memory serves, but i wouldn't take my word for it, as i might be confusing this one with something else! - i am not aware of the magical powers exalted by the claimant. however, my predisposition to ding a post because of a slight error in identifying a compound should be taken into account, and again, ask larry: he'll know! i can safely say that, with a bit of sugar and some soy milk, green tea has, in my experience, been an enjoyable beverage, especially when washing down my xanax, luvox, and dexedrine.....all the best to you, chemist
> >
> >
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> Hey Chemist! So glad you're back and that you've answered my post!
>**** hi again.....yup, it is an amino acid, and not an essential one, just one of the many derivatives of aminos available.....and i was puzzled given the ``word salad,'' but again, i am only aware of the anti-oxidant properties, and only a cursory knowledge at that. seems strange to be so powerful even upon elimination of L-theanine and caffeine, but as you note, we'll have to wait for larry's take on all this.....all the best, chemist *****
> Now back to the post: I thought that l-theanine was considered an amino acid, just not one of the essential ones. Also, I think her wording was a little clumsy but that she was trying to say that she didn't think that the theanine was the responsible agent. If I understood her correctly, she said that she reacted badly in the past to l-theanine and that she was getting benefit from the green tea extract despite the theanine. Still don't buy it?
>
> I truly hate the taste of green tea. If I depended on it to wash down my meds or supplements, I'd be in pretty bad shape. Hmmm, wonder if it could get any worse than it already is...
>
> Oh well, it will be interesting to see what Hooverman thinks.
>
> Kara
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> > > I copied part of this post from another site to get people's reactions to it:
> > >
> > >
> > > "... I think I've discovered something! I read on a site somewhere that green tea contains something called "catechins". As well as being antioxidant, they stop noradreneline (the neurotransmitter responsible for energy and alertness) from being broken down. Here's a good link that explains the "science bit": http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000018A.htm
> > >
> > > "So I thought I'd try it. And the result is, I stopped taking SJW 10 days ago, and I feel FINE! I started out drinking 2-3 cups a day, and felt OK. Then yesterday I started on some caffeine-free standardised extract, and got a real boost from that. The effect for me is softer and more mellow than SJW. I feel alert, but also relaxed. (I thought I would try a supplement because it might contain less theanine, as well as less caffeine. Theanine is an amino acid found in green tea that is supposed to be calming, but when I tried it as a supplement a few weeks ago I felt terrible - tense and withdrawn. Though the tea doesn't make me feel like that, I thought that any theanine in it might be making it less effective)."
> > >
> > > Anyway, I followed this person's subsequent posts and with a few additional weeks, she is still feeling great and attributing it to the green tea catechins. Could something like green tea possibly have that much effect or do you think it's in large part the placebo thing?
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> > > -K
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Posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:53:37
In reply to Green tea catechins and noradrenaline, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 20:43:17
> I copied part of this post from another site to get people's reactions to it:
>
>
> "... I think I've discovered something! I read on a site somewhere that green tea contains something called "catechins". As well as being antioxidant, they stop noradreneline (the neurotransmitter responsible for energy and alertness) from being broken down. Here's a good link that explains the "science bit": http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000018A.htmYa, that's a nice overview of the chemistry. COMT inhibition increases noradrenaline.
> Anyway, I followed this person's subsequent posts and with a few additional weeks, she is still feeling great and attributing it to the green tea catechins. Could something like green tea possibly have that much effect or do you think it's in large part the placebo thing?
>
> -KYa, it can have a dramatic effect, particularly as neuronal noradrenaline is spilling into the general circulation. Why invoke the evil placebo? What works works. Further evidence of adrenal involvement in your own syndrome, by the by.
Lar
Posted by chemist on August 19, 2004, at 11:13:34
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:53:37
larry, thanks for clarifying/setting the record straight (i speak for myself).....many thanks, chemist
Posted by Franz on August 19, 2004, at 15:00:32
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » KaraS, posted by chemist on August 17, 2004, at 22:07:05
> i can safely say that, with a bit of sugar and some soy milk, green tea has, in my experience, been an enjoyable beverage, especially when washing down my xanax, luvox, and dexedrine.
Chemist, do you mean that this combo helps clean your system from the drugs?.Thanks
Posted by chemist on August 19, 2004, at 15:17:57
In reply to green tea washing down xanax? » chemist, posted by Franz on August 19, 2004, at 15:00:32
> > i can safely say that, with a bit of sugar and some soy milk, green tea has, in my experience, been an enjoyable beverage, especially when washing down my xanax, luvox, and dexedrine.
