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Posted by zenhussy on December 17, 2003, at 3:05:45
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs, posted by taylor18 on December 17, 2003, at 2:37:26
> Do you remember if that supplement, Melissa Supreme, helped with anxiety relief and insomnia as well?
I never personally took that particular formula. Based on what I know of the science behind the company (I'm big on standardized herbals that are accountable to scientific standards and qc http://www.gaiaherbs.com/page4.htm ) and having used about 40-50 different products of theirs over the past 13 years I like the consistant quality of their herbs. Just my opinion and experience from years of medicinal herbal usage, growing, self made preperations and studies.
My experience with lemon balm and german chamomile for anxiety has been using them in the form of high quality essential oils. They've been very helpful in times of excessive anxiety in addition to my current medications and other therapies I use to stay upright.
Most essential oils should NOT BE USED INTERNALLY!!!! I do not recommend anyone use essential oils if they do not have an extensive understanding of chemisty, for the damage that can be done with the potency of essential oils is severe. Used safely they are a wonderful adjunct to many therapies. Being so potent they often cause allergic reactions in many. Know what you're doing before trying this type of thing.
Lots of good sources out there about using essential oils in many ways for mood therapy.
But back to your question---no, haven't personally used the Gaia Melissa Supreme.
As for insomnia, first try to describe the type of insomnia you're having. Trouble falling asleep? Racing mind? Trouble staying asleep? Frequent waking throughout the night? Waking early and not being able to fall back asleep?
Lots of types of insomnia. Lots of suggestions for relief. Easier to suggest when more information is available.
zh
Posted by Jai Narayan on December 17, 2003, at 8:44:03
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs, posted by zenhussy on December 17, 2003, at 1:55:32
I am on the retail end of the herbs. My favorite Kava is by Gaia. They make a Kava liquid in a cap.
My understanding about the pulling of Kava....insurance companies are saying they will not cover Kava in their policy....some of the vitamin/herb companies are owned by multiple owners, who make the safest decision for their company. They don't want to buck the insurance companies. I am very sad about that and hope we can hang onto Kava. I find it works like nothing else for me when I have to go to the dentist. Kava stops all that anxiety.
I guess my rant would be....Viagra kills KILLS men. The FDA know's that for a fact. But are they pulling or not insuring Viagra????
I am so unhappy with the FDA and their constant threatening vitamins and herbs. IMHO
Posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 10:13:37
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs, posted by taylor18 on December 17, 2003, at 2:37:26
Melissa is another name for Lemon Balm, it would help with isomnia/anxiety. As for the other products mentioned they'd be excellent for depression, but not necessarily for anxiety or more specifically Xanax withdrawal
Gotu Kola, and Ginseng are both stimulants; I use them both regularly for depression but they are the first thing to go if I'm feeling particularly anxious.
Everyone is different of course, but you had mentioned that you didn't want to try anything experimental.
Posted by zenhussy on December 17, 2003, at 10:20:34
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs, posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 10:13:37
Posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 10:35:58
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs ^^ kava, posted by Jai Narayan on December 17, 2003, at 8:44:03
You put that so very mildly, "I'm so unhappy with what the F.D.A is doing" ;)
I'm afraid I can't be nearly as kind about it.
Grrrrrrr
Posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 10:46:18
In reply to Re: Siberian Ginseng is NOT a stimulant (nm) » gabbix2, posted by zenhussy on December 17, 2003, at 10:20:34
I wasn't referring to what you'd mentioned specifically I was referring to depression combinations as opposed to anxiety combinations. It can get really complicated, getting into Siberian Korean, Red Ginseng,et al and which blood types should actually be taking which type, according to which philosphy you follow. Its also confusing because some anxiety as I know you know can be lifted by stimulants.. mine has been but I was simply generalizing because she'd mentioned that she didn't want anything experimental thats all. Trying to keep it simple for this thread only cause it can get awfully confusing.
Posted by zenhussy on December 17, 2003, at 11:12:39
In reply to No Siberian Ginseng Isn't. » zenhussy, posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 10:46:18
Yeah I wasn't really up to having the adaptogenic herbs versus stimulant herbs conversation either.
But it is dangerous to lump all ginsengs together when they have vastly different properties.
Just wanted to state that siberian ginseng (eleutherococcus senticosus) is considered an adaptogen.
I hear you on the simplification though.
zh
Posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 11:13:06
In reply to No Siberian Ginseng Isn't. » zenhussy, posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 10:46:18
I just realized I couldn't possible know whether you are a man or a woman.
Posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 11:57:57
In reply to Re: No Siberian Ginseng Isn't. » gabbix2, posted by zenhussy on December 17, 2003, at 11:12:39
Siberian "ginseng" isn't technically Ginseng so its not actually lumping them together. Thats why I thought the simplification would be a good idea.
Its getting away from the Xanax help and into a whole other area.. which would require a whole other thread..a board even : )
Posted by clairey on December 17, 2003, at 12:05:53
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs, posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 10:13:37
> Melissa is another name for Lemon Balm, it would help with isomnia/anxiety. As for the other products mentioned they'd be excellent for depression, but not necessarily for anxiety or more specifically Xanax withdrawal
> MELLISSA LEAF IS SO MILD FOR ANXIETY MANY DO NOT NOTICE ANY EFFECT AT ALL.
> Gotu Kola, and Ginseng are both stimulants; I use them both regularly for depression but they are the first thing to go if I'm feeling particularly anxious.
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> Everyone is different of course, but you had mentioned that you didn't want to try anything experimental.
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Posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 12:37:36
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs » gabbix2, posted by clairey on December 17, 2003, at 12:05:53
> > MELLISSA LEAF IS SO MILD FOR ANXIETY MANY DO NOT NOTICE ANY EFFECT AT ALL.
Taylor 18 was asking about Melissa supreme, a Gaia combination tincture. Because Melissa is used for relaxation I assumed this was an anxyiolitic tincture.
True Melissa leaf alone doesn't do to much for many which is why I recommended it with other herbs in my first post.
The synergistic effect especially with passion flower can be quite potent.Though as I'd also mentioned I don't think much aside from perhaps organic Kava Kava is going to offer the relief of a Benzodiazepine
Anyway, I looked up Melissa Supreme and it is for stress/relaxation. And it is in combination with Passion flower among other herbs.
as follows:
Ingredients: Proprietary Blend 120 mg: Extracts from Lemon Balm (Melissa off.), German Chamomile Flowers (Matricaria recutita), Passionflower (Passiflora incarnata), fresh Skullcap Herb (Scutellaria lateriflora), fresh Wild Oat Milky Seed (Avena sativa), Concentrated Glycerite (Centella asiatica), Mineral Salts Extracted from Kelp, and 50-60% pure Vegetable Glycerin.
Posted by clairey on December 17, 2003, at 17:11:14
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs » clairey, posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 12:37:36
> > > MELLISSA LEAF IS SO MILD FOR ANXIETY MANY DO NOT NOTICE ANY EFFECT AT ALL.
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> Taylor 18 was asking about Melissa supreme, a Gaia combination tincture. Because Melissa is used for relaxation I assumed this was an anxyiolitic tincture.
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> True Melissa leaf alone doesn't do to much for many which is why I recommended it with other herbs in my first post.
> The synergistic effect especially with passion flower can be quite potent.
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> Though as I'd also mentioned I don't think much aside from perhaps organic Kava Kava is going to offer the relief of a Benzodiazepine
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> Anyway, I looked up Melissa Supreme and it is for stress/relaxation. And it is in combination with Passion flower among other herbs.
> as follows:
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> Ingredients: Proprietary Blend 120 mg: Extracts from Lemon Balm (Melissa off.), German Chamomile Flowers (Matricaria recutita), Passionflower (Passiflora incarnata), fresh Skullcap Herb (Scutellaria lateriflora), fresh Wild Oat Milky Seed (Avena sativa), Concentrated Glycerite (Centella asiatica), Mineral Salts Extracted from Kelp, and 50-60% pure Vegetable Glycerin.
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> I FIND USING TINTURES IS BEST, BUT THE LITTLE BOTTLES YOU GET WHERE YOU HAVE TO ADD ABOUT 15 DROPS JUST ISNT ENOUGH REALLY. I THINK THE TRANQUILI G MAY BE OF SOME HELP THOUGH
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Posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 18:15:37
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs » gabbix2, posted by clairey on December 17, 2003, at 17:11:14
I FIND USING TINTURES IS BEST, BUT THE LITTLE BOTTLES YOU GET WHERE YOU HAVE TO ADD ABOUT 15 DROPS JUST ISNT ENOUGH REALLY. I THINK THE TRANQUILI G MAY BE OF SOME HELP THOUGH
I like the tinctures too, they work fast, and are more potent than teas as a rule.
I'd missed that you suggested the tranquil G Sorry.
it sounds really good!
Posted by clairey on December 17, 2003, at 18:30:24
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs, posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 18:15:37
> I FIND USING TINTURES IS BEST, BUT THE LITTLE BOTTLES YOU GET WHERE YOU HAVE TO ADD ABOUT 15 DROPS JUST ISNT ENOUGH REALLY. I THINK THE TRANQUILI G MAY BE OF SOME HELP THOUGH
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> I like the tinctures too, they work fast, and are more potent than teas as a rule.
