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Posted by clairey on January 14, 2004, at 9:05:14
I know with kava kava you have to buy the good stuff for it to work!!
tried normal caps but they are useless
i want something that will make me relaxed, not drowsy, and aware of everything that goes on still. And something to get rid of my anxiety would be good!!
Thanks
Posted by tealady on January 14, 2004, at 19:29:28
In reply to WHAT IS THE BEST KAVA KAVA? THAT WORKS!!, posted by clairey on January 14, 2004, at 9:05:14
> I know with kava kava you have to buy the good stuff for it to work!!
> tried normal caps but they are useless
> i want something that will make me relaxed, not drowsy, and aware of everything that goes on still. And something to get rid of my anxiety would be good!!
> Thanks
Here's a description from talking to someone who has spent some time in the Pacific Islands.
The real Kava..as made by the pacific islanders involves digging up some roots..slashing them to get more than the soaking, then wrapping the roots in cloth(like an old towel) and sticking them in a bucket of water...which becomes muddy as they haven't washed the roots.
Then you just remove the roots and drink. It tastes like grassy mud and poison mixed together I'm told. Basically yuk! so you don't drink it for the taste or refreshment..as in beer. I know I've tried it many years ago in the Sth Pacific too, but only a sip to be polite like, and yes it tasted yuk.
It begins by kinda numbing your lips and tongue immediately, and the more you drink the more of your tongue gets kinda numb. The yuk flavour absorbs into your tongue and you can't get rid of it.
Its best taken just near bedtime as when you wake up in the morning there is no hangover effects at all..but if you drink it earlier, about a couple of hours after drinking it you feel "wierd" as you go thru a letdown. Bad feeling was the best description I could get.
The natives seem to only drink it near bedtime. It does relax you, but doesn't make you noticeably drowsy, perhaps a little.
Basically they drink it as the local beer tastes even worse I gather ..and the imported beer is way out of the price range.
I heard they tried to encourage the aborigines at Arnhem Land to drink Kava instead of beer (all the natives of the Sth Pacific and aborigines in Oz appear to not tolerate beer...no ability to be able to tell when to stop and very angry drunks)...but I think they found it increased heart and other medical problems.
From the above, I guess it mustn't be TOO addictive as the natives don't seem to lie around drinking it all day, like say beetle nut gets chewed in NG,...but if they only use in mostly before bed at night..it must mean the letdown during the day is not worth it. Note- they have a sleep for 2 hrs or so in the middle of the day and the natives in St Pacific don't seem to drink kava then. Perhaps its good if you have night time anxiety? or problems relaxing to get to sleep? I'll probably give it a go myself in a couple of months..if I can stand the taste enough.
OK, here's a link to the Arnhem Land stuff
http://www.pacificislands.cc/pm102003/pmdefault.php?urlarticleid=0026
looks like it can be addictive.
Jan
Posted by Jai Narayan on January 14, 2004, at 20:47:33
In reply to the real Kava » clairey, posted by tealady on January 14, 2004, at 19:29:28
My favorite Kava is by Gaia. It's liquid in caps.
Posted by clairey on January 15, 2004, at 4:07:23
In reply to Gaia, posted by Jai Narayan on January 14, 2004, at 20:47:33
> My favorite Kava is by Gaia. It's liquid in caps.
do you know where to get it from? does it actually work noticably? and can you take it in the daytime with no drowsiness?
thanks alot
Posted by clairey on January 15, 2004, at 4:11:37
In reply to the real Kava » clairey, posted by tealady on January 14, 2004, at 19:29:28
> > I know with kava kava you have to buy the good stuff for it to work!!
> > tried normal caps but they are useless
> > i want something that will make me relaxed, not drowsy, and aware of everything that goes on still. And something to get rid of my anxiety would be good!!
> > Thanks
> Here's a description from talking to someone who has spent some time in the Pacific Islands.
> The real Kava..as made by the pacific islanders involves digging up some roots..slashing them to get more than the soaking, then wrapping the roots in cloth(like an old towel) and sticking them in a bucket of water...which becomes muddy as they haven't washed the roots.
> Then you just remove the roots and drink. It tastes like grassy mud and poison mixed together I'm told. Basically yuk! so you don't drink it for the taste or refreshment..as in beer. I know I've tried it many years ago in the Sth Pacific too, but only a sip to be polite like, and yes it tasted yuk.
> It begins by kinda numbing your lips and tongue immediately, and the more you drink the more of your tongue gets kinda numb. The yuk flavour absorbs into your tongue and you can't get rid of it.