>
>
> Chemist, do you mean that this combo helps clean your system from the drugs?.
>
> Thankshello franz, chemist here...i apologize to you and others for my tongue-in-cheek reply: i do enjoy green tea, purely from the standpoint of i like the way it tastes. my comments concerning the drugs luvox, dexedrine, and xanax were simply that i do not personally feel that green tea enhances or diminishes my mood/feelings in the way that the prescription medications do. i did not mean to imply that green tea is any better or worse than any other substance in re: cleaning out one's system, and apologize again for the inference. now, on to your question: i have in the past tapered up and down numerous drugs, and found that xanax was indeed the hardest to let go, and in all cases, i reduced dose over time. if you are concerned with the persistence of alprazolam and/or metabolites in your system, do post again, as i can dig up some numbers for half-lives, etc. should you wish. all the best, chemist
Posted by Franz on August 19, 2004, at 15:52:26
In reply to Re: green tea washing down xanax? » Franz, posted by chemist on August 19, 2004, at 15:17:57
Thanks Chemist.
I thought the gren tea+soy combo speeds up the elimination of benzo.
I take a small dose Klonopin (= or less than 0.025 at bedtime) and would like to know if in the morning I drink tea it will accelerate the benzo metabolism (sorry for the imprecise language). I understand Klon has a long half life.
Also, do benzos modify neurotransmitter levels or just receptor binding?. I read some have an effect on 5HT.
Thanks
Posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 16:12:32
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:53:37
> > I copied part of this post from another site to get people's reactions to it:
> >
> >
> > "... I think I've discovered something! I read on a site somewhere that green tea contains something called "catechins". As well as being antioxidant, they stop noradreneline (the neurotransmitter responsible for energy and alertness) from being broken down. Here's a good link that explains the "science bit": http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000018A.htm
>
> Ya, that's a nice overview of the chemistry. COMT inhibition increases noradrenaline.
>
> > Anyway, I followed this person's subsequent posts and with a few additional weeks, she is still feeling great and attributing it to the green tea catechins. Could something like green tea possibly have that much effect or do you think it's in large part the placebo thing?
> >
> > -K
>
> Ya, it can have a dramatic effect, particularly as neuronal noradrenaline is spilling into the general circulation. Why invoke the evil placebo? What works works. Further evidence of adrenal involvement in your own syndrome, by the by.
>
> Lar
>I invoked the "evil placebo" because I was doing research on the net and couldn't find anything to say that the catechins could raise the NE levels anywhere in the body. Other than the article the original poster sited which was trying to sell the stuff, I found no mention of this COMT function. All I kept seeing was talk about its antioxidant effects.
If it's this easy to boost NE, then why don't more people use it or know about it? Might this aspect of it be good for me now?
I'm not sure I understand why stimulants are bad for someone with adrenal fatigue but taking tyrosine or phenylalanine aren't ... or why artificially boosting NE isn't bad for me now.
P.S. I don't understand your last sentence at all.-K
Posted by chemist on August 19, 2004, at 16:34:15
In reply to Re: green tea washing down xanax? » chemist, posted by Franz on August 19, 2004, at 15:52:26
hi franz...i do not know about the specifics in re: green tea/soy reducing elimination of benzodiazepines...i do hope larry or kara chimes in on this aspect. as for your other concerns, you should be fine: you are taking a low dose of klonopin in the evening, and the long half-life means that it will stick around longer, hence your morning tea will not interact. if you were to take your dose with a cup or two of tea/coffee, i would suspect that the usual elimination via urine would be enhanced, but not markedly. finally, the benzo derivatives alprazolam and adinazolam have been shown to have some anti-depressant effects. i am unaware of these effects from the 1,4-substituted benzos, such as klonopin. for the triazolobenzos, the literature i am familiar with points to 5-HT release being increased relative to the 1,4-benzos, and additional involvement of norepinephrine release being suppressed, as well as GABAnergic activity. it would seem that direct agonism/antagonism of receptors is at play. i take alprazolam and care for it most relative to benzos, but this is largely because it has been of great use to me for quelling panic attacks: i am not acutely aware of the AD effects, and i do take an antidepressant and dexedrine, so it is likely that the feel-good aspect of alprazolam is overshadowed from the other meds....i hope i have addressed your questions, and do encourage you to post for larry/kara in regards the scoop on green tea/soy + benzo clearance...all the best, chemist
> Thanks Chemist.