> I'd missed that you suggested the tranquil G Sorry.
> it sounds really good!
>READ UP ON IT, ITS BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA AND IS SAFE SO NO WORRIES
Posted by KellyD on December 17, 2003, at 20:39:13
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs » gabbix2, posted by clairey on December 17, 2003, at 18:30:24
"READ UP ON IT, ITS BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA AND IS SAFE SO NO WORRIES"
What suppliment or alternative substance can make this claim?
Please provide a source to back this up, as I can't find FDA "approval" on anything I take - I usually find a disclaimer.
Kelly
Posted by taylor18 on December 17, 2003, at 21:09:34
In reply to Taylor 18 I just said you were a Woman I'm sorry.., posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 11:13:06
Hehe, 18/m :)
Posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 21:10:32
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs » gabbix2, posted by clairey on December 17, 2003, at 18:30:24
It is approved by the FDA http://www.smartbodyz.com/tranquil-g-text.htm
The FDA approval may be for safety, not for the claims of the product. Thats a personal issue though. Myself I don't have much faith in FDA claims.
Posted by KellyD on December 17, 2003, at 21:30:34
In reply to Tranquil G » clairey, posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 21:10:32
I'm confusing "approval" with "endorsing".
I realize there are important differences and they aren't to be equated.
So - my bad - Sorry.
Kelly
Posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 22:56:44
In reply to Word problems, posted by KellyD on December 17, 2003, at 21:30:34
Problem what problem? Is that flaw?
I often leave important words out entirely
and still expect people to understand what I'm talking about :)
Posted by clairey on December 18, 2003, at 4:43:06
In reply to Re: Gaia Herbs » clairey, posted by KellyD on December 17, 2003, at 20:39:13
> "READ UP ON IT, ITS BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA AND IS SAFE SO NO WORRIES"
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> What suppliment or alternative substance can make this claim?
> Please provide a source to back this up, as I can't find FDA "approval" on anything I take - I usually find a disclaimer.
> KellyREAD UP ON THE TRANQUILI G, IT SAYS IT ALL THERE
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Posted by clairey on December 18, 2003, at 4:45:06
In reply to Tranquil G » clairey, posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 21:10:32
> It is approved by the FDA http://www.smartbodyz.com/tranquil-g-text.htm
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> The FDA approval may be for safety, not for the claims of the product. Thats a personal issue though. Myself I don't have much faith in FDA claims.WELL AT LEAST YOU KNOW ITS SAFE. I DONT REALLY CARE WHAT THEY SAY EITHER BUT THAT PRODUCT IS WORTH A TRY I'D SAY
Posted by KellyD on December 18, 2003, at 5:17:48
In reply to Re: Word problems » KellyD, posted by gabbix2 on December 17, 2003, at 22:56:44
I was referring to asking what suppliment could claim FDA approval as mine always had disclaimers. I was thinking more as FDA endorsement - which I didn't think applied to any suppliment product.
Like you, I don't think approval or endorsement necessarily means alot, really and to me doesn't mean it's safe.
The item in question seems to be approved as a flavoring and food additive. That fact, to me, doesn't mean it's necessarily safe or effective as "advertised". That's just my take. Others can (and will) disagree and find it to be great for them.
Kelly
Posted by gabbix2 on December 18, 2003, at 18:00:55
In reply to Re: Word problems, posted by KellyD on December 18, 2003, at 5:17:48
I agree with you completely on all points.
I was just teasing you when I said
"thats a problem?"
when you didn't differentiate between the two words, because its something I do all the TIME.
Or I'll just leave out words completely and wonder
why what I'm saying makes sense to no one but me..
I just think they should learn to read my mind, it would make life so much easier for everyone! ; )
Sorry about that, of course it didn't come across that way in type
Posted by KellyD on December 18, 2003, at 22:25:32
In reply to Re: Word problems » KellyD, posted by gabbix2 on December 18, 2003, at 18:00:55
[I was just teasing you when I said
"thats a problem?"]I didn't take any offense at all. It is difficult to convey tone thru text and ALOT gets, well, misunderstood.
I read your posts on social and like ya lots... so no problem here.
[I just think they should learn to read my mind, it would make life so much easier for everyone! ; )]I know, I just wish I could get my face to face contacts to do that, but alas, No success !!
Smiles,
Kelly
Posted by gabbix2 on December 19, 2003, at 0:50:59
In reply to Re: Word problems » gabbix2, posted by KellyD on December 18, 2003, at 22:25:32
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