> Its best taken just near bedtime as when you wake up in the morning there is no hangover effects at all..but if you drink it earlier, about a couple of hours after drinking it you feel "wierd" as you go thru a letdown. Bad feeling was the best description I could get.
> The natives seem to only drink it near bedtime. It does relax you, but doesn't make you noticeably drowsy, perhaps a little.
> Basically they drink it as the local beer tastes even worse I gather ..and the imported beer is way out of the price range.
> I heard they tried to encourage the aborigines at Arnhem Land to drink Kava instead of beer (all the natives of the Sth Pacific and aborigines in Oz appear to not tolerate beer...no ability to be able to tell when to stop and very angry drunks)...but I think they found it increased heart and other medical problems.
> From the above, I guess it mustn't be TOO addictive as the natives don't seem to lie around drinking it all day, like say beetle nut gets chewed in NG,...but if they only use in mostly before bed at night..it must mean the letdown during the day is not worth it. Note- they have a sleep for 2 hrs or so in the middle of the day and the natives in St Pacific don't seem to drink kava then. Perhaps its good if you have night time anxiety? or problems relaxing to get to sleep? I'll probably give it a go myself in a couple of months..if I can stand the taste enough.
> OK, here's a link to the Arnhem Land stuff
> http://www.pacificislands.cc/pm102003/pmdefault.php?urlarticleid=0026
> looks like it can be addictive.
> Jan
>Thanks for that, sounds scary!! suppose if you have a little bit it wont harm you. Bit like weed i suppose and thats easy to smoke in the daytime, but addictive! oh well
thanks
Posted by Jai Narayan on January 15, 2004, at 8:49:02
In reply to Re: Gaia, posted by clairey on January 15, 2004, at 4:07:23
> > My favorite Kava is by Gaia. It's liquid in caps.
> do you know where to get it from?
<health food store, call your nearest one to check that they have it in stock.
>does it actually work noticably?
<I use it to take the edge off seeing the dentist.
>and can you take it in the daytime with no drowsiness?
<I have never felt tired just relaxed.
Posted by clairey on January 15, 2004, at 8:57:55
In reply to health food stores, posted by Jai Narayan on January 15, 2004, at 8:49:02
> > > My favorite Kava is by Gaia. It's liquid in caps.
>
> > do you know where to get it from?
>
> <health food store, call your nearest one to check that they have it in stock.
>
> >does it actually work noticably?
>
> <I use it to take the edge off seeing the dentist.
>
> >and can you take it in the daytime with no drowsiness?
>
> <I have never felt tired just relaxed.
>
>
>Thanks, i live in the Uk so its not legal here (nothing is in this stupid country). I buy it from the net.
Posted by TheOutsider on January 15, 2004, at 9:00:23
In reply to health food stores, posted by Jai Narayan on January 15, 2004, at 8:49:02
Be carefull when buying Kava, theres a lot of crap products out there as I found to my cost!
There are a lot of places selling raw Kava root on the internet, but the quality of them is mostly very poor.
I finaly found a place that really sells high quality Kava root. Type 'kava for your health' into google and you should find this place that sells high quality kava at reasonable prices.
Extraction is still a problem though.
Don't use hot water because it destroyes Kava tones, the active ingriedient.
Posted by john1022 on January 15, 2004, at 18:04:16
In reply to Re: health food stores, posted by TheOutsider on January 15, 2004, at 9:00:23
Ames San Vie posted a really good Kava reciepe a few months ago. Try doing a search for it. He say by far the best kava is a brand that you order from Hawaii. Unfortunately I don't remeber the name of the company. Maybe try a search or make a post asking him directly. He said not to substitute any kind of other kava for this particular kind
Posted by clairey on January 16, 2004, at 2:24:11
In reply to Re: health food stores, posted by john1022 on January 15, 2004, at 18:04:16
> Ames San Vie posted a really good Kava reciepe a few months ago. Try doing a search for it. He say by far the best kava is a brand that you order from Hawaii. Unfortunately I don't remeber the name of the company. Maybe try a search or make a post asking him directly. He said not to substitute any kind of other kava for this particular kind
THANKS!! I got some from a good site, i read about it on www.remedyfind.com (u might want to look there its a good site, people write all their views on drugs/supplements and all). Someone reccomended this stuff!!
My dad ordered it as he likes the odd smoke in the evening to wind down!! but he thought this might be good to!