>
> I thought the gren tea+soy combo speeds up the elimination of benzo.
>
> I take a small dose Klonopin (= or less than 0.025 at bedtime) and would like to know if in the morning I drink tea it will accelerate the benzo metabolism (sorry for the imprecise language). I understand Klon has a long half life.
>
> Also, do benzos modify neurotransmitter levels or just receptor binding?. I read some have an effect on 5HT.
>
> Thanks
Posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 18:26:24
In reply to Re: green tea washing down xanax? » Franz, posted by chemist on August 19, 2004, at 15:17:57
> > > i can safely say that, with a bit of sugar and some soy milk, green tea has, in my experience, been an enjoyable beverage, especially when washing down my xanax, luvox, and dexedrine.
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i do not personally feel that green tea enhances or diminishes my mood/feelings in the way that the prescription medications do.
But are you basing this on a cup or two of green tea or on taking a much stronger/concentrated extract supplement? I'm just wondering if you have tried the latter. I'm a bit skeptical myself but I think I'm going to give it a try.
Posted by chemist on August 19, 2004, at 18:39:52
In reply to Re: green tea washing down xanax? » chemist, posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 18:26:24
> > > > i can safely say that, with a bit of sugar and some soy milk, green tea has, in my experience, been an enjoyable beverage, especially when washing down my xanax, luvox, and dexedrine.
>
> ...
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> i do not personally feel that green tea enhances or diminishes my mood/feelings in the way that the prescription medications do.
>
> But are you basing this on a cup or two of green tea or on taking a much stronger/concentrated extract supplement? I'm just wondering if you have tried the latter. I'm a bit skeptical myself but I think I'm going to give it a try.
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hi kara, it's only the occasional cup or two. i lean towards coffee in general, and i don't take anything other than my meds, vitamin E, vitamin C, a B-complex, and a fish oil omega-3 blend, so i'm pretty ``clean'' from that standpoint.....do let me know if the concentrate or lots of green tea makes a difference, as i am all for reducing the number of prescription medications in lieu of a cheaper and equally effective (if not more so) alternative....all the best, chemist
Posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 18:46:58
In reply to Re: green tea washing down xanax? » chemist, posted by Franz on August 19, 2004, at 15:52:26
> Thanks Chemist.
>
> I thought the gren tea+soy combo speeds up the elimination of benzo.
>
> I take a small dose Klonopin (= or less than 0.025 at bedtime) and would like to know if in the morning I drink tea it will accelerate the benzo metabolism (sorry for the imprecise language). I understand Klon has a long half life.
>
> Also, do benzos modify neurotransmitter levels or just receptor binding?. I read some have an effect on 5HT.
>
> ThanksFranz,
I've personally never heard of green tea + soy combo speeding up the elimination of a benzo but I'm just in the process of learning about other actions of green tea. The Hooverman might know.
-K
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 20, 2004, at 8:36:24
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 16:12:32
> > > I copied part of this post from another site to get people's reactions to it:
> > >
> > >
> > > "... I think I've discovered something! I read on a site somewhere that green tea contains something called "catechins". As well as being antioxidant, they stop noradreneline (the neurotransmitter responsible for energy and alertness) from being broken down. Here's a good link that explains the "science bit": http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000018A.htm
> >
> > Ya, that's a nice overview of the chemistry. COMT inhibition increases noradrenaline.OK, the risk of just answering off the top of my head shows itself, here. I made lots of assumptions. COMT inhibition increase other chemicals, too. Dopamine, adrenaline, certain estrogen metabolites, and so on. There is a whole host of new ideas coming up on Pubmed.
> > > Anyway, I followed this person's subsequent posts and with a few additional weeks, she is still feeling great and attributing it to the green tea catechins. Could something like green tea possibly have that much effect or do you think it's in large part the placebo thing?
> > >
> > > -K
> >
> > Ya, it can have a dramatic effect, particularly as neuronal noradrenaline is spilling into the general circulation. Why invoke the evil placebo? What works works. Further evidence of adrenal involvement in your own syndrome, by the by.