Posted by john1022 on January 16, 2004, at 13:30:57
In reply to Re: health food stores » john1022, posted by clairey on January 16, 2004, at 2:24:11
"My dad ordered it as he likes the odd smoke in the evening to wind down!!"
mmmm I have loved the odd smoke (if what I think you are referring to), but unfortunately I gave it up recently for a while to see if it has any affect on my condition getting better. I have had one doctor tell me that I smoke because it is my personal way of self medicating for depression. Sure worked like a charm up until recently :)
Posted by clairey on January 16, 2004, at 13:37:16
In reply to Re: health food stores, posted by john1022 on January 16, 2004, at 13:30:57
> "My dad ordered it as he likes the odd smoke in the evening to wind down!!"
>
> mmmm I have loved the odd smoke (if what I think you are referring to), but unfortunately I gave it up recently for a while to see if it has any affect on my condition getting better. I have had one doctor tell me that I smoke because it is my personal way of self medicating for depression. Sure worked like a charm up until recently :)
Yep i was referring to the odd smoke!! ha ha. Think kava would be a good alternative to the other, as you cant allways get hold of the stuff straight away (as they dont tend to sell it in shops!! damn ha ha) but kava may fill the gap if its any good.
Mabie you should try kava instead? :)
Posted by Jai Narayan on January 16, 2004, at 16:17:07
In reply to Re: health food stores » john1022, posted by clairey on January 16, 2004, at 13:37:16
> > mmmm I have loved the odd smoke (if what I think you are referring to), but unfortunately I gave it up recently for a while to see if it has any affect on my condition getting better. I have had one doctor tell me that I smoke because it is my personal way of self medicating for depression. Sure worked like a charm up until recently :)
<dear sweet person I totally support you in taking care of yourself.
Think kava would be a good alternative to the other, as you cant allways get hold of the stuff straight away (as they dont tend to sell it in shops!! damn ha ha) but kava may fill the gap if its any good.
> Mabie you should try kava instead? :)
< have found kava to be amazing but if you are a depressed person.....my partner has found help in Wellbutrin.
I hope you can find your way in this path towards what you need.
Posted by john1022 on January 16, 2004, at 18:09:13
In reply to Re: health food stores, posted by Jai Narayan on January 16, 2004, at 16:17:07
"dear sweet person I totally support you in taking care of yourself.
Think kava would be a good alternative to the other, as you cant allways get hold of the stuff straight away (as they dont tend to sell it in shops!! damn ha ha) but kava may fill the gap if its any good.
> Mabie you should try kava instead? :)
< have found kava to be amazing but if you are a depressed person.....my partner has found help in Wellbutrin.
I hope you can find your way in this path towards what you need."
Thanks for the encouragement. I think I will try Kava as it might help with my sleep problems. I think marijuana serves dual purposes as an antidepressant for some (me for many many years) but can also work as a depressant at the same time (if that makes any sense). I always enjoyed it more than alcohol for some reason, but I have been giving it a break for the first time in 10 years to see if it has any benefical effect on my condition.
Posted by clairey on January 17, 2004, at 2:22:18
In reply to Re: health food stores, posted by john1022 on January 16, 2004, at 18:09:13
> "dear sweet person I totally support you in taking care of yourself.
> Think kava would be a good alternative to the other, as you cant allways get hold of the stuff straight away (as they dont tend to sell it in shops!! damn ha ha) but kava may fill the gap if its any good.
> > Mabie you should try kava instead? :)
> < have found kava to be amazing but if you are a depressed person.....my partner has found help in Wellbutrin.
> I hope you can find your way in this path towards what you need."
>
>
> Thanks for the encouragement. I think I will try Kava as it might help with my sleep problems. I think marijuana serves dual purposes as an antidepressant for some (me for many many years) but can also work as a depressant at the same time (if that makes any sense). I always enjoyed it more than alcohol for some reason, but I have been giving it a break for the first time in 10 years to see if it has any benefical effect on my condition.It does relax you though dosnt it!! i allways enjoyed it more when i had been drinking!! whereas many cant do the both at once as they 'whitey' (ya know mess up and be sick) just makes me giggle like a mad women!! i have given up on all the drugs i used to take (not good 4 me) but weed is something that has benefits i think!! unlike the others.
http://www.konakavafarm.com/price.html
Try this kava! i have just ordered some and i was recommended this one, as its from hawaii.
Good luck hope you feel better soon! :)
Posted by Jai Narayan on January 30, 2004, at 17:31:45
In reply to WHAT IS THE BEST KAVA KAVA? THAT WORKS!!, posted by clairey on January 14, 2004, at 9:05:14
MY FAVORITE IS GAIA KAVA IN A LIQIUID CAPSULE. THE COMPANY IS GAIA.
Posted by clairey on January 31, 2004, at 8:51:43
In reply to Re: WHAT IS THE BEST KAVA KAVA? THAT WORKS!!, posted by Jai Narayan on January 30, 2004, at 17:31:45
> MY FAVORITE IS GAIA KAVA IN A LIQIUID CAPSULE. THE COMPANY IS GAIA.