> >
> > Lar
> >
>
> I invoked the "evil placebo" because I was doing research on the net and couldn't find anything to say that the catechins could raise the NE levels anywhere in the body.There's a ton of stuff confirming that, on Pubmed. Don't be afraid to poke around there. You'll understand more than you think you do. And each time, you'll understand more than the last time.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
Just enter catechin and COMT in the search bar. If a particular paper seems to lead you somewhere interesting, hit the "Related articles" button, off to the right. As often as not, you'll follow a thread more specific to what you're looking for.
> Other than the article the original poster sited which was trying to sell the stuff, I found no mention of this COMT function.
I dunno. I did OK on google. I'd guess my keyword searching is tighter than yours. I used the specific catechin (ECGC) and COMT as search terms. Literally "ECGC COMT", without the quotes, in the google search bar. Those are unusual text strings, and you don't get a lot of "noise" hits, while getting ones which are specific to COMT.
> All I kept seeing was talk about its antioxidant effects.
See above.
> If it's this easy to boost NE, then why don't more people use it or know about it? Might this aspect of it be good for me now?
It's a rather recent finding. And it isn't specific to NE. Certainly, if you're deficient in systemic NE, due to adrenal insufficiency, then green tea catechins are going to give a boost because they have the effect similar to increased adrenal output.
> I'm not sure I understand why stimulants are bad for someone with adrenal fatigue but taking tyrosine or phenylalanine aren't ... or why artificially boosting NE isn't bad for me now.Stimulants are pretty much immune to the natural regulatory processes of feedback inhibition. Supplying extra raw materials doesn't change your body's regulatory ability, it just gives you something to regulate.
> P.S. I don't understand your last sentence at all.
>
> -KTwo paragraphs up, I give my opinion on that. Based on a number of assumptions, if central (central nervous system) NE spills out into peripheral circulation, due to the effects of the green tea catechins on COMT (inhibition), then it has the effect of mimicking adrenal output. Peripheral COMT inhibition would further extend that artificial NE "signal", by increasing the peripheral half-life, too.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 3:19:05
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 20, 2004, at 8:36:24
> > > > I copied part of this post from another site to get people's reactions to it:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "... I think I've discovered something! I read on a site somewhere that green tea contains something called "catechins". As well as being antioxidant, they stop noradreneline (the neurotransmitter responsible for energy and alertness) from being broken down. Here's a good link that explains the "science bit": http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000018A.htm
> > >
> > > Ya, that's a nice overview of the chemistry. COMT inhibition increases noradrenaline.
>
> OK, the risk of just answering off the top of my head shows itself, here. I made lots of assumptions. COMT inhibition increase other chemicals, too. Dopamine, adrenaline, certain estrogen metabolites, and so on. There is a whole host of new ideas coming up on Pubmed.
>
> > > > Anyway, I followed this person's subsequent posts and with a few additional weeks, she is still feeling great and attributing it to the green tea catechins. Could something like green tea possibly have that much effect or do you think it's in large part the placebo thing?
> > > >
> > > > -K
> > >
> > > Ya, it can have a dramatic effect, particularly as neuronal noradrenaline is spilling into the general circulation. Why invoke the evil placebo? What works works. Further evidence of adrenal involvement in your own syndrome, by the by.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> >
> > I invoked the "evil placebo" because I was doing research on the net and couldn't find anything to say that the catechins could raise the NE levels anywhere in the body.
>
> There's a ton of stuff confirming that, on Pubmed. Don't be afraid to poke around there. You'll understand more than you think you do. And each time, you'll understand more than the last time.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
I have been on PubMed. I just never think to go there for alternative stuff. Actually, I never think to go there first for other stuff either - or at least I haven't in a while. I think I'll change that now that I see how much more info you got that way on the green tea.>
> Just enter catechin and COMT in the search bar. If a particular paper seems to lead you somewhere interesting, hit the "Related articles" button, off to the right. As often as not, you'll follow a thread more specific to what you're looking for.
>
> > Other than the article the original poster sited which was trying to sell the stuff, I found no mention of this COMT function.
>
> I dunno. I did OK on google. I'd guess my keyword searching is tighter than yours. I used the specific catechin (ECGC) and COMT as search terms. Literally "ECGC COMT", without the quotes, in the google search bar. Those are unusual text strings, and you don't get a lot of "noise" hits, while getting ones which are specific to COMT.I definitely should have added "COMT" or something more definitive to the search like you did.