Thanks, a few people have said that actually! do you mean the liquid phyto caps (as they call them).
I have tried a few types and they arent too good, but do you actually notice a relaxing effect with these? like no placebo.
Thanks
Posted by matthhhh on January 31, 2004, at 14:12:36
In reply to health food stores, posted by Jai Narayan on January 15, 2004, at 8:49:02
The best kava that I have tried is the www.konakavafarm.com the mahakea kava- its pretty amazing!! Ive tried the stuff in the health food stores with zero effect. The only problem with the mahakea kava from hawaii is that it is really expensive- i think its only good for a few servings. It says you are supposed to mix approx 1 cup of kava with 4 cups of water, which makes only like 2 drinks- and theres only a few cups in the bag.
Does anyone know if there is any cheaper kava? Maybe the stuff from Giai site? thanks!
Posted by clairey on January 31, 2004, at 15:09:01
In reply to Re: health food stores, posted by matthhhh on January 31, 2004, at 14:12:36
> The best kava that I have tried is the www.konakavafarm.com the mahakea kava- its pretty amazing!! Ive tried the stuff in the health food stores with zero effect. The only problem with the mahakea kava from hawaii is that it is really expensive- i think its only good for a few servings. It says you are supposed to mix approx 1 cup of kava with 4 cups of water, which makes only like 2 drinks- and theres only a few cups in the bag.
> Does anyone know if there is any cheaper kava? Maybe the stuff from Giai site? thanks!Yeah i ordered some from there 2 weeks ago! havent got it yet. Mabie as i live in the UK.
http://www.kava-for-health.com/
Try that place! they have loads of different types and its cheap too!! it looks fab!! and i was recommeded it! may try and order some off there too.How did u feel on the kava from that site then?
Posted by Jai Narayan on February 1, 2004, at 21:23:02
In reply to Re: WHAT IS THE BEST KAVA KAVA? THAT WORKS!! » Jai Narayan, posted by clairey on January 31, 2004, at 8:51:43
> Thanks, a few people have said that actually! do you mean the liquid phyto caps (as they call them).
*Yes that is what I mean. I have tried a few as well but this is the best I have found so far. Can you get them where you live? I know it's hard in England...
Posted by clairey on February 2, 2004, at 4:40:25
In reply to Re: WHAT IS THE BEST KAVA KAVA? THAT WORKS!!, posted by Jai Narayan on February 1, 2004, at 21:23:02
> > Thanks, a few people have said that actually! do you mean the liquid phyto caps (as they call them).
>
> *Yes that is what I mean. I have tried a few as well but this is the best I have found so far. Can you get them where you live? I know it's hard in England...
>
>I cant get them anywhere in england! i just try my luck at getting them in the US, hopefully they will get to my door! :)
Posted by matthhhh on February 6, 2004, at 13:39:05
In reply to Re: WHAT IS THE BEST KAVA KAVA? THAT WORKS!! » Jai Narayan, posted by clairey on February 2, 2004, at 4:40:25
Does anyone know if you can take kava kava with SSRIs like prozac? thanks!
Posted by clairey on February 7, 2004, at 9:41:41
In reply to Re: kava and ssri's?, posted by matthhhh on February 6, 2004, at 13:39:05
> Does anyone know if you can take kava kava with SSRIs like prozac? thanks!
It wont matter brain wise (if you get wgat i mean there) but they dont reccomend it as it can be harsher on the liver.
Kava with something like tryptophan, 5htp, inositol would be ok
Posted by poochi on February 13, 2004, at 20:54:59
In reply to Re: kava and ssri's? » matthhhh, posted by clairey on February 7, 2004, at 9:41:41
What about kava and Effexor XR? Has anyone tried that? I'm cutting back on the effexor, and am a little anxious, don't want to make it worse by worrying if taking something while still on a lose dose would do more harm than good. I'd like to have a cup of kava tea in the evening before bed. Think I'd live?
thanx
Posted by clairey on February 14, 2004, at 4:50:09
In reply to Re: kava and ssri's?, posted by poochi on February 13, 2004, at 20:54:59
> What about kava and Effexor XR? Has anyone tried that? I'm cutting back on the effexor, and am a little anxious, don't want to make it worse by worrying if taking something while still on a lose dose would do more harm than good. I'd like to have a cup of kava tea in the evening before bed. Think I'd live?
> thanx
Yeah you would be fine!! i mean effexor isnt a benzo so should be cool! go for it if you are feeling bad :)
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