> > All I kept seeing was talk about its antioxidant effects.
>
> See above.
>
> > If it's this easy to boost NE, then why don't more people use it or know about it? Might this aspect of it be good for me now?
>
> It's a rather recent finding. And it isn't specific to NE. Certainly, if you're deficient in systemic NE, due to adrenal insufficiency, then green tea catechins are going to give a boost because they have the effect similar to increased adrenal output.I'm still amazed at how little press and hype it's getting a far.
> > I'm not sure I understand why stimulants are bad for someone with adrenal fatigue but taking tyrosine or phenylalanine aren't ... or why artificially boosting NE isn't bad for me now.
>
> Stimulants are pretty much immune to the natural regulatory processes of feedback inhibition. Supplying extra raw materials doesn't change your body's regulatory ability, it just gives you something to regulate.
>
> > P.S. I don't understand your last sentence at all.
> >
> > -K
>
> Two paragraphs up, I give my opinion on that. Based on a number of assumptions, if central (central nervous system) NE spills out into peripheral circulation, due to the effects of the green tea catechins on COMT (inhibition), then it has the effect of mimicking adrenal output. Peripheral COMT inhibition would further extend that artificial NE "signal", by increasing the peripheral half-life, too.
>
> Lar
Sounds like really good stuff to me. I definitely want to try it.Kara
Posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 17:17:28
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline, posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 3:19:05
I hate the taste of green tea too. It tastes like mould to me. I love Yogi Kombuchea Mushroom/ Green Tea and lemon though it's really good and definitely clears my head and boosts my mood, it's expensive tho.'
And I'm sure you know this already but there's always green tea powder capsules. I buy it in bulk at the healthfood store and put it in gelatine capsules myself because it's a lot cheaper than buying them ready made.
Posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 19:10:22
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » KaraS, posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 17:17:28
> I hate the taste of green tea too. It tastes like mould to me. I love Yogi Kombuchea Mushroom/ Green Tea and lemon though it's really good and definitely clears my head and boosts my mood, it's expensive tho.'
> And I'm sure you know this already but there's always green tea powder capsules. I buy it in bulk at the healthfood store and put it in gelatine capsules myself because it's a lot cheaper than buying them ready made.
Unfortunately, I've never tried a tea that I like. There are some that I can tolerate however. As for taking it in powder form, how much do you take? Did you notice a huge difference from it or is it subtle?
Posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 19:48:34
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » gabbix2, posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 19:10:22
> Unfortunately, I've never tried a tea that I like. There are some that I can tolerate however. As for taking it in powder form, how much do you take? Did you notice a huge difference from it or is it subtle?
I take about 3 capsules 2 or 3 times a day.
The effect on my mood is more subtle and difficult to attribute to the tea because of my other medications, but it definitely improves my ability to think clearly.
I can't say for sure if it's not simply the caffeine having that effect, though it feels different to me than coffee or black tea. If I take too much it just makes me anxious so I have to be careful. I think it's worth a try, it's good for you at any rate.
>
>
Posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 20:28:24
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » KaraS, posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 19:48:34
> > Unfortunately, I've never tried a tea that I like. There are some that I can tolerate however. As for taking it in powder form, how much do you take? Did you notice a huge difference from it or is it subtle?
>
> I take about 3 capsules 2 or 3 times a day.
> The effect on my mood is more subtle and difficult to attribute to the tea because of my other medications, but it definitely improves my ability to think clearly.
> I can't say for sure if it's not simply the caffeine having that effect, though it feels different to me than coffee or black tea. If I take too much it just makes me anxious so I have to be careful. I think it's worth a try, it's good for you at any rate.
>
> >
> >
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>Have you ever tried the decaf powder to see how much of the effects are attributable to caffeine?
Posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 22:58:42
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » gabbix2, posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 20:28:24
> Have you ever tried the decaf powder to see how much of the effects are attributable to caffeine?
No, I couldn't find decaf powder in bulk, and I don't like the taste enough to drink that large an amount of decaf tea.. yuk.
Posted by KaraS on August 22, 2004, at 3:01:20
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline, posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 22:58:42
> > Have you ever tried the decaf powder to see how much of the effects are attributable to caffeine?
>
> No, I couldn't find decaf powder in bulk, and I don't like the taste enough to drink that large an amount of decaf tea.. yuk.
>I was just checking out a site that you know who recommended (Beyond A Century). They sell green tea extract in bulk with various levels of caffeine. There's one on the page that only has one percent caffeine for a large dosage of green tea. Here's the link if you're interested:
Posted by gabbix2 on August 22, 2004, at 18:51:25
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » gabbix2, posted by KaraS on August 22, 2004, at 3:01:20
>
> I was just checking out a site that you know who recommended
Who? Simus? :DThanks so much! Now if someone would just send me a little credit card..
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 8:41:39
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » gabbix2, posted by KaraS on August 22, 2004, at 3:01:20
> > > Have you ever tried the decaf powder to see how much of the effects are attributable to caffeine?
> >
> > No, I couldn't find decaf powder in bulk, and I don't like the taste enough to drink that large an amount of decaf tea.. yuk.
> >
>
> I was just checking out a site that you know who recommended (Beyond A Century). They sell green tea extract in bulk with various levels of caffeine. There's one on the page that only has one percent caffeine for a large dosage of green tea. Here's the link if you're interested:
>
> https://www2.acadia.net/cgi-bin/BAC/web_store.cgi
>They don't ship to Canada at the present time.
Lar
Posted by Mistermindmasta on August 28, 2004, at 10:43:06
In reply to Re: Green tea catechins and noradrenaline » KaraS, posted by gabbix2 on August 22, 2004, at 18:51:25
I personally feel that green tea is most definitely in a class of its own as far as caffeine containing products go, and I mean that in a good way. Coffee just doesn't do it for me... I feel great and energized for 3 hours then the energy drops off and I have heart palpitations, brain fog, I'm worn out and all that standard nonsense.
If I have a cup of coffee (which is about 70 - 110 mg of caffeine) versus 3 bags of green tea in one cup (which is about 80 - 100 mg of caffeine) the energy, motivation and cognition enhancing properties of green tea is MUCH MORE noticable than coffee.
Take note also that I was aware of these effects before I knew about Theanine, EGCG or any other catechins, so I don't believe there could have been any placebo effect at work to tell me that green tea was better than coffee. I always wondered why green tea worked so incredibly smoothly for me, and now that the biochemical aspects of green tea are being worked out, I am finding out why the effects are so strong.
I consider coffee to be more of a "drug", and green tea to be more of a "nootropic", if you see what I'm getting at. I really like green tea and the way it makes me feel. I can drink 10 bags a day and it's all good. 3 cups of coffee, and the effects are sure to leave me feeling crappy.
Posted by KaraS on August 28, 2004, at 15:45:58
In reply to Re: My experiences with green tea, posted by Mistermindmasta on August 28, 2004, at 10:43:06
> I personally feel that green tea is most definitely in a class of its own as far as caffeine containing products go, and I mean that in a good way. Coffee just doesn't do it for me... I feel great and energized for 3 hours then the energy drops off and I have heart palpitations, brain fog, I'm worn out and all that standard nonsense.
>
> If I have a cup of coffee (which is about 70 - 110 mg of caffeine) versus 3 bags of green tea in one cup (which is about 80 - 100 mg of caffeine) the energy, motivation and cognition enhancing properties of green tea is MUCH MORE noticable than coffee.
>
> Take note also that I was aware of these effects before I knew about Theanine, EGCG or any other catechins, so I don't believe there could have been any placebo effect at work to tell me that green tea was better than coffee. I always wondered why green tea worked so incredibly smoothly for me, and now that the biochemical aspects of green tea are being worked out, I am finding out why the effects are so strong.
>
> I consider coffee to be more of a "drug", and green tea to be more of a "nootropic", if you see what I'm getting at. I really like green tea and the way it makes me feel. I can drink 10 bags a day and it's all good. 3 cups of coffee, and the effects are sure to leave me feeling crappy.
Thanks so much for that info, Mistermindmasta!
I hate the taste of green tea (and 3 bags in one cup - triple YUCK!) but I'm definitely going to order the extracts. Have you tried the decaf kind? If so, what effects did that have on you?BTW, what is EGCG? (Ginkgo related?)
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 16:14:11
In reply to Re: My experiences with green tea » Mistermindmasta, posted by KaraS on August 28, 2004, at 15:45:58
> BTW, what is EGCG? (Ginkgo related?)
ECGC is the catechin that blocks COMT. Remember that google search episode we talked about?
Lar